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[Lugaidster]

By the way, the sole fact that Shepard barely refuses to take an option is a give-away to me. It's not his standard character. His motivation was always to find a way.

[lookingglassmind]

@mentosman:

Beautiful.

Control equals TIM.
Synthesis equals Saren.
Destroy equals Shepard.

[Golferguy758]

My only concern is the normandy crash now. Does it take place during the hallucination, or does it occur after the Shepard breath scene

[Heathen Pride]

I doubt it was intended to be hallucination...but maybe that's the angle they'll use for an alternate ending DLC.

[littleork]

Golferguy758 wrote...

My only concern is the normandy crash now. Does it take place during the hallucination, or does it occur after the Shepard breath scene

It was before because even in the game, they put the breathing scene after the crashing one.

[BlackDragonBane]

VerdantSF wrote...

The biggest detail for me that I completely missed until someone else mentioned it was the armor. When Shepard wakes up after Harbinger's beam attack, he's no longer in his armor. I was so tense about nearing the end, that I didn't even notice.

The laser burned most of it off, hence why Shepard was bleeding pretty badly all over. In the ending where Shepard's chestplate is seen moving, bears near identical markings as to the blasted armor seen in-game.

Modifié par BlackDragonBane, 11 mars 2012 - 09:17 .

[Terraforming2154]

mentosman8 wrote...

In terms of going into the light, an organic/synthetic combination is both what the Reapers themselves are, and pretty in line with Saren in ME1. He didn't believe that they could be controlled, simply that they could co-exist as the highest form of evolution being hybridized(as he was at that point) unless I'm remembering wrong. If that's the case, Control=TIM, synthesize=Saren, Destroy=not-indoctrinated/too strong of a will

Well-said.

I feel like such a ****** for not noticing these things during my playthrough. I think I was so anxious about everything that I even forgot blue wasn't the destroy ending until I got right up on it.

Modifié par Terraforming2154, 11 mars 2012 - 09:16 .

[BP20125810]

Dear God I hope so?

[Sierra163]

Lugaidster wrote...

From where do you get that the M is 13?? Anyone?

13th letter of the alphabet

[BlackDragonBane]

This is really making me rethink the ending choice for my primary Shepard.

[FLYING GRENADE11]

littleork wrote...

cannedcream wrote...

littleork wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

How do we know that all us of coming up with these theories aren't indoctrinated by Bioware/EA , wanting to believe something that could never be true.

Some people are actually able to play the game again because they keep this theory as the actual ending and figure out the rest as they see fit. If it doesnt happen to be real, then i will just play and know that at the end credit that i kept my resolve,...or didnt...

Tell you what, it sure makes me feel better.

And i think its the main point of it since we cant really change it, bioware needs to, if they dont , then we still have our heads to decide what we do with those endings, which in my case, i dismiss them and go in a long fight to death with the reaper after waking up in the rubbles.

But it MUST be canon,otherwise que chronic depression.

[Golferguy758]

littleork wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

My only concern is the normandy crash now. Does it take place during the hallucination, or does it occur after the Shepard breath scene

It was before because even in the game, they put the breathing scene after the crashing one.

Okay thanks, couldn't remember the order of the cinematics. Makes me much more content

[Miss Vader]

if the theory of Shepard being indoctrinated is true-does that mean that he/she will wake up to find their squadies critically hurt/dead from running to the citadel beam?

[littleork]

Golferguy758 wrote...

littleork wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

My only concern is the normandy crash now. Does it take place during the hallucination, or does it occur after the Shepard breath scene

It was before because even in the game, they put the breathing scene after the crashing one.

Okay thanks, couldn't remember the order of the cinematics. Makes me much more content

Glad I could remove the last *doubt* in your indocrinated mind !

[Lugaidster]

Who knows...

[Dr_Hello]

byne wrote...

Is it just me, or does the entire ending sequence not feel like it fits in with the overall theme of the ME universe? It just feels.... off. I cant really describe it.

It seems otherworldly and kind of unfocused.

And when you talk to TIM, you get those weird black things at the edges of the screen.

I am of the opinion that once reaching the Citadel, severely wounded, and losing blood, Shepard hallucinated most of the ending sequence.

It would explain why the kid was there.

The weird blackness when TIM tried to control you and you tried to fight it could be Shepard fighting against blood loss and trying not to pass out (hence the darkening around the edges of the screen)

It explains how even the crew who were wounded with you near the portal in London ended up on the Normandy, and even why the Normandy was leaving Earth in the first place, its because Shepard isnt thinking clearly, and these are just the images dreamed up by a deteriorating brain.

Also, there is a likelyhood that having spent so much time around Reapers, Shepard is slightly indoctrinated. The Synthesis ending really doesnt make much sense, other than the fact that the little kid seems to think it is the best option. We never get an explanation on how jumping into a beam of energy that kills us will do anything like what it is said it will do.

The Reapers used Shepard's slight indoctrination and confused state as part of a last ditch effort to get Shepard to take himself out of the picture, since they knew that if they didnt do so, Shepard was about to win.

tl;dr blood loss leads to reaper victory

Hallucination makes the most sense, in my humble opinion.

Maybe Bioware will release a DLC where it turns out the horrible endings were all just a hallucination that you experienced after you got knocked unconscious by Harbinger while heading towards the portal thingy, and then you can go on to have endings that actually make sense.

