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[Tailen]

lex0r11 wrote...

Vandicus wrote...

Hey byne, did you get the PM I sent with videos of Shepard gasping for breath after each shot fired in the destroy ending? IMO its the best evidence we got so far since its something that can't be attributed to bad writing, a glitch, or artistic license.

i'd still say it doesn't sound like breathing. maybe at first. sound like the echo of something not natural. my opinion.
but then again, my headset/sound might be just plain bad.

I think it sounds like breathing that they ran a few filters over to make it sound just enough unlike breathing to avoid being completely obvious.

It shouldn't be an echo in that space -- acoustically it doesn't make sense, and nothing else seems to echo.  And when I listened to it, it was only in the left channel... sounded quite out of place.

My vote is on breathing.  It doesn't stand as much on its own, but among all of the other evidence it seems highly likely.

[Vandicus]

Try listening for a difference in breath "speeds". To me the female one sounds much sharper and more abrupt while the male one sounds slower and deeper.

[Tailen]

KujaTheDarkOne2 wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

Really hope they don't just say "Deal with it."

I'm about 50/50. They know by now that the endings are pretty much disliked by the majority of their fanbase, hell, even if it was 30% that is still a lot of people that they would lose.

Most business is done by repeat customers. it is very hard to attract new customers. if they ****** off even 1/4th of their fanbase that can be crippling.

on the other hand they could just rely on the people who just took the endings at face value and went YAY GRIMDARK CAUSE I LIKE TEH GRIMDARK JUST CAUSE IT'S GRIMDARK. And proceed to just write us, the people who may have liked a bittersweet ending, but want logical conclusion to flow from it, off as a "vocal minority"

on topic. Honestly i think they biggest give away is how Shepard's eyes change. both green and Blue lead to him have saren/TIm indoctrinated eyes. Red doesn't show them

I just don't understand how people can genuinely like the ending. It's the gaping plot holes that get me. I can understand somehow enjoying super strange and 'grimdark' endings. But all those plot holes? The relays exploding and NOT destroying every system they're in, how your crew members who had just been running on the ground with you are suddenly on the Normandy, where the hell Joker is running to and why. It just makes no sense. Oh, and Shepard being alive after the Destroy ending, if she had actually been on the Citadel. There's no way she could've survived the Citadel crashing. No way.

The plot holes are simply a device; clues.  Something to warn you that it's all "off", the same way Shepard would be feeling.  The same warning his mind would be screaming at him all along -- trying to snap out of it.  Trying to wake up. Nothing in that ending is meant to feel right.

I haven't seen a single plot hole yet that isn't a strong argument for the indoctrination theory.  It feels off because it is off.  Deliberately.

[Sefriol]

For me those sounds in the destruction video are like error/warning sounds. Not breathing. I Might miss something.

Modifié par Sefriol, 17 mars 2012 - 06:34 .

[Maegorod]

edit: nevermind, wrong part.

Modifié par Maegorod, 17 mars 2012 - 06:50 .

[KappaOmicron]

MysticBinary82 wrote...

Vandicus wrote...

Hey byne, did you get the PM I sent with videos of Shepard gasping for breath after each shot fired in the destroy ending? IMO its the best evidence we got so far since its something that can't be attributed to bad writing, a glitch, or artistic license.

As I stated before that is a echo effect. No breathing or does you breathing sould like a small can being filled with air?

Germany Is Holding The Line

I'm not sure I agree with you on that one. I think it was a gasp of air, you know the kind you would do if you woke up suddenly from a nightmare or something. It's the shock of waking up so suddenly that makes you gasp for air like that.

Plus it literally cuts off the moment that first gasp happens, so you wouldn't hear anymore breathing or coughing after waking up after being knocked out on your butt after a blast like that.

EDIT:

You even see his/her chest expand while he/she gasps. I'm sorry but if anyone doesn't think that was Shepard gasping for breath... I don't even.

EDIT EDIT:

I apologise I misread, I'm going to go restart the Citadel so I can add my opinion on if it sounds like breathing on not.

Modifié par KappaOmicron, 17 mars 2012 - 06:43 .

[Vandicus]

Sefriol wrote...

For me those sound in the destruction video are like error/warning sounds. Not breathing. I Might miss something.

Just curious what you meant by error warning sounds. If you mean that its a warning of the tube breaking or something, the breathing also happens any time after the conversation with the god child when shepard shoots his gun(doesn't need to be shooting at the tubes) or reloads(which I thought was a bit odd in itself).

[Saile]

Tailen wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Vandicus wrote...

Hey byne, did you get the PM I sent with videos of Shepard gasping for breath after each shot fired in the destroy ending? IMO its the best evidence we got so far since its something that can't be attributed to bad writing, a glitch, or artistic license.

i'd still say it doesn't sound like breathing. maybe at first. sound like the echo of something not natural. my opinion.
but then again, my headset/sound might be just plain bad.

I think it sounds like breathing that they ran a few filters over to make it sound just enough unlike breathing to avoid being completely obvious.

It shouldn't be an echo in that space -- acoustically it doesn't make sense, and nothing else seems to echo.  And when I listened to it, it was only in the left channel... sounded quite out of place.

My vote is on breathing.  It doesn't stand as much on its own, but among all of the other evidence it seems highly likely.

It sounds much more like an echo to me. While the sounds are different for femshep and maleshep, everything said in the scene echoes (listen closely to Star Kid's and Shepard's speech, if it's not already obvious). It's interesting that they used two different sounds, though.
I thought that the star kid's speech, when it echoes, actually sounds like words playing backwards, at first. But listening a litle more closely, I'm quite sure it's also just an echo.

