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[Vandicus]

Hey byne, did you get the PM I sent with videos of Shepard gasping for breath after each shot fired in the destroy ending? IMO its the best evidence we got so far since its something that can't be attributed to bad writing, a glitch, or artistic license.

[alexaka1]

Anyway krogan forces reporting in form Hungary.
Our funds had been cut off, but we are holding the line.
Anyone need assistance?

[AdmiralsJack]

KujaTheDarkOne2 wrote...

byne wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Sefriol wrote...

Lotarion wrote...

ok at this point it is safe to say that our theory was DEAD WRONG. They may yet change the ending our way, but looking on everything they said so far - it was not planned. Funny how fans have created more logical and more deep ending explanation then the writers...

Finally someone is talking sense now.
90% of the opening post can be countered with a few words and other 10% is "possible/maybe", but there is no indication that it is a fact.

so counter away, i'd like to read that.

As would I.

Everyone always says they can easily refute everything, but never actually do.

Also "Bioware isnt that smart" is not a valid refutation. We dont have enough evidence one way or another to decide if they arent that smart or not at this time.

Yeah, I really wish someone would actually refute stuff on a point-by-point basis. Everyone's always just saying Bioware is stupid or saying that it would be pointless to do a point-by-point thing because the fact that Indoctrination is wrong is so obvious.

If it's so obvious then take pity on us poor ignoramuses and spell the obviousness out.

I dont see a reason why Indoctrination can't be...so...hold the line!

[byne]

Sefriol wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Sefriol wrote...

90% of the opening post can be countered with few words and other 10% is "possible/maybe", but there is no indication that it is a fact.

so counter away, i'd like to read that.

It would take so much time that I'm not sure if it's worth it.

How slow do you type?

[Tsuarn]

KujaTheDarkOne2 wrote...

Tsuarn wrote...

KujaTheDarkOne2 wrote...

SirLugash wrote...

Klejne wrote...

Arphee wrote...

@SirLugash both of those bothered me a great deal as well, the reapers have been doing this every 50k year, harvesting all civilization to create reapers, each reaper is supposed to be indicative of its race, the last cycle harvested the Promethean and their sub-dominant races, yet not a single protean reaper was scene, nor the civilization before them whom had beard testicles like Indiana Jones from POTC. It makes me honestly question if this isn't just a reaper ADVANCED force, the ME universe technically takes place in the same universe as ours slightly in the future.

I think we did see other reapers, it is just not made very clear. At the end of ME2, we saw a reaper "baby"/core being bult at the collector base. Its implied that the the rest of the reaper wasnt bulit yet (which might explain how easily it went down). I'm sure if the reaper was finished, it'd have the same exterior as all other reapers in the game. The insides/cores differ, but the look samey on the outside.

I am aware of that, but I wasn't pointing at the human reaper larva.
I am pointing on the outro video of ME2 where you see the reaper fleet moving in from different angles, there you clearly see different looking reaper ships.

See here: images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110429155353/masseffect/de/images/6/69/Reaper_fleet.png

The middle one with the glowing "eyes" is Harbinger, but what with the rest ?

Oh hey, they don't all look the same. I had forgotten Harbinger wasn't the only one that looked different. Now I'm really bothered that they pretty much all look the same in ME3. :/

When you talk to EDI in the AI core doesnt she say something along the lines of "the smaller ones are all the same but the big ones (Like Sovereign and Harbinger) are of unique design. 

You only fight the smaller ones in the game. So they should look alike

Pretty much every big one besides Harbinger that I saw in ME3, and we see a lot of them, looked exactly the same. They all look like Sovereign.

Ah havnt paid much attention to that.  Il keep an eye out while im working on my insanity run


oh and i mentioned it before but the thread moves so dam fast.

Right after the announcement of ME3 and it appeared in one of the gamemagazines (gameinformer i think)
i think i read something about visiting Illium and Omega. So did they cut that? or were those planned as DLC all along?

Modifié par Tsuarn, 17 mars 2012 - 06:12 .

[lex0r11]

Vandicus wrote...

Hey byne, did you get the PM I sent with videos of Shepard gasping for breath after each shot fired in the destroy ending? IMO its the best evidence we got so far since its something that can't be attributed to bad writing, a glitch, or artistic license.

i'd still say it doesn't sound like breathing. maybe at first. sound like the echo of something not natural. my opinion.
but then again, my headset/sound might be just plain bad.

[Kanon777]

The only way to conter IT imo is to say all the clues were made at some point but they scraped the idea.

[byne]

Vandicus wrote...

