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[DarthSyphilis59]

Whatever happens, I want to emphasize that using the
endoctrination theory, whether intentional or unintentional, is really
the best means of delivering change. It fits the canon of mass effect and is consistent with what the reapers are trying to accomplish. If shepard (in his mind)
chooses NOT to fall into the traps of believing he can control the
reapers (what illusive man wanted), or synthesize organics and machines
(what saren wanted), he could "hold the line" by realizing "I've come to
far. I can't just let the reapers win. I must destroy them." Shepard
wakes up in the rubble from Harbinger's blast, maybe a STG/krogan/turian
squad pulls him out gives him medigel patches him up and gets him ready
to finish the fight. He would still be hurt but able to command.
Squad(s) comes with shepard throught the conduit and help secure the
citadel. They open its arms so the crucible can dock. The real purpose
of the crucible is still unknown. Tali being a tech expert could be sent
with some others to help get it working. While Tali works on
interfacing crucible with catalyst (citadel) shepard is picked up by the
normandy to direct space forces to help protect the crucible. "Cut the
head off the snake and the body dies"-Eventually you have to take on
the leader of the Reapers (Harbinger) in order to have a chance at
scattering the remaining reaper forces. Huge choices can be made here
that will have impact on the outcome of the war. Concentrating all fire
power on Harbinger could result in devastating losses, but could be a
big push in winning the war. (Amount of war assets would play a role in
outcome). Harbinger really needs to have a bigger role in the showdown.
Show more
of the epic spacefight between reapers and your war assets (STG, rachni,

geth, turians, quarians, etc.). Finally the crucible is online and is
used to help in weakening the reaper fleet (how? that choice is open for
debate). More war assets=greater chance of
success. Low war assets=Reapers destroy fleet, medium assets=reapers
numbers are cut down and are forced to return to dark space, high
assets=Reaper fleet being destroyed. Please make the final battle show
more of the fleet fighting with the reapers. The opening scenes to the
space fight were amazing; build on that if possible. This is a huge
opportunity for mass effect to be enshrined as the greatest story ever
told.

[CptData]

AdmiralsJack wrote...

*snip*

I must agree and I hope they are doing this but if not I'm writing my own ending now based on our theory to be able to play the games again because I could with this crap and space magic...

Hold the line!

As always.

Seriously: BW isn't stupid. The Devs might never have seen it like we do since they have, of course, far more information than we have. That doesn't change the game's finale feels odd, detached and surreal compared against the rest of ME3 and the entire series.

Now while we're playing with that issue and make up theories, BW could do this too, right in this very moment. Wouldn't be too surprised if some of the devs is reading this thread - or maybe this one too - and creating a DLC that's based on that theory. In that case, they don't even need to kill the current "endings" - they're just no longer "endings" but display the fight between Shepard's mind and indoctrination. A really beautiful idea ... and one that shows us how badly broken Shepard truly is.

Why not? It happened before, I can't see why it shouldn't happen again. However, I wouldn't count on a DLC before end of the year tbh, since a lot of stuff needs to be added.

I hope we can hold the line as long as it takes to convince BW to create that Ending-DLC and admit we're right ...

Modifié par CptData, 17 mars 2012 - 10:19 .

[DangerSandler]

Well whatever happens really, I'm proud to have took part of the "Hold the Line" movement. I've never really seen the gaming community ban together against something so passionately before. It's pretty incredible to be honest.

[Reptilian Rob]

DangerSandler wrote...

Well whatever happens really, I'm proud to have took part of the "Hold the Line" movement. I've never really seen the gaming community ban together against something so passionately before. It's pretty incredible to be honest.

Yeah it is, I hope it was for something though...

[CptData]

DangerSandler wrote...

Well whatever happens really, I'm proud to have took part of the "Hold the Line" movement. I've never really seen the gaming community ban together against something so passionately before. It's pretty incredible to be honest.

