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[Earthborn_Shepard]

I haven't been online since yesterday morning, any important news?

[SirLugash]

If this theory is fact and there will be some DLC to continue, I hope the real endings will differ a lot from each other.
A bad ending for example could be the one from ME2: Arrival when the timer runs out.
You and your guys with TIM in the Citadel with Harbinger hovering in and (after som chat maybe) blowing it all up.

[I...AM...KROGAN]

Whether or not Bioware intended indoctrination to be a viable explanation for the ending, I'm going to use it to comprehend the mess they've written.

[Nette]

arkhine wrote...

CptData wrote...
As always.

Seriously: BW isn't stupid. The Devs might never have seen it like we do since they have, of course, far more information than we have. That doesn't change the game's finale feels odd, detached and surreal compared against the rest of ME3 and the entire series.

Now while we're playing with that issue and make up theories, BW could do this too, right in this very moment. Wouldn't be too surprised if some of the devs is reading this thread - or maybe this one too - and creating a DLC that's based on that theory. In that case, they don't even need to kill the current "endings" - they're just no longer "endings" but display the fight between Shepard's mind and indoctrination. A really beautiful idea ... and one that shows us how badly broken Shepard truly is.

Why not? It happened before, I can't see why it shouldn't happen again. However, I wouldn't count on a DLC before end of the year tbh, since a lot of stuff needs to be added.

I hope we can hold the line as long as it takes to convince BW to create that Ending-DLC and admit we're right ...

You probably have an idea of how much I want them to be sitting there going 'Hmmm, yes that would work! We'll give them something to remember ME3 by other than rage'. I want that so badly 

Me too! Come on Bioware, do the right thing! I don't care if it takes time, just say you'll fix it. There's a lot of great ideas here, especially the indoc- theory (which, as said above, would work with the current "endings"), all would make sense if this was the case.  Making this come true will only elevate you in the eyes of the fans and I for one will gladly pay to see this amazing saga get a worthy ending.

And the Hold the line movement is truly amazing! I'm proud to be a part of it! 
Hold the line everybody,  HOLD THE LINE!

[MaroonMoore93]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

I haven't been online since yesterday morning, any important news?

Casey Hudson had an interview and Jessica Merizan is asking for suggestions, etc.

[jackncoke28]

Thought about something. Anyone know why reapers were sending human bodies for harvesting to the citidel? Can humans be harvested there? Could tie in with Anderson mentioning the resemblance to collector base.

[Jere85]

Guys, not to get all mushy... but im damn proud to be part of the line, and damn proud so many people are holding the line, it brings tears to the eyes really, we deserve more, if it were just me, BW would have never noticed. Now we have a shot, because WE WILL HOLD THE LINE!

[S Atomeha]

jackncoke28 wrote...

Thought about something. Anyone know why reapers were sending human bodies for harvesting to the citidel? Can humans be harvested there? Could tie in with Anderson mentioning the resemblance to collector base.

shouldn't be you can't build a reaper even parts in such a short time. 

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

You know, the more I think about the Indoctrination theory, the more I turn it around, the more convinced I am Bioware planned this all along. Not so much the ending, but the reaction or at the very least seeing the reaction.

They have been suprisingly silent since this all started with a very deep wait and see approach to it all and it just seemes strange that the ending would be so different in those last 20 minutes compared to the hour or so of the assualt we went through before and the hors spent before that. It makes no sense in the way that something that is obviusly fake makes no sense.

This ending, lets for theory´s sake say this is not the real ending, but that Bioware has the real ending lying around as DLC and are simply waiting at the moment. What reasons could their be to delay the release of the ending?

1: The publicity.

This one is pretty simple, they are getting alot of attention at the moment even if it is not so much good attention. Few other stories has the same interest as the ME3 ending at the moment.

2: The Effect.

This ending that we see, if it is Indoctrination there can be a very good reason they are dleaying the real ending. Simple, would the ending have the same bite, the same effect if Shepard woke up moments after and we found out it was all a Dream/Indoctrination?

No, the way the ending works at the moment, confusing and sudden makes a hell of an impact even if it is mostly negative.

If this is what Bioware aimed for creating panic and confusion before
lifting the shroud for the truth they ahve succeeded which brings me to
the final point.