Hey byne, did you get the PM I sent with videos of Shepard gasping for breath after each shot fired in the destroy ending? IMO its the best evidence we got so far since its something that can't be attributed to bad writing, a glitch, or artistic license.

I got a PM from you, yeah, just havent gotten around to reading my PMs and editing the OP yet.

Have a test on Monday, so I've been studying for that the last few days.

Will likely edit OP again on Monday when I'm done with my test.

[Sefriol]

byne wrote...

Sefriol wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Sefriol wrote...

90% of the opening post can be countered with few words and other 10% is "possible/maybe", but there is no indication that it is a fact.

so counter away, i'd like to read that.

It would take so much time that I'm not sure if it's worth it.

How slow do you type?

English is not my native language. And I would need to think my every word so there would not be misunderstandings. You are already checking my every word to keep your theory up. And I understand it. It's a nice theory.

[Vandicus]

lex0r11 wrote...

Vandicus wrote...

Hey byne, did you get the PM I sent with videos of Shepard gasping for breath after each shot fired in the destroy ending? IMO its the best evidence we got so far since its something that can't be attributed to bad writing, a glitch, or artistic license.

i'd still say it doesn't sound like breathing. maybe at first. sound like the echo of something not natural. my opinion.
but then again, my headset/sound might be just plain bad.

I considered that so I checked male and fem sheps, the sound is different. Deeper breathing for male, lighter for female.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

tobito113 wrote...

The only way to conter IT imo is to say all the clues were made at some point but they scraped the idea.

Yeah, there are to many clues towards Indoctrination and to many holes if you take it at face value for everything to be entirely as it seems.

Anyway, STG team here, forced to fall back towards Copenhagen and beeing boxed in by Reaper forces coming from there, but we will hold the line till the last man falls.

[cyric085]

KujaTheDarkOne2 wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

Really hope they don't just say "Deal with it."

I'm about 50/50. They know by now that the endings are pretty much disliked by the majority of their fanbase, hell, even if it was 30% that is still a lot of people that they would lose.

Most business is done by repeat customers. it is very hard to attract new customers. if they ****** off even 1/4th of their fanbase that can be crippling.

on the other hand they could just rely on the people who just took the endings at face value and went YAY GRIMDARK CAUSE I LIKE TEH GRIMDARK JUST CAUSE IT'S GRIMDARK. And proceed to just write us, the people who may have liked a bittersweet ending, but want logical conclusion to flow from it, off as a "vocal minority"

on topic. Honestly i think they biggest give away is how Shepard's eyes change. both green and Blue lead to him have saren/TIm indoctrinated eyes. Red doesn't show them

I just don't understand how people can genuinely like the ending. It's the gaping plot holes that get me. I can understand somehow enjoying super strange and 'grimdark' endings. But all those plot holes? The relays exploding and NOT destroying every system they're in, how your crew members who had just been running on the ground with you are suddenly on the Normandy, where the hell Joker is running to and why. It just makes no sense. Oh, and Shepard being alive after the Destroy ending, if she had actually been on the Citadel. There's no way she could've survived the Citadel crashing. No way.

universal bioware answer to all the fancomplains about the ending
:wizard::wizard:SPACE MAGIC:wizard::wizard:

[MysticBinary82]

Vandicus wrote...

Hey byne, did you get the PM I sent with videos of Shepard gasping for breath after each shot fired in the destroy ending? IMO its the best evidence we got so far since its something that can't be attributed to bad writing, a glitch, or artistic license.

As I stated before that is a echo effect. No breathing or does you breathing sould like a small can being filled with air?

Germany Is Holding The Line

[ContraMan]

Elenterx wrote...

http://kotaku.com/58...-brings-closure

He speaks of a bittersweet ending.  I don't feel it's a bittersweet ending.  It's a confusing one.  Joker running from battle?  Your LI or best comrade that marched with you down to the conduit walks off of the marooned Normandy?  The entire infrastructure of the game, the Mass Relays, are completely destroyed (excusing space magic that kept them from destroying entire systems) leaving species that more than likely are non-compatible in Earth's orbit?  Other than sufficient "Effective Military Strength" your decisions through the other two games mean basically NOTHING?  Don't even get me started on the Deus Ex Machina plot device...

We're talking about quite a few plotholes that you can drive the Destiny Ascension through.

Sacrifice is inevitable considering the circumstances.  This I cannot deny.  But the letdown and confusion that are the results of endings A, B, or C (with minor variations based on EMS) do not achieve a bittersweet ending.

[lex0r11]

Vandicus wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Vandicus wrote...