Pretty much. It's incredible the normally divided fandom (Liara-fans, Tali-fans, Garrus-fans, Ashley-fans, Cerberus-fans, ...) finally fight for the same cause: convincing BW to change the endings / create real endings.

[Legion109]

Beast919 wrote...

k8ee wrote...

I liked vega, but not as my Shep replacement... that would have been... upsetting.
.

Oh but can't you IMAGINE!  All game, Vega keeps an open radio to Cortez (one of the few other survivors) and they continously banter back and forth every time anyone opens their mouth!  Oh the possibilities. 

They could even make it an entire sequel to the game, rather than just a DLC.  

Have Vega wake up in the rubble, verge of death, but neverfear, Cerberus is here, and they Lazarus his ass up real good.  So he becomes the Sheperd 2.0.....2.0!

And they can call it....

Mass Effect 3 : New Vega

This is beyond epicness you got my vote.

.....

[Legion109]

I can't quote worth sh*t...... Anyway seriously, hope so much hope must resist don't want to be letdown.

[FrostByte-GER]

Hey guys, some new crazy tweets from BioWare or any news?

[arkhine]

DangerSandler wrote...

Well whatever happens really, I'm proud to have took part of the "Hold the Line" movement. I've never really seen the gaming community ban together against something so passionately before. It's pretty incredible to be honest.

The next game company to mess things up knows what's going to be coming. A boot up their ass, to quote Shepard in ME1! I have a feeling Ubisoft might get the boot if they screw up Assassin's Creed 3.

[arkhine]

CptData wrote...
As always.

Seriously: BW isn't stupid. The Devs might never have seen it like we do since they have, of course, far more information than we have. That doesn't change the game's finale feels odd, detached and surreal compared against the rest of ME3 and the entire series.

Now while we're playing with that issue and make up theories, BW could do this too, right in this very moment. Wouldn't be too surprised if some of the devs is reading this thread - or maybe this one too - and creating a DLC that's based on that theory. In that case, they don't even need to kill the current "endings" - they're just no longer "endings" but display the fight between Shepard's mind and indoctrination. A really beautiful idea ... and one that shows us how badly broken Shepard truly is.

Why not? It happened before, I can't see why it shouldn't happen again. However, I wouldn't count on a DLC before end of the year tbh, since a lot of stuff needs to be added.

I hope we can hold the line as long as it takes to convince BW to create that Ending-DLC and admit we're right ...

You probably have an idea of how much I want them to be sitting there going 'Hmmm, yes that would work! We'll give them something to remember ME3 by other than rage'. I want that so badly 

[Blubox]

CptData wrote...

DangerSandler wrote...

Well whatever happens really, I'm proud to have took part of the "Hold the Line" movement. I've never really seen the gaming community ban together against something so passionately before. It's pretty incredible to be honest.

Pretty much. It's incredible the normally divided fandom (Liara-fans, Tali-fans, Garrus-fans, Ashley-fans, Cerberus-fans, ...) finally fight for the same cause: convincing BW to change the endings / create real endings.

fîghting together to "take back earth"...that reminds me of something ^^

[Flapperrr]

To that we have forgotten about the main thing - ship races, through repeaters, occurs actually out of time, мнгновенно, without any stretched in time or (under) channel space. How then something could catch up with Normandy in process?

[arkhine]

FrostByte-GER wrote...

Hey guys, some new crazy tweets from BioWare or any news?

I don't think their tweets merit much 

[Captain Shakespeare]

If only we had a Commander Shepard to lead the charge...

[CptData]

Captain Shakespeare wrote...

If only we had a Commander Shepard to lead the charge...

Technically, you are Commander Shepard. And you. And you. And you, Sir, you are Commander Shepard.

(Mad Prophet re-used!)

[undyinghunter]

This might just be me, but couldn't it be possible that the real ending is on the disk waiting for an exact date and authorization code fro Bioware/EA before we can play it? The Indoctrination Theory makes the most sense and if it's true then Bioware will have indoctrinated every Commander Shepard (us) waiting to see if we would figure it out and break free or think this is the real ending for some time to come.

I think the ending is one the disk cause Mass Effect 2 is longer game play hour wise than Mass Effect 3 so far. If Mass Effect 3 needed 2 disks why was is so short compared to ME2? Granted some of that space is needed for multiplayer, but what about the rest?

[lex0r11]

undyinghunter wrote...

This might just be me, but couldn't it be possible that the real ending is on the disk waiting for an exact date and authorization code fro Bioware/EA before we can play it? The Indoctrination Theory makes the most sense and if it's true then Bioware will have indoctrinated every Commander Shepard (us) waiting to see if we would figure it out and break free or think this is the real ending for some time to come.

I think the ending is one the disk cause Mass Effect 2 is longer game play hour wise than Mass Effect 3 so far. If Mass Effect 3 needed 2 disks why was is so short compared to ME2? Granted some of that space is needed for multiplayer, but what about the rest?

that idea came up several times, i too thought about it for awhile. but it it would've been datamined already and, from what i understand people can do on PC with the files, it would be very hard to hide something like that.

still, good way to do it.

[MysticBinary82]

Yes I am Commander Shepard and this is my favorit thread on BSN.

Hold The Line guys and gals just don't let you talk down by a PR text.

[kyrieee]

Sorry, it's too hard to keep up with this thread so I'm sure this has been brought up a dozen times already, but you hear Shep breathing with every shot she takes in the 'Destroy' ending:

[FrostByte-GER]

kyrieee wrote...

Sorry, it's too hard to keep up with this thread so I'm sure this has been brought up a dozen times already, but you hear Shep breathing with every shot she takes in the 'Destroy' ending:

Wow....you're right. Nice find

[lex0r11]

kyrieee wrote...

Sorry, it's too hard to keep up with this thread so I'm sure this has been brought up a dozen times already, but you hear Shep breathing with every shot she takes in the 'Destroy' ending:

at first, it sounds like breathing. but the more shots are fired, the more it sound like something else. echo or something. doesn't sound natural if you ask me.

[beyzend]

This forum and this 647 pages long conspiracy is a trip.

[Martukis]

Looking through the game files, a lot of them have logical names - I think most of the BioA_CerJcb files relate to Jacob's optional mission. But there are some I do not know if I've seen, like the BioA_Cat002_Cathederal, or Stalingrad. I also see some ProEar files referring to a trial, and possible escape... strange...

[monrapias]

Terran235 wrote...

KujaTheDarkOne2 wrote...

Red Starblazer wrote...

beyzend wrote...

what? I only lost Jack. Not sure how that happened tho. I did the loyalty mission with her, maybe it's because I didn't do a whole lot with her because I was planning to do another run.

I actually teared up when I lost Mordin and Legion...

Mordin in particular got me. It was when he started singing his song.

I was sad for that same reason, got teary eyed. But lets not forget when LEGION asks "Do "i" have a soul" Adorable and sad at the same time.

To wich I replied with "No you don't"  Legion is just as much alive and has as much as of a soul as a mobile phone or a computer.

[Rifneno]

GunMoth wrote...

I'm a skeptic who tends to believe in crazy theories at the same time.
Its like: If someone's athiest and doesn't believe in the afterlife but loves watching those "worlds most haunted places!!11" specials on TV.

Slight OT but I have to say or it'll keep bothering me... there's a massive middleground between "it's the spirits of the dead come back from the grave!" and "you're lying because we already know everything there is to know about science." Many cases of "paranormal" phenomenon are very real, natural occurances that we just didn't understand. For example, old sailor's legends of "the flying dutchman", a ghost ship floating above the water that's said to be a harbinger (no pun intended) of death. Turns out that there's an optical illusion caused at precise atmospheric conditions that will make a ship in the far distance appear to be floating above the water. And those same conditions are ripe for pulling a killer storm out of nowhere, hence the harbinger of doom stuff. People who write off every "paranormal" occurance as BS aren't skeptics; they're idiots. We only advance our understanding of science by examining things we don't understand, not by dismissing them outright.