3. Memory of the ending

At the moment the ending will be remembered for a long time, as negative, but remembered.  But it will be remembered even longer if Bioware turns around on us and lifts the shroud on an extended ending in the form of of  free DLC. If it is made right the entire current ending can go from an abomination to one of the strongest points ever in a game ending, a choice that had to be made not on game mechanics and knowledge of the now, but of the preceeding many hours of gaming.


Its a long shot, but Bioware just might be waiting, letting it all sink in and watching how the choices in that final sequence are spread out, how many saw through it, how many did not? If the indoctrination theory is true Bioware turned every part of the game uåpside down, turning every mechanic and all we were told against common sense build upon the hours in the games coming before it.

They presented what had seemed like the only outcome as the bad choice and turned what had multiple times been deemed impossible into the good choice, the logical choice, the right choice. I can only imagine it was something along these lines Saren saw form Sovreign, what is wrong appeared right just like indoctrination has been described so many times.

But this time it was turned upon us and not just Shepard and Bioware is watching how many fell, how many were Indoctrinated to the game mechanics instead of relying upon common sense.

If Bioware lifst the Shroud on the Indoctrination with current storm raging and gives us a proper staisfying ending, that ending and the Indoctrination part will be remembered for a long, long time in every gamer who went through it.

This is offcourse a very long shot and might just be wishful thinking on my part, but really how big an impact would it not have if this was the case?

[jackncoke28]

[quote]AdmiralsJack wrote...

[quote]Blubox wrote...

im thinking...when i start the last mission where i go to TIMs base. Anderson asks you if ur ready for it. The paragon choice (upper right) is "no, we wait" and the renegade choice (lower right) is "lets do it" (or something like that, my game is german). why are u forced to do a renegade choice to start the mission?[/quote]

i was suprised to but I ignored it there

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struck me as odd too. cant remember, but were the wait or go now options in the same position in mass effect 2?

[Metalrocks]

cant play the game again. this terrible ending wounded me so badly, that i just cant bring it over my self to play it again. its so deep, it will take a long time to heal.

i want the ending we have been promised. i want to decide how it should end, that my actions in the past 2 games matter. i want an ending that also clear things up, that make f****** sense. not some stupid holographic boy we saw at the beginning of the game as a human. if it would be for my renegade shepard, she would take that boy over her lap and give him a good spanking.

i payed so much money for the CE edition, and thats what i get. i really hope bioware has a DLC with a true ending. and if, it should be free. as i said before, they promised us that everything will be cleared up. i expect that in the final game. not in a DLC.

[Raze4573]

Collectors needed A LOT of time to just build? grow? birth? the inner part of the Reaper, the "driver" skeleton thingy and hundreds of thousands of colonists for that. With Reapers focusing on murder and slaughter doubtful that the Citadel scene has any real value. After all, it was in Shepards mind anyway.

[Red Starblazer]

INDOCTRINATION AT THE BEAM HAS BEGUN! IM ALMOST DONE PEOPLE! KEEP HOLDING THE LINE!

[Raze4573]

Off the topic a bit but I guess we are holding the line well enough to catch a break and resupply.
Here's what I hear everytime an elevator moves oddly slow or a sound bears too much resemblence to this...
www.youtube.com/watch

[jackncoke28]

Raze4573 wrote...

Collectors needed A LOT of time to just build? grow? birth? the inner part of the Reaper, the "driver" skeleton thingy and hundreds of thousands of colonists for that. With Reapers focusing on murder and slaughter doubtful that the Citadel scene has any real value. After all, it was in Shepards mind anyway.

which is why i asked, found it odd and out of place. wanted to make sure i didnt miss anything

[Tsuarn]

i just hope they had to cut some stuff because of the deadline and we will get it later on.

Also i just rememberd something kinda offtopic.

After ME3 was announced i bought a magazine and it said something about Going back to Omega and Illium among other places. I cant find the magazine anywhere so gues gf got rid of it, is there any info on that?

[Raze4573]

I wonder how long before ANN starts chugging out free and priced DLC, be it outfits or weapons.
ME2 had a very long lifespan thanks to Cerberus Daily News, even with ME3 having horrible endings...I'd be nice to know the game wont "die" within the next week.

[Arphee]

SirLugash wrote...