Edit: fixed my weird formatting

I don't think it's a hallucination.

The endings do work within the themes of ME, about the notion of sacrifice and self-perservation...
but IMHO, the way it's either written or executed to screen fails,
here's my explanation as to why: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/9768157/1#9768157

[oh_saki]

I still don't like this whole 'crash land in the jungle' thing, simply because we don't know what happens to Earth! The big selling point for this game was 'Take Back Earth'. We literally have no idea, as of right now, what exactly happened to Earth, except that the Reapers flew away or fell over. But we don't know what happens in the aftermath.

I will be straight up honest, I spent over $200 on these games. I preordered the ME2 Collector's Edition back when I was on deployment in Africa and when I got it I still couldn't play it for months until I got back home to the states because I didn't want to start a play through until I loaded up my ME1 character. Mass Effect is truly one of my favorite franchises of all time, rivaling my love of Star Wars, and if you knew me personally, that's no small feat. If I had to shell out an extra ten bucks or so to make my FULL Mass Effect experience complete, without this crappily depressing and hollow ending, then so be it. I'll pay. You hear me EA/BioWare? I'll PAY! I'll pay you to salvage this otherwise fantastic franchise for me!

[littleork]

Miss Vader wrote...

if the theory of Shepard being indoctrinated is true-does that mean that he/she will wake up to find their squadies critically hurt/dead from running to the citadel beam?

It could like it could not, I dont think the choices you do in the crucible would have an effect, maybe earlier decisions, but i dont think it really matters. IT could be cool to do the end of the game all by yourself, could make it more epic.

[Lugaidster]

I'm trippin' right now. I can't contain my emotion. But if this is all false, or Bioware debunks this theory, I'm going to be devastated.

This is my ray of hope to the epicness and awesomeness that is Mass Effect.

[Phydeaux314]

Huuuuuh.

I think I need to go replay that ending and pay close attention. Too much stuff here seems... off.

[Golferguy758]

oh_saki wrote...

I still don't like this whole 'crash land in the jungle' thing, simply because we don't know what happens to Earth! The big selling point for this game was 'Take Back Earth'. We literally have no idea, as of right now, what exactly happened to Earth, except that the Reapers flew away or fell over. But we don't know what happens in the aftermath.

I will be straight up honest, I spent over $200 on these games. I preordered the ME2 Collector's Edition back when I was on deployment in Africa and when I got it I still couldn't play it for months until I got back home to the states because I didn't want to start a play through until I loaded up my ME1 character. Mass Effect is truly one of my favorite franchises of all time, rivaling my love of Star Wars, and if you knew me personally, that's no small feat. If I had to shell out an extra ten bucks or so to make my FULL Mass Effect experience complete, without this crappily depressing and hollow ending, then so be it. I'll pay. You hear me EA/BioWare? I'll PAY! I'll pay you to salvage this otherwise fantastic franchise for me!

The crash landing was a way to make Shepard be more at ease with his decision because he sees some of the people most important to him safe on a planet that has no fighting. Or in the destruction case something his brain came up with because he wants his friends safe.

[FLYING GRENADE11]

Miss Vader wrote...

if the theory of Shepard being indoctrinated is true-does that mean that he/she will wake up to find their squadies critically hurt/dead from running to the citadel beam?

Sadly yes.

[omgBAMF]

oh_saki wrote...

I still don't like this whole 'crash land in the jungle' thing, simply because we don't know what happens to Earth! The big selling point for this game was 'Take Back Earth'. We literally have no idea, as of right now, what exactly happened to Earth, except that the Reapers flew away or fell over. But we don't know what happens in the aftermath.

I will be straight up honest, I spent over $200 on these games. I preordered the ME2 Collector's Edition back when I was on deployment in Africa and when I got it I still couldn't play it for months until I got back home to the states because I didn't want to start a play through until I loaded up my ME1 character. Mass Effect is truly one of my favorite franchises of all time, rivaling my love of Star Wars, and if you knew me personally, that's no small feat. If I had to shell out an extra ten bucks or so to make my FULL Mass Effect experience complete, without this crappily depressing and hollow ending, then so be it. I'll pay. You hear me EA/BioWare? I'll PAY! I'll pay you to salvage this otherwise fantastic franchise for me!

My take on the "crash landing" is that its what Shep would want for his friends/LI.  There are a couple of lines (Garrus:"Retire to a tropical planet"; Liara:"Wouldn't it be easy to find a planet somewhere to live in peace") that could foreshadow this thought.

Modifié par omgBAMF, 11 mars 2012 - 09:22 .

[lookingglassmind]

@ Miss Vader:

That is what BioWare has to explain. If they were truly trying to give the player the ultimate experience by allowing them to experience indoctrination first hand, then either the reality of what happens remains in our imaginations, or BioWare has to release DLC to explain it.

[omgBAMF]

littleork wrote...

Miss Vader wrote...

if the theory of Shepard being indoctrinated is true-does that mean that he/she will wake up to find their squadies critically hurt/dead from running to the citadel beam?

It could like it could not, I dont think the choices you do in the crucible would have an effect, maybe earlier decisions, but i dont think it really matters. IT could be cool to do the end of the game all by yourself, could make it more epic.

Could be another loyalty/friendship check like in ME2.