Hey byne, did you get the PM I sent with videos of Shepard gasping for breath after each shot fired in the destroy ending? IMO its the best evidence we got so far since its something that can't be attributed to bad writing, a glitch, or artistic license.

i'd still say it doesn't sound like breathing. maybe at first. sound like the echo of something not natural. my opinion.
but then again, my headset/sound might be just plain bad.

I considered that so I checked male and fem sheps, the sound is different. Deeper breathing for male, lighter for female.

hm, that is interesting.
could you link me to both versions? this sounds more than just 'artistic coincidence'.

[Golferguy758]

The only way I coudl really see this as beign debunked is them saying they originally planned to do this, hence all the clues. But at the last minute it was changed to not happen. And they left the clues in there for "speculation"

[Earthborn_Shepard]

Vandicus wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Vandicus wrote...

Hey byne, did you get the PM I sent with videos of Shepard gasping for breath after each shot fired in the destroy ending? IMO its the best evidence we got so far since its something that can't be attributed to bad writing, a glitch, or artistic license.

i'd still say it doesn't sound like breathing. maybe at first. sound like the echo of something not natural. my opinion.
but then again, my headset/sound might be just plain bad.

I considered that so I checked male and fem sheps, the sound is different. Deeper breathing for male, lighter for female.

REALLY? Cause that would make it a BIG piece of evidence.. gotta check that right now

[KujaTheDarkOne2]

Tsuarn wrote...

KujaTheDarkOne2 wrote...

Tsuarn wrote...

KujaTheDarkOne2 wrote...

SirLugash wrote...

Klejne wrote...

Arphee wrote...

@SirLugash both of those bothered me a great deal as well, the reapers have been doing this every 50k year, harvesting all civilization to create reapers, each reaper is supposed to be indicative of its race, the last cycle harvested the Promethean and their sub-dominant races, yet not a single protean reaper was scene, nor the civilization before them whom had beard testicles like Indiana Jones from POTC. It makes me honestly question if this isn't just a reaper ADVANCED force, the ME universe technically takes place in the same universe as ours slightly in the future.

I think we did see other reapers, it is just not made very clear. At the end of ME2, we saw a reaper "baby"/core being bult at the collector base. Its implied that the the rest of the reaper wasnt bulit yet (which might explain how easily it went down). I'm sure if the reaper was finished, it'd have the same exterior as all other reapers in the game. The insides/cores differ, but the look samey on the outside.

I am aware of that, but I wasn't pointing at the human reaper larva.
I am pointing on the outro video of ME2 where you see the reaper fleet moving in from different angles, there you clearly see different looking reaper ships.

See here: images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110429155353/masseffect/de/images/6/69/Reaper_fleet.png

The middle one with the glowing "eyes" is Harbinger, but what with the rest ?

Oh hey, they don't all look the same. I had forgotten Harbinger wasn't the only one that looked different. Now I'm really bothered that they pretty much all look the same in ME3. :/

When you talk to EDI in the AI core doesnt she say something along the lines of "the smaller ones are all the same but the big ones (Like Sovereign and Harbinger) are of unique design. 

You only fight the smaller ones in the game. So they should look alike

Pretty much every big one besides Harbinger that I saw in ME3, and we see a lot of them, looked exactly the same. They all look like Sovereign.

Ah havnt paid much attention to that.  Il keep an eye out while im working on my insanity run


oh and i mentioned it before but the thread moves so dam fast.

Right after the announcement of ME3 and it appeared in one of the gamemagazines (gameinformer i think)
i think i read something about visiting Illium and Omega. So did they cut that? or were those planned as DLC all along?

They definitely cut them, if they'd been planning them before. As to if they'll eventually be DLC? Quite possible. I seem to hear about Omega DLC being a possibility a lot.

But yeah, I haven't noticed any Reaper that doesn't look like Sovereign besides Harbinger in ME3.

@AdmiralsJack Don't worry, I agree! Still holding the line here in Texas!

[Vandicus]

lex0r11 wrote...

Vandicus wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Vandicus wrote...

Hey byne, did you get the PM I sent with videos of Shepard gasping for breath after each shot fired in the destroy ending? IMO its the best evidence we got so far since its something that can't be attributed to bad writing, a glitch, or artistic license.

i'd still say it doesn't sound like breathing. maybe at first. sound like the echo of something not natural. my opinion.
but then again, my headset/sound might be just plain bad.

I considered that so I checked male and fem sheps, the sound is different. Deeper breathing for male, lighter for female.

hm, that is interesting.
could you link me to both versions? this sounds more than just 'artistic coincidence'.

