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Raze4573

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To calm people down and get back the respect of the fan base they need to accept all three semi-endings.
Perhaps in the 2 where you get indoctrinated Shepard -remains- indoctrinated and "helps" to destroy the Reapers but in the last moment he betrays everyone but HOW depends on the "ending" you chose. If you chose Synthesis then he uses some deus ex machina to become a Reaper of equal or higher power than Harbinger AND conscious and aware instead indoctrinated. As if the indoctrination was an introduction for him to become The Ultimate Renegade. And then we get a majestic, 5 minute long CGI movie in which we see ShepReaper destroying life in the galaxy. If Shep chose control then we see Shepard sitting within Harbinger, like Saren did inside Sovereign, he looks like a mix between TIM husk + SovereignSaren + Grayson, becoming Harbingers "CPU" and right hand and we see how Reapers annihilate all life in a CGI movie but in this ending its somewhat more brutal than if Shepard himself lead the Reaping. The Shep within Harbinger idea was already mentioned, dont remember by who but all credit to that person.
I'm not writing anything about the Destroy ending yet because I havent finished writing my Destroy option fan fic :P.
Altho would be cool if we'd get a space battle against Harbinger and we'd pilot the Normandy through Joker/EDI, HAWX style.

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Raistlin Majare 1992

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Cenobite2012 just linked this picture to me, can anyone see if it is shopped or not?

http://www.imagebam....dbe432180123666

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Raze4573

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Seems legit. XD

#16304
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Nette wrote...

AdmiralsJack wrote...

Raze4573 wrote...

Geth Platforms holding the line in Poland. Forum-Users. Good luck.
And yes yes, give us a statement!


Asari are holding the line in Germany...we will not give up!


Human , European Fleet, holding the line in Sweden! In the words of commander Shepard,  "However insignificant we might be, we will fight, we will sacrifice and we will find a way! That's what humans do!"  Posted Image


not only humans, every race in the galaxy around the world^^

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Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Cenobite2012 just linked this picture to me, can anyone see if it is shopped or not?

http://www.imagebam....dbe432180123666


Seems legit.

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Jere85

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Shopped, easily spotted by the font they use. I allways got subtitles on, this isnt the font.

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Raistlin Majare 1992

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Jere85 wrote...

Shopped, easily spotted by the font they use. I allways got subtitles on, this isnt the font.


Yeah okay, not really experienced in such things.

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That would be one of the main reasons Reapers would want Shepard in a separate Reaper form or Indoctrinated. As Miranda said, [s]he can make people follow him/her to hell and back.
One human that rallied all the races together. As the dominant entity within a human Reaper, Shep would make the Reaping play out like an insta win every 50k years.

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Jere85 wrote...

Shopped, easily spotted by the font they use. I allways got subtitles on, this isnt the font.


Same those subtitles in that image look way off

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Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Jere85 wrote...

Shopped, easily spotted by the font they use. I allways got subtitles on, this isnt the font.


Yeah okay, not really experienced in such things.


I wish it wasnt shopped, then it could be true... but alas...

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@Arphee: I agree with you basically, ME3 ist the end of Shepards story, but if Indoc Theory is true, it would just mean that Shepards story will be told a little further (as the scene after credits proclaimed... one more story).
Indoc Theory suggests that the endgame scenario we are facing is the battle of shepards mind.
The battle against the reapers though, is to be told.

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One more thing which I cant get out of my head:
From ME2 on, Harbinger was to be seen as the enemy to all humans and especially Shepard.
Several lines from him were quoted.
After the preparations in ME2 and ME2: Arrival as well as the fact that he was the one leading the attack on earth (codex entry), Anderson tells you (before charging to the conduit) that a lot of Sovereign-class ships including Harbinger were coming down to get you.
So, after all that, the only time we face him was for about 15 secs where he pew pews all over the place, hits you (for what we see not even directly) and disappears ?
Seriously ? Not a bit of chatter with him ? Not even a one-liner ?
I don't buy it.

