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Was the ending a hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory


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Red Starblazer

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Okay Everyone. I've finished. The ending is without a doubt indoctrination. They signs are all there now that I knew what to look for. Problem is, I wasn't given anything different as far as an ending.

We are just going to have to wait for Bioware to make there announcement. Sorry folks.

Red Starblazer, retreating OFF the line and going back to camp for medical attention and psycological therapy. Will be back in a few days. Keep holding the line.

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An insight into harvesting, Reaper purpose, origins etc.
Plus come on...mindless blood bath is always fun.

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Red Starblazer wrote...

Okay Everyone. I've finished. The ending is without a doubt indoctrination. They signs are all there now that I knew what to look for. Problem is, I wasn't given anything different as far as an ending.

We are just going to have to wait for Bioware to make there announcement. Sorry folks.

Red Starblazer, retreating OFF the line and going back to camp for medical attention and psycological therapy. Will be back in a few days. Keep holding the line.


Thanks for the info :)

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@SirLugash both of those bothered me a great deal as well, the reapers have been doing this every 50k year, harvesting all civilization to create reapers, each reaper is supposed to be indicative of its race, the last cycle harvested the Promethean and their sub-dominant races, yet not a single protean reaper was scene, nor the civilization before them whom had beard testicles like Indiana Jones from POTC. It makes me honestly question if this isn't just a reaper ADVANCED force, the ME universe technically takes place in the same universe as ours slightly in the future.

We know that the universe has been around BILLIONS of years, we dont know when the reapers were created, but it can be assumed there's a hell of a lot more than what showed up.

And yeah Harbingers inactivity within the game also disappointed me, it didn't fit in well, i figured it was because he didn't have any opportunities for contact, and at the end when he was silent it struck me as odd as well, hell he didn't even GROWL all that much.

Also i just took a look at information from Mass Effect 3: Final Hours and it isnt looking good for INDOC theory, apparently the staff ALLOWED it to be this way, they liked it, they removed a minute of talk time with Anderson before he died, a boss fight with TIM because and i QUOTE "It felt too videogamey"

I'm starting to FEAR this is just a complete and total case of incomprehensible incompetence...

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The geth shall hold the line. Prime units arriving to provide required reinforcements.

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Jere85 wrote...

Red Starblazer wrote...

Okay Everyone. I've finished. The ending is without a doubt indoctrination. They signs are all there now that I knew what to look for. Problem is, I wasn't given anything different as far as an ending.

We are just going to have to wait for Bioware to make there announcement. Sorry folks.

Red Starblazer, retreating OFF the line and going back to camp for medical attention and psycological therapy. Will be back in a few days. Keep holding the line.


Thanks for the info :)


thanks that gives new hope to keep up holding the line :)

Modifié par AdmiralsJack, 17 mars 2012 - 03:53 .


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Jere85 wrote...

I need reinforcements in the Netherlands, taking heavy casualties... squads getting ripped to shreds, 2nd batallion got decimated in minutes, i never should have sent the geth primes to Germany.
65th Alliance division requesting reinforcements! Holding the line for now! Wheres the heavies?!


Geth units on the way! 


Holding the line forever!
even if they say this is the ending im gonna create one in my head that makes sense XD

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SirLugash wrote...

Playing as a reaper would be interesting, indeed, but just as a small DLC maybe.
I mean what could you be doing ?
Landing on a planet, destroy everything, maybe some fight in space in which you destroy other ships ?
Fun at first, but then ?
Conversation ? Probably not as they don't talk (imagine two reapers staring at each other while communitaing in an "inefficient way" xD).


Seems to be funny enough for the Reapers, after all, they do this every 50k years for at least 37m years now ...

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Once I am finished writing my ending fan fic and making sure it doesnt have plotholes, something which BW clearly didnt >_>, I shall upload it for people to read.

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Tsuarn wrote...

Jere85 wrote...

I need reinforcements in the Netherlands, taking heavy casualties... squads getting ripped to shreds, 2nd batallion got decimated in minutes, i never should have sent the geth primes to Germany.
65th Alliance division requesting reinforcements! Holding the line for now! Wheres the heavies?!


Geth units on the way! 


Holding the line forever!
even if they say this is the ending im gonna create one in my head that makes sense XD


made this too, never leave the line :)

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Raze4573 wrote...

Once I am finished writing my ending fan fic and making sure it doesnt have plotholes, something which BW clearly didnt >_>, I shall upload it for people to read.


i would like to read it :)

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AdmiralsJack wrote...

Jere85 wrote...

Red Starblazer wrote...

Okay Everypony. I've finished. The ending is without a doubt indoctrination. They signs are all there now that I knew what to look for. Problem is, I wasn't given anything different as far as an ending.

We are just going to have to wait for Bioware to make there announcement. Sorry foalks.

Red Starblazer, retreating OFF the line and going back to camp for medical attention and psycological therapy. Will be back in a few days. Keep holding the line.


Thanks for the info :)


thanks that gives new hope to keep up holding the line :)


Ughhh...I need some medi-gel and an asprin...

Modifié par Red Starblazer, 17 mars 2012 - 04:01 .


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ba0987 wrote...

just read this?

http://social.biowar.../index/10089946

What you think people he sounds pretty sure the endings were good enough


It's bs, damage controll. Read this: http://social.biowar...10084349-1.html

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Started writing it during a, no surprise here, english writing class at college.
What can I say, ME3 is way more interesting than topic sentences and thesis statements.