 
6:05 here 

and 
 

first part there

[FrostByte-GER]

WTF? "The mass effect server isn't available at the moment" -.-

[Earthborn_Shepard]

Vandicus wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Vandicus wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Vandicus wrote...

Hey byne, did you get the PM I sent with videos of Shepard gasping for breath after each shot fired in the destroy ending? IMO its the best evidence we got so far since its something that can't be attributed to bad writing, a glitch, or artistic license.

i'd still say it doesn't sound like breathing. maybe at first. sound like the echo of something not natural. my opinion.
but then again, my headset/sound might be just plain bad.

I considered that so I checked male and fem sheps, the sound is different. Deeper breathing for male, lighter for female.

hm, that is interesting.
could you link me to both versions? this sounds more than just 'artistic coincidence'.

 
6:05 here 

and 
 

first part there

To me they sound identical

[luukee]

KujaTheDarkOne2 wrote...

Tsuarn wrote...

KujaTheDarkOne2 wrote...

Tsuarn wrote...

KujaTheDarkOne2 wrote...

SirLugash wrote...

Klejne wrote...

Arphee wrote...

@SirLugash both of those bothered me a great deal as well, the reapers have been doing this every 50k year, harvesting all civilization to create reapers, each reaper is supposed to be indicative of its race, the last cycle harvested the Promethean and their sub-dominant races, yet not a single protean reaper was scene, nor the civilization before them whom had beard testicles like Indiana Jones from POTC. It makes me honestly question if this isn't just a reaper ADVANCED force, the ME universe technically takes place in the same universe as ours slightly in the future.

I think we did see other reapers, it is just not made very clear. At the end of ME2, we saw a reaper "baby"/core being bult at the collector base. Its implied that the the rest of the reaper wasnt bulit yet (which might explain how easily it went down). I'm sure if the reaper was finished, it'd have the same exterior as all other reapers in the game. The insides/cores differ, but the look samey on the outside.

I am aware of that, but I wasn't pointing at the human reaper larva.
I am pointing on the outro video of ME2 where you see the reaper fleet moving in from different angles, there you clearly see different looking reaper ships.

See here: images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110429155353/masseffect/de/images/6/69/Reaper_fleet.png

The middle one with the glowing "eyes" is Harbinger, but what with the rest ?

Oh hey, they don't all look the same. I had forgotten Harbinger wasn't the only one that looked different. Now I'm really bothered that they pretty much all look the same in ME3. :/

When you talk to EDI in the AI core doesnt she say something along the lines of "the smaller ones are all the same but the big ones (Like Sovereign and Harbinger) are of unique design. 

You only fight the smaller ones in the game. So they should look alike

Pretty much every big one besides Harbinger that I saw in ME3, and we see a lot of them, looked exactly the same. They all look like Sovereign.

Ah havnt paid much attention to that.  Il keep an eye out while im working on my insanity run


oh and i mentioned it before but the thread moves so dam fast.

Right after the announcement of ME3 and it appeared in one of the gamemagazines (gameinformer i think)
i think i read something about visiting Illium and Omega. So did they cut that? or were those planned as DLC all along?

They definitely cut them, if they'd been planning them before. As to if they'll eventually be DLC? Quite possible. I seem to hear about Omega DLC being a possibility a lot.

But yeah, I haven't noticed any Reaper that doesn't look like Sovereign besides Harbinger in ME3.

@AdmiralsJack Don't worry, I agree! Still holding the line here in Texas!

There is a reaper in that picture linked earlier that shows a different design Reaper. It's next to Harbinger, it looks like a scarab or a beetle.

[AdmiralsJack]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Vandicus wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Vandicus wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Vandicus wrote...

Hey byne, did you get the PM I sent with videos of Shepard gasping for breath after each shot fired in the destroy ending? IMO its the best evidence we got so far since its something that can't be attributed to bad writing, a glitch, or artistic license.

i'd still say it doesn't sound like breathing. maybe at first. sound like the echo of something not natural. my opinion.
but then again, my headset/sound might be just plain bad.

I considered that so I checked male and fem sheps, the sound is different. Deeper breathing for male, lighter for female.

hm, that is interesting.
could you link me to both versions? this sounds more than just 'artistic coincidence'.

 
6:05 here 

and 
 

first part there

To me they sound identical

i'm not sure can be both...

[Tailen]

Lotarion wrote...

ok at this point it is safe to say that our theory was DEAD WRONG. They may yet change the ending our way, but looking on everything they said so far - it was not planned. Funny how fans have created more logical and more deep ending explanation then the writers...