[N7L4D]

Lol thought this was funny

Anyways hold the line
Indoctrination theory FTW!!!

[Vandicus]

Sailers wrote...

Tailen wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Vandicus wrote...

Hey byne, did you get the PM I sent with videos of Shepard gasping for breath after each shot fired in the destroy ending? IMO its the best evidence we got so far since its something that can't be attributed to bad writing, a glitch, or artistic license.

i'd still say it doesn't sound like breathing. maybe at first. sound like the echo of something not natural. my opinion.
but then again, my headset/sound might be just plain bad.

I think it sounds like breathing that they ran a few filters over to make it sound just enough unlike breathing to avoid being completely obvious.

It shouldn't be an echo in that space -- acoustically it doesn't make sense, and nothing else seems to echo.  And when I listened to it, it was only in the left channel... sounded quite out of place.

My vote is on breathing.  It doesn't stand as much on its own, but among all of the other evidence it seems highly likely.

It sounds much more like an echo to me. While the sounds are different for femshep and maleshep, everything said in the scene echoes (listen closely to Star Kid's and Shepard's speech, if it's not already obvious). It's interesting that they used two different sounds, though.
I thought that the star kid's speech, when it echoes, actually sounds like words playing backwards, at first. But listening a litle more closely, I'm quite sure it's also just an echo.

The starkid's voice has already been analyzed and confirmed to be new voice+femshep voice+maleshep(the softest of the three voices)

[Arielle999]

Vandicus wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Vandicus wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Vandicus wrote...

Hey byne, did you get the PM I sent with videos of Shepard gasping for breath after each shot fired in the destroy ending? IMO its the best evidence we got so far since its something that can't be attributed to bad writing, a glitch, or artistic license.

i'd still say it doesn't sound like breathing. maybe at first. sound like the echo of something not natural. my opinion.
but then again, my headset/sound might be just plain bad.

I considered that so I checked male and fem sheps, the sound is different. Deeper breathing for male, lighter for female.

hm, that is interesting.
could you link me to both versions? this sounds more than just 'artistic coincidence'.

 
6:05 here 

and 
 

first part there

If you pause them right after the breath you can see that the chest pieces also look different for male/female Sheps.  Female's have what I can only assume would be a burned up boob chest plate

[AdmiralsJack]

N7L4D wrote...



Lol thought this was funny

Anyways hold the line
Indoctrination theory FTW!!!

lol :-D

Never give up holding the line for Indoctrination Theory!

[Ghrelt]

Glad to see this thread is still going. I must admit I felt pretty deflated by the official statements from Bioware employees yesterday, but today the logic wins out again. (Sometimes I feel like I'm just clapping my hands saying "I DO believe in fairies." but whatever...) Still hoping this is a ballsy publicity stunt/social experiment and that we're going to get the real ending soon.

Still holding the line!

[ArkkAngel007]

Sefriol wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Sefriol wrote...

Lotarion wrote...

ok at this point it is safe to say that our theory was DEAD WRONG. They may yet change the ending our way, but looking on everything they said so far - it was not planned. Funny how fans have created more logical and more deep ending explanation then the writers...

Finally someone is talking sense now.
90% of the opening post can be countered with few words and other 10% is "possible/maybe", but there is no indication that it is a fact.

so counter away, i'd like to read that.

It would take so much time that I'm not sure if it's worth it. And I'm not sure if I would get anything changed by doing that. Everyone has their own opinions and Bioware employers have said that they could have not done better than the whole thread has put it out. As said. Even if this kind of ending would come out some day. I doubt that it was planned.

It would take so much time to write the "few words" to debunk it?  Right.

And no one says it's fact.  Those that are need to step back a little bit.

[Saile]

Vandicus wrote...

Sailers wrote...

Tailen wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Vandicus wrote...

Hey byne, did you get the PM I sent with videos of Shepard gasping for breath after each shot fired in the destroy ending? IMO its the best evidence we got so far since its something that can't be attributed to bad writing, a glitch, or artistic license.

i'd still say it doesn't sound like breathing. maybe at first. sound like the echo of something not natural. my opinion.
but then again, my headset/sound might be just plain bad.

I think it sounds like breathing that they ran a few filters over to make it sound just enough unlike breathing to avoid being completely obvious.

It shouldn't be an echo in that space -- acoustically it doesn't make sense, and nothing else seems to echo.  And when I listened to it, it was only in the left channel... sounded quite out of place.

My vote is on breathing.  It doesn't stand as much on its own, but among all of the other evidence it seems highly likely.

It sounds much more like an echo to me. While the sounds are different for femshep and maleshep, everything said in the scene echoes (listen closely to Star Kid's and Shepard's speech, if it's not already obvious). It's interesting that they used two different sounds, though.
I thought that the star kid's speech, when it echoes, actually sounds like words playing backwards, at first. But listening a litle more closely, I'm quite sure it's also just an echo.

The starkid's voice has already been analyzed and confirmed to be new voice+femshep voice+maleshep(the softest of the three voices)

Ah- I mean that when the catalyst speaks, you do indeed hear three voices at the same time, but that in the echo you hear shortly afterwards, there was reversed speech. After paying more attention to it, however, I noticed that the echo's just different from Shepard's, and that I was just imagining it.

[Henkovich]

Sweden here. Holding the line the land of the geats!

[Tailen]

Vandicus wrote...

Try listening for a difference in breath "speeds". To me the female one sounds much sharper and more abrupt while the male one sounds slower and deeper.

I hear the exact same sound, to be honest, and neither matches the one in the rubble (though it wouldn't have to).

Actually, I was just listening closer and I don't think it's meant to be a breath now.



Listen to the 2nