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[Elscotto1989]

Nette wrote...

EVERYBODY, LISTEN UP! YOU REALLY NEED TO READ THIS, RIGHT NOW! : http://social.biowar...10084349-1.html

And STAY AWAY from the"Operation:Goliath" MP this weekend! It's a PR trick! They're trying to shift focus from the rage about the bad endings. Don't let them! show them that there's only one way to calm these raging flames. Hold the line!

                                                                                                                                                                                                   
"Aww. I do pity the people of Bioware. they want to create as good an
experiene as possible, and I can imagine they were looking forward to
surprising the fanbase with this special event. Which I totally
appreciate, so kudos to you, Bioware, in this respet.

I feel for you, I really do. Good of you to do this. For what it's worth, thanks.

EDIT:
OK, deleting the references to the endings of my post, editing things
so that it seems I wholeheartedly support this, while what I actually
said was giving you some support while you are going through all this
talk and backlash, that is less appreciated. I will not allow my posts
to be censored, especially not when I was actually giving you support.

I
did not insult you, or anyone else. I did not use any cursory words, of
any nature. I held to the rules and regulations of this forum. I will
NOT accept my posts being censored."                                                                                         (this was a post found on there operation goliath page on the forums apparently they have begun censoring peoples posts....think the pressure is finally getting to them?)

[WhiteKnyght]

noobcannon wrote...

KujaTheDarkOne2 wrote...

keith123456789 wrote...

All they had to do with Liara have her say something at shepard memorial then before it end it shows her holding a little asari kid hand this is your father commander Shepard savior of the universe...its not that freakin hard bioware/ea story writes itself idiots

I would've loved closure like that. People saying "it's not necessary" and other crap like that can jump in a lake. I wanna see my little blue children, Bioware! *angry tears*

i truly believe the only reason they didn't do that is because he's being indoctrinated and the game isn't really over yet. but i know what you mean. really hope we hear something soon.

Indoctrination doesn't work like that. It's subtle changes in behavior as the Reaper's manipulate conscious choice, and eventually grows stronger until a person is in full support of the Reaper's cause and eventually lose higher brain function, becoming no different than a husk. Look up ME Retribution.

There's no big elaborate dream where they trick you into making a wrong choice to be indoctrinated.

Not to mention the Catalyst's explainations are consistent with Sovereign, Harbinger, the Reaper-Grayson, and the Destroyer's vague reasonings for the Cycle. And it fills in the blanks.

Also Shepard is very likely immue to indoctrination. Either because he's player controlled, very strong-willed, or because fate decided he would break the Cycle, he's always been able to resist the Reapers' influence.

[crazyeye343]

Hardcover wrote...

 I read the first post (Read through over six hundred pages? I'm not afraid to pick up a Tom Clancy novel, but sweet jelly-baby jebas I'd never catch up!) and, honestly, this thread has made me want to replay the single-player campaign, bearing the theories raised and evidence cited in mind. Lookingglassmind's theory about player indoctrination made a scary amount of sense to me (which may just mean I'm just as crazy as he is) and somehow I can totally buy Bioware doing exactly that, then releasing a "Final Battle" DLC in the coming months.

You people have devoted an incredible amount of time and brainsweat in this thread. And as someone who loved the entire trilogy despite it's flaws (Mako, probing, and now the crazy ending), I'm starting to think in terms of taking notes and seeing how much of this stuff I can catch in a new playthrough.

Oh, and if this is what Bioware is doing, well, I think George C. Scott said it best.

This thread has had the same impact on me as well, i now am doing a playthough to see all the evidence play out and man of man does it make the ending so good 

[Elscotto1989]

crazyeye343 wrote...

Hardcover wrote...

 I read the first post (Read through over six hundred pages? I'm not afraid to pick up a Tom Clancy novel, but sweet jelly-baby jebas I'd never catch up!) and, honestly, this thread has made me want to replay the single-player campaign, bearing the theories raised and evidence cited in mind. Lookingglassmind's theory about player indoctrination made a scary amount of sense to me (which may just mean I'm just as crazy as he is) and somehow I can totally buy Bioware doing exactly that, then releasing a "Final Battle" DLC in the coming months.

You people have devoted an incredible amount of time and brainsweat in this thread. And as someone who loved the entire trilogy despite it's flaws (Mako, probing, and now the crazy ending), I'm starting to think in terms of taking notes and seeing how much of this stuff I can catch in a new playthrough.

Oh, and if this is what Bioware is doing, well, I think George C. Scott said it best.

This thread has had the same impact on me as well, i now am doing a playthough to see all the evidence play out and man of man does it make the ending so good 

NOTHING makes the ending good it just gives us hope that all isnt as f'd up as bioware left it.