That's where you're wrong.  The theory is based on everything that's there, not things which are not.  The theory is the indoctrination itself -- not how that may or may not translate into future content.

Everything about this ending was deliberate; a creation of the writers.  We picked up on the clues they left us.

It's that simple.  Frankly, it's blatant.  I'm well beyond the point of considering this a theory.

Let's put it this way... the whole "gathering every fleet in the galaxy to take down the evil empire" angle is something we've all seen a thousand times before, in some form.  There was never any doubt that Shepard could rally the forces, and that those forces could defeat the Reapers.  As all-powerful and threatening as they may seem, that battle will always end in some kind of victory for the good guys.

However, the battle for who Shepard is -- the core of his (or her) being, his very humanity; his will.  The battle for Shepard's mind.  That's the battle they've been building toward since the first mission of ME1.  Indoctrination was always the bigger threat -- the biggest threat.

In my opinion, if Shepard can beat indoctrination he can beat the Reapers.  I'm proud of them for giving that the attention it deserves.  Otherwise indoctrination is just that word they throw around; that reason they have people shoot themselves in the head.

Can they still show the big fleet-on-fleet, epic battle to break the cycle?  Sure.  Did they ever intend to?  Hard to say.  I think more people care about the simple closure -- the characters they care about enjoying the peace they fought so hard to attain.  I'm not sure if they can show that without everything after the moment Shepard takes a sharp breath in the rubble.

In my mind, all of that already played out.  In my mind, Shepard resisting indoctrination is equivalent to Shepard defeating the Reapers, and thus the hard-fought peace has been earned and the war is over.  I can fill in the blanks.

That said, I wouldn't complain one bit about seeing it all play out 

[KujaTheDarkOne2]

luukee wrote...

KujaTheDarkOne2 wrote...

Tsuarn wrote...

KujaTheDarkOne2 wrote...

Tsuarn wrote...

KujaTheDarkOne2 wrote...

SirLugash wrote...

Klejne wrote...

Arphee wrote...

@SirLugash both of those bothered me a great deal as well, the reapers have been doing this every 50k year, harvesting all civilization to create reapers, each reaper is supposed to be indicative of its race, the last cycle harvested the Promethean and their sub-dominant races, yet not a single protean reaper was scene, nor the civilization before them whom had beard testicles like Indiana Jones from POTC. It makes me honestly question if this isn't just a reaper ADVANCED force, the ME universe technically takes place in the same universe as ours slightly in the future.

I think we did see other reapers, it is just not made very clear. At the end of ME2, we saw a reaper "baby"/core being bult at the collector base. Its implied that the the rest of the reaper wasnt bulit yet (which might explain how easily it went down). I'm sure if the reaper was finished, it'd have the same exterior as all other reapers in the game. The insides/cores differ, but the look samey on the outside.

I am aware of that, but I wasn't pointing at the human reaper larva.
I am pointing on the outro video of ME2 where you see the reaper fleet moving in from different angles, there you clearly see different looking reaper ships.

See here: images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110429155353/masseffect/de/images/6/69/Reaper_fleet.png

The middle one with the glowing "eyes" is Harbinger, but what with the rest ?

Oh hey, they don't all look the same. I had forgotten Harbinger wasn't the only one that looked different. Now I'm really bothered that they pretty much all look the same in ME3. :/

When you talk to EDI in the AI core doesnt she say something along the lines of "the smaller ones are all the same but the big ones (Like Sovereign and Harbinger) are of unique design. 

You only fight the smaller ones in the game. So they should look alike

Pretty much every big one besides Harbinger that I saw in ME3, and we see a lot of them, looked exactly the same. They all look like Sovereign.

Ah havnt paid much attention to that.  Il keep an eye out while im working on my insanity run


oh and i mentioned it before but the thread moves so dam fast.

Right after the announcement of ME3 and it appeared in one of the gamemagazines (gameinformer i think)
i think i read something about visiting Illium and Omega. So did they cut that? or were those planned as DLC all along?

They definitely cut them, if they'd been planning them before. As to if they'll eventually be DLC? Quite possible. I seem to hear about Omega DLC being a possibility a lot.

But yeah, I haven't noticed any Reaper that doesn't look like Sovereign besides Harbinger in ME3.

@AdmiralsJack Don't worry, I agree! Still holding the line here in Texas!

There is a reaper in that picture linked earlier that shows a different design Reaper. It's next to Harbinger, it looks like a scarab or a beetle.

Yeah, but that pic is from the end of ME2. I haven't noticed any scarab beetle Reapers in ME3.

Modifié par KujaTheDarkOne2, 17 mars 2012 - 06:25 .