Also, apart from Harbinger, all the capital ships we saw were Sovereign-like reapers.
What happened to these entirely different looking ones we saw in the ME2 outro (reaper fleet moving to milky way) ?
See: http://images2.wikia...eaper_fleet.png

Modifié par SirLugash, 17 mars 2012 - 03:40 .


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I wondered about the unique looking Reapers as well. What the hell happened to those scarab beetle looking ones? And why didnt we see Processor ships? One game isnt enough for ME3.
I hope for something similar to Dragon Age Awakening. We could import Shepard, provided he chose Destroy option OR get introduced to a new character that will lead to ME4.

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Actually I'm starting to like this idea. I want to play a reaper in a sequel!

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Okay everypony. I've just beaten the game on the second playthrough on Insanity. I chose destroy and had a lvl of 7010ish. I can without a doubt tell you its indoctrination. Just saw the breathe seen as we already know, currently rolling through credits. I'm waiting to see if there is anything or any kind of message at the end of the credits (other than the old dude and kid).

STATUS: Waiting/Holding the Line

Modifié par Red Starblazer, 17 mars 2012 - 03:38 .


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A game from a Reaper perspective would be interesting but I'm not convinced it would be fit as a separate product. Perhaps a huge DLC. Like the one in Dragon Age where we played as the Darkspawn, just bigger, A LOT bigger.

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Red Starblazer wrote...

Okay everypony. I've just beaten the game on the second playthrough on Insanity. I chose destroy and had a lvl of 7010ish. I can without a doubt tell you its indoctrination. Just saw the breathe seen as we already know, currently rolling through credits. I'm waiting to see if there is anything or any kind of message at the end of the credits (other than the old dude and kid).

STATUS: Waiting/Holding the Line


indoctrination is the only logical answer...keep up holding the line

#16317
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Really hope they go with this theory. Fits so well. Not sure if they will, though.

#16318
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Holding the line. Just like my userbar says. And twitter. And msn personal message. And xfire status.

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just dont give up the hope :)

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AdmiralsJack wrote...

Nette wrote...

AdmiralsJack wrote...

Raze4573 wrote...

Geth Platforms holding the line in Poland. Forum-Users. Good luck.
And yes yes, give us a statement!


Asari are holding the line in Germany...we will not give up!


Human , European Fleet, holding the line in Sweden! In the words of commander Shepard,  "However insignificant we might be, we will fight, we will sacrifice and we will find a way! That's what  we do!"  Posted Image


not only humans, every race in the galaxy around the world^^


Yes, of course! Fixed....see how easy that was Bioware! Holding the line!

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One of the recent tweets from the official me feed clearly states that The Truth DLC is just a rumor (not that I ever believed in it), so I guess there's some more evidence against this beautiful theory.

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Nette wrote...

AdmiralsJack wrote...

Nette wrote...

AdmiralsJack wrote...

Raze4573 wrote...

Geth Platforms holding the line in Poland. Forum-Users. Good luck.
And yes yes, give us a statement!


Asari are holding the line in Germany...we will not give up!


Human , European Fleet, holding the line in Sweden! In the words of commander Shepard,  "However insignificant we might be, we will fight, we will sacrifice and we will find a way! That's what [/u] we [u]do!"  Posted Image


not only humans, every race in the galaxy around the world^^


Yes, of course! Fixed....see how easy that was Bioware! Holding the line!


that's a good example what Bioware should do not this ****ing space magic....but we hold the line!

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just read this?

http://social.biowar.../index/10089946

What you think people he sounds pretty sure the endings were good enough

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I need reinforcements in the Netherlands, taking heavy casualties... squads getting ripped to shreds, 2nd batallion got decimated in minutes, i never should have sent the geth primes to Germany.
65th Alliance division requesting reinforcements! Holding the line for now! Wheres the heavies?!

#16325
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Playing as a reaper would be interesting, indeed, but just as a small DLC maybe.
I mean what could you be doing ?
Landing on a planet, destroy everything, maybe some fight in space in which you destroy other ships ?
Fun at first, but then ?
Conversation ? Probably not as they don't talk (imagine two reapers staring at each other while communitaing in an "inefficient way" xD).