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Arphee wrote...

civilization before them whom had beard testicles like Indiana Jones from POTC


Heh-heh, I wanna' see that movie!

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[quote]Blubox wrote...

im thinking...when i start the last mission where i go to TIMs base. Anderson asks you if ur ready for it. The paragon choice (upper right) is "no, we wait" and the renegade choice (lower right) is "lets do it" (or something like that, my game is german). why are u forced to do a renegade choice to start the mission?[/quote]

i was suprised to but I ignored it there

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struck me as odd too. cant remember, but were the wait or go now options in the same position in mass effect 2?

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i finished me2 yesterday (for 13th time) and i think it was center left and right...

Modifié par Blubox, 17 mars 2012 - 04:04 .


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Arphee wrote...

@SirLugash both of those bothered me a great deal as well, the reapers have been doing this every 50k year, harvesting all civilization to create reapers, each reaper is supposed to be indicative of its race, the last cycle harvested the Promethean and their sub-dominant races, yet not a single protean reaper was scene, nor the civilization before them whom had beard testicles like Indiana Jones from POTC. It makes me honestly question if this isn't just a reaper ADVANCED force, the ME universe technically takes place in the same universe as ours slightly in the future.


I think we did see other reapers, it is just not made very clear. At the end of ME2, we saw a reaper "baby"/core being bult at the collector base. Its implied that the the rest of the reaper wasnt bulit yet (which might explain how easily it went down). I'm sure if the reaper was finished, it'd have the same exterior as all other reapers in the game. The insides/cores differ, but the look samey on the outside.

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Blubox wrote...

im thinking...when i start the last mission where i go to TIMs base. Anderson asks you if ur ready for it. The paragon choice (upper right) is "no, we wait" and the renegade choice (lower right) is "lets do it" (or something like that, my game is german). why are u forced to do a renegade choice to start the mission?


I was wondering about this too. Quite confusing. :huh:

Holding the line in Finland! 

Modifié par Sinilin , 17 mars 2012 - 04:09 .


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BioWare wasn't smart enough to come up with the theory, they basically said the ending is the end.

#16345
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@Arphee: Of course it isn't looking good, it never was.
But, if you think about it, there are only two options:
1. The endings are real, in which case, I personally believe they could have done better.
the ending is touching in a way, but far from what I expected.
2. There is some top secret project going on which will present the "real" ending, in which case they obisouly wouldn't document it in an app for everyone to read.

In the end, Indoc Theroy is still just a theory, which makes a lot of sense for me and I hope there is something right about it.
Also there are several tweets that don't downright decline this, but asking for waiting some time.

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Turian 43rd Marine division barely holding the line in France, taking heavy casualties and surrounded.

We wont go down silently, shall the spirits be with us.

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Sinilin wrote...

Blubox wrote...

im thinking...when i start the last mission where i go to TIMs base. Anderson asks you if ur ready for it. The paragon choice (upper right) is "no, we wait" and the renegade choice (lower right) is "lets do it" (or something like that, my game is german). why are u forced to do a renegade choice to start the mission?


I was wondering about this too. Quite confusing. :huh:

Holding the line in Finland! 


Ha ha, not everything is a paragon/renegade choice! :D

One just allows you to continue gathering assets. No paragon or renegade points are offered in either and both are delivered pretty neutrally by Shepard.

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Red Starblazer wrote...

Okay everypony. I've just beaten the game on the second playthrough on Insanity. I chose destroy and had a lvl of 7010ish. I can without a doubt tell you its indoctrination. Just saw the breathe seen as we already know, currently rolling through credits. I'm waiting to see if there is anything or any kind of message at the end of the credits (other than the old dude and kid).

STATUS: Waiting/Holding the Line


Just wanted to throw it out there that I loved your use of 'everypony'.

And then yay for holding the line!

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Klejne wrote...

Arphee wrote...

@SirLugash both of those bothered me a great deal as well, the reapers have been doing this every 50k year, harvesting all civilization to create reapers, each reaper is supposed to be indicative of its race, the last cycle harvested the Promethean and their sub-dominant races, yet not a single protean reaper was scene, nor the civilization before them whom had beard testicles like Indiana Jones from POTC. It makes me honestly question if this isn't just a reaper ADVANCED force, the ME universe technically takes place in the same universe as ours slightly in the future.


I think we did see other reapers, it is just not made very clear. At the end of ME2, we saw a reaper "baby"/core being bult at the collector base. Its implied that the the rest of the reaper wasnt bulit yet (which might explain how easily it went down). I'm sure if the reaper was finished, it'd have the same exterior as all other reapers in the game. The insides/cores differ, but the look samey on the outside.

I am aware of that, but I wasn't pointing at the human reaper larva.
I am pointing on the outro video of ME2 where you see the reaper fleet moving in from different angles, there you clearly see different looking reaper ships.

See here: images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110429155353/masseffect/de/images/6/69/Reaper_fleet.png

The middle one with the glowing "eyes" is Harbinger, but what with the rest ?

Modifié par SirLugash, 17 mars 2012 - 04:17 .


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Tr0n01d wrote...

Turian 43rd Marine division barely holding the line in France, taking heavy casualties and surrounded.

We wont go down silently, shall the spirits be with us.


sending asari assist-forces from Germany hold the line!