[arkhine]

I want this to be true, or at least some news that the ending isn't to be taken at face value, so badly!

[Baihu1983]

Baihu1983 wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

MissMaster_2 wrote...

Baihu1983 wrote...

As i asked elsewhere

Doesn't shepard need him omi tool to talk to hacket? cause its not in the final scene which could again show its not real?

Hum...I never noticed that.

he mostly puts his finger on his ear. only time he uses the omni tool for comunications is to tweak settings or find another frequency i guess.

But even then how is he talking to them? He has no ear piece unless they implant it in his head? And surely the signal from hacket goes to his tool?

Can anyone answer that? How can he talk to hacket at that point?

[Totally Not Swaggacide]

Hopefully the theory is true that might explain it

[arkhine]

Baihu1983 wrote...

Can anyone answer that? How can he talk to hacket at that point?

No idea. Been like that since ME1. I used the Kuwaashii Visor in ME2 and ME3 though so my guy puts his fingers to the thing covering his ear. If you use a helmet, it makes sense too. No helmet, no visor, doesn't make much sense.

[Baihu1983]

arkhine wrote...

Baihu1983 wrote...

Can anyone answer that? How can he talk to hacket at that point?

No idea. Been like that since ME1. I used the Kuwaashii Visor in ME2 and ME3 though so my guy puts his fingers to the thing covering his ear. If you use a helmet, it makes sense too. No helmet, no visor, doesn't make much sense.

Apart from the missions the game forces you to wear a helmet i never do but i always thought they atleast recieve the transmissions via the omi tool?

[lex0r11]

Baihu1983 wrote...

arkhine wrote...

Baihu1983 wrote...

Can anyone answer that? How can he talk to hacket at that point?

No idea. Been like that since ME1. I used the Kuwaashii Visor in ME2 and ME3 though so my guy puts his fingers to the thing covering his ear. If you use a helmet, it makes sense too. No helmet, no visor, doesn't make much sense.

Apart from the missions the game forces you to wear a helmet i never do but i always thought they atleast recieve the transmissions via the omi tool?

it's never being  explained really. it just happens and is somehow visually shown

[arkhine]

Baihu1983 wrote...
Apart from the missions the game forces you to wear a helmet i never do but i always thought they atleast recieve the transmissions via the omi tool?

One of those weird things. Sometimes they talk to their omni-tool too. 

[Baihu1983]

Yep which is what has got me confused because i always thought they needed the omi tool for the signal? Which if thats the case Shepard would not have been able to really speak to Hackett.

And his suit seemed totally useless anyways at that point[hell 1 shot from IM kills him if you get the bad outcome to that scene]

[crimsontotem]

can someone make a poll? "who would like indoc theory to be true" and make a thred? so BW know how much this theory can make sense? and actually save the game's face?

[Jobasha]

It seems clear from Casey Hudson's words some hours ago that they had no 'true' final up their sleeves. Therefore Hallucination/indoctrination theory could only be real by retcon.

I really would have loved the indoctrination theory to be true, but I'm not really interested in a retroactive change. I will just consider my money wasted and move on.

[Elscotto1989]

Jobasha wrote...

It seems clear from Casey Hudson's words some hours ago that they had no 'true' final up their sleeves. Therefore Hallucination/indoctrination theory could only be real by retcon.

I really would have loved the indoctrination theory to be true, but I'm not really interested in a retroactive change. I will just consider my money wasted and move on.

im not sure how many other people feel the way i do, but i bought and played the dragon age games to support the company that made the mass effect games that i so loved...now after this whole ending slap to the face and the pr coverups they are trying to pull i can say that IF they do not turn this thing around and clearly we here on this thread have given them the means to do so , thanks in no small part to there shoddy work at the end....this will probably be the last bioware game or even EA game that i buy....if  i spend so much money and countless years supporting a company just to have them turn there back on me the loyal fan that made them what they are today...then i can spend my money elsewhere because obviously my money spent on bioware is just like the ending of mass effect 3....a complete waste...

Modifié par Elscotto1989, 17 mars 2012 - 09:14 .

[CptData]

Jobasha wrote...

It seems clear from Casey Hudson's words some hours ago that they had no 'true' final up their sleeves. Therefore Hallucination/indoctrination theory could only be real by retcon.

I really would have loved the indoctrination theory to be true, but I'm not really interested in a retroactive change. I will just consider my money wasted and move on.

Not really.
The indoctrination theory is pretty much intact, although it also might right BW had no real idea how to finish the series. However, if the indoctrination theory -IS- right, they "simply" could fix the endings - by adding something AFTER Shepard's internal struggle.

In best case, the Crucible/Citadel fired without Shepard's influence. It destroyed the Reapers, but left everything else intact. The war is over - and Shepard had to fight a battle in his mind, to stay alive.