KujaTheDarkOne2 wrote...

But yes, anyway, Indoctrination theory is still sound and is still a good thing for Bioware to use as canon, even if it is not what they originally planned!

It's depressing that people are actually starting to give up on the idea that it was planned because of some cryptic BW messages. C'mon guys. There's too much evidence pointing to it that can't be explained by lazy zone design and such. Sound effects that were deliberately put there and serve no other purpose, Shepard's eyes turning to something we KNOW to be a sign of indoctrination, the rubble scene, the dreams being virtually a documentary on indoctrination symptoms... It was planned. There's no way all these pieces just randomly fell into place. Stuff like the unlimited pistol can be us reading too much into it. But we've got half a dozen bloody gloves here. And they FIT.

Also blue babies. Because I really want them, and I can get 'em via Indoc theory.

Maybe one of the Blue Man Group is single?

Vandicus wrote...

We haven't quite established what each of those three purely mental(at least according to our theory) events physically result in. We've actually had some people suggest so that the players won't have to change their decision companions will wake them up, while this series of endings suggests that the players who choose wrong get a "You lose" screen or something equivalent much like sleeping with the Ardat Yakshi companion.

It might be that Shepard can continue if s/he picks the wrong choice but they'll have a much harder time because they'll have to be fending off Reaper mind games the rest of the battle. And likely have to commit suicide afterwards since I doubt it'll be cured even after the Reapers are dead. After all, TIM was fairly functional for years even if a bit off. Doesn't he say something to Shepard along the lines of "I've been fighting them longer than you can imagine!" after Shepard tells him he's lost his will to fight? Kind of implies he's been having a battle of wills for a long time and has only recently lost it.

kent80082006 wrote...

Miranda dies when she confronts her father in one of the cerberus missions if she's not loyal back in ME2

I'd imagine you also have to have told her about Kai Leng too. Happens automatically if Shepard keeps answering her, but if you ignore her she might die too. And I can certainly see why one would ignore her.

Miranda: Shepard, I'm glad to came! My father has Oriana!
Shepard: 'kay. Let's go get her back.
Miranda: Nah, I got this, I just wanted to let you know.
Shepard: Uhhh.. okay?

Later...
Mirandra: Shepard, my father has Oriana!
Shepard: You told me. Can I kill him yet?
Miranda: No, I've got to do this on my own.
Shepard: ...

Yet later...
Miranda: Shepard, Oriana's gone!
Shepard: Goddamnit, are you just going to let me kill him yet?!
Miranda: No, this is my problem.

And even later...
Miranda: Shepard, my sister is--Shepard? ... Shepard?
*crickets*

Red Starblazer wrote...

I actually teared up when I lost Mordin and Legion...

Ditto. I can't even remember the last time I shed a tear at a character's death in a movie or video game. ... Aeris, if I had to guess. Been a while. This game pulled it off twice. (Though for me it was Mordin and Thane, not Mordin and Legion... Legion but geth don't "die" like we do, he's still around, just not in that platform) And the opposite as well. Curing the genophage and making peace between the quarians and geth were off-the-charts feel-good moments. This game delivered spectacularly until Harbinger started playing Space Invaders at the conduit beam.

KujaTheDarkOne2 wrote...

Mordin in particular got me. It was when he started singing his song.

It plays differently if you didn't have him sing for you in ME2. His last words are "Genophage cured. A new beginning. For us all." And he smiles as the room blows up. I keep remembering his speech on salarian religion in ME2, saying most of them believe in reincarnation. Which is what I think he meant by a new beginning for him as well.

arkhine wrote...

Besides the Final Hours app being hope-crushing, no. I wonder if that app is the reason they wanted to delay talking about the endings?

It's hope crushing to see the notes reference a movie where the main character is in a virtual reality and can only get out of it by taking the red option? ... I guess it's hope crushing if you're hoping that IT isn't true. But that's about it.

Anyway. Also holding the line.