@Arphee: It doesn't quite work out.
Mass Effect is and was ever Shepards story, you never played a different character and I don't think you will now.
Apart from that, after Shepard wakes up and walks towards the conduit (as you say this happens and is not hallucinated), you hear that hammer was completely wiped out, so there is no one left.

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This makes me believe, as Shep is clearly walking to the Conduit (and also Anderson), that the hallucination starts right here, even before entering the Conduit.
That would fit with him laying in rubble when he breathes in the best ending.
Also, the situation with TIM.
It's pretty clear that Shep is kind of indoctrinated by TIM (he acquired the technology with Mirandas father at sanctuary), he also says "Controlling me is completely different to controlling a reaper".
But, did you notice those reaper sounds in background ?
I believe that was the reaper's first attempt to control Shepard, and because they fail you hear those sounds.
They basically tried to assume control through TIM, even the child said that TIM couldn't control the reapers because they already controled him.

The second and most promisind attempt then was with the child.

Normally I'd agree with you entirely but its been stated many times many ways that this is the last game for sheppard, this is the end of his trilogy, living or dead, paragon or renegade, ending fix or not. Without the ending fix the entire mass effect universe would be destroyed due to loss of relays, effectively ruining the entire games universe lore and setup, without relays it takes about a half a year of FTL travel on fuel to make it between a short range primary relay, this isnt even possible to be done by conventional ships within the mass effect universe as is due to the excessive amounts of fuel and time needed per trip.

If the series IS going to continue the ending needs to be fixed, and bioware has to have plans for a protagonist for the next game, i found Major Coats to be out of place, he was very well voice acted, he had detailed character design, and this is his first mention inany Mass Effect media to date, the only other character whom was new (And not really as he appeared in previous ME media) would be Kai Ling, a MAJOR and integral part of thr storyline.

Worth noting also, i thought with an EMS over 5k they dont get wipe out, and are instead able to hold their own.
(also i could have sworn i noted  TIM's reaper implants, i must have missed a few things while typing the wall out)

All in all its just speculation anyway, but im grasping at straws how bioware can fix this and make it work, its unacceptable if they release a free DLC that patches the old ending out and just adds a new one, they ruined their series, the ending littirally threw me into a bout of depression from dissapointment, i dont think any of us can just FORGET that it was there, and with such a diverse, ritch and well developed universe, itd be a crying shame to let it end here, even if bioware isnt the comapny to make the next mass effect- before this whole incident i beileved mass effect as a series has the most potential out of any other game series ive ever played, its storylines, universe, and characters were some of the best thought out and most well written out of any of the games ive played since my introdcution to gaming in 1995.

Heres to hope, and holding the line.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Oh just another piece for the speculation.

A sidequest in ME3 has you getting a certain item for the Enginer so that in case ths hip gets stressed to its max Engineering wont get vented. It seemed so like a small part of the preparation upgrades from ME2, but never comes into play at leats not in a way we see which is odd. One would think the Normandy would gte pretty heated up at some point during the battle at the end.

Beyond that this is the Salarian STG , we have landed in Denmark and are holding the line near the south east coast of Sjaelland

Modifié par Raistlin Majare 1992, 17 mars 2012 - 03:16 .

[RADIUMEYEZ]

Holding the line in Michigan. Running out of food though may have to make a run to the abandoned grocery store.

[Earthborn_Shepard]

Germany here, taking heavy losses, but also still holding the line

[Jere85]

65th alliance division rerouting a batallion towards germany, reinforcing the line. HOLD!
Geth primes inbound, hold your fire.

[Nette]

AdmiralsJack wrote...

Raze4573 wrote...

Geth Platforms holding the line in Poland. Forum-Users. Good luck.
And yes yes, give us a statement!

Asari are holding the line in Germany...we will not give up!

Human , European Fleet, holding the line in Sweden! In the words of commander Shepard,  "However insignificant we might be, we will fight, we will sacrifice and we will find a way! That's what humans do!" 

Modifié par Nette, 17 mars 2012 - 03:24 .

[blooregard]

Jere85 wrote...

65th alliance division rerouting a batallion towards germany, reinforcing the line. HOLD!
Geth primes inbound, hold your fire.

I lol'd when I read "I'm never going to live down apologizing to a geth for shooting it"

[Earthborn_Shepard]

Oh god, I love nerds.