OR in another case, Shepard still has to enter the Crucible/Citadel and fight through all waves of enemies with his/her squad. In the end, there's a console ... with just one button. Nothing else. That button unleashes the energy of the C/C and ends the nightmare. Especially since the C/C -IS- already there, BW doesn't need to do an asspull and add another DEM. It's there, no one knows how it works, so why shouldn't it do the trick by just pushing a single button? No final decision here - Shepard's way always was the one that ended the Reapers.

It's that simple.
The "endings" we have now are no real endings. They simply can be interpreted as such, if needed, but also could interpreted as Shepard's internal fight in a dream sequence. BW has both ways open - the Devs should use that opportunity. Or someone else will ^^


BTW: Just saw a poll on FB: 90% ME players dislike the current endings ...
I dislike them too, because if the indoctrination/dream theory is right, then they're no endings at all.

Modifié par CptData, 17 mars 2012 - 09:18 .

[AdmiralsJack]

are there any news since last evening?

[lex0r11]

just copypaste from another user.

baronkohinar wrote...

TODAY'S NEWS FOR EVERYONE JUST CHECKING IN:

Casey Hudson's latest statement here:
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/324/index/10089946

BioWare's New Resulting Feedback Thread here:
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10098213/1

New User-Created Poll For Feedback:
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10071250

MUST READ: Expert Analysis of BioWare's PR Strategy:
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10084349/1

Modifié par lex0r11, 17 mars 2012 - 09:46 .

[Erenbe]

I really love the indoctrination theory....and the hope that it gives for getting an additional part of the game at the end....but I am so afraid that it is not true and we are left with a crappy ending full of plot holes

[arkhine]

AdmiralsJack wrote...

are there any news since last evening?

Besides the Final Hours app being hope-crushing, no. I wonder if that app is the reason they wanted to delay talking about the endings?

[Tibiilicious]

Casey Hudson's latest statement kinda says it all, they weren't planning having this kind of backlash on the ending at all, they weren't planning to have shepard indoctrinated at all. Heck now they might actually do it since Jessica Merzan (sorry if i misspelled it wrong!) opened her feedback topic about the ending so they can actually do something about it. All in all, i have to say, i'm quite disappointed in Bioware.

[AdmiralsJack]

arkhine wrote...

AdmiralsJack wrote...

are there any news since last evening?

Besides the Final Hours app being hope-crushing, no. I wonder if that app is the reason they wanted to delay talking about the endings?

dont give up hope we will hold the line against space magic

[CptData]

Tibiilicious wrote...

Casey Hudson's latest statement kinda says it all, they weren't planning having this kind of backlash on the ending at all, they weren't planning to have shepard indoctrinated at all. Heck now they might actually do it since Jessica Merzan (sorry if i misspelled it wrong!) opened her feedback topic about the ending so they can actually do something about it. All in all, i have to say, i'm quite disappointed in Bioware.

It doesn't matter what they did and what not. Fact: Shepard's final moments in the game feel so detached from the rest of the game, BW easly could declare them being part of a hallucination of a dying Shepard that ONLY survives with sufficient EMS and the Destruction Ending.

This, can be done with just one line:

"You're right, Shepard is hallucinating after getting hit by the beam and the entire finale happens just in his/her mind."

That's it. Especially since the theory is quite accepted by a large part of the fandom or at least supported.

And once BW declares the final moments being a hallucination, it shouldn't be too difficult to create a "real" ending.

[AdmiralsJack]

CptData wrote...

Tibiilicious wrote...

Casey Hudson's latest statement kinda says it all, they weren't planning having this kind of backlash on the ending at all, they weren't planning to have shepard indoctrinated at all. Heck now they might actually do it since Jessica Merzan (sorry if i misspelled it wrong!) opened her feedback topic about the ending so they can actually do something about it. All in all, i have to say, i'm quite disappointed in Bioware.

It doesn't matter what they did and what not. Fact: Shepard's final moments in the game feel so detached from the rest of the game, BW easly could declare them being part of a hallucination of a dying Shepard that ONLY survives with sufficient EMS and the Destruction Ending.

This, can be done with just one line:

"You're right, Shepard is hallucinating after getting hit by the beam and the entire finale happens just in his/her mind."

That's it. Especially since the theory is quite accepted by a large part of the fandom or at least supported.

And once BW declares the final moments being a hallucination, it shouldn't be too difficult to create a "real" ending.

I must agree and I hope they are doing this but if not I'm writing my own ending now based on our theory to be able to play the games again because I could with this crap and space magic...

Hold the line!

[Flapperrr]

All greetings! From latest developments I have understood that now the most important thing - to hold positions that we all the same could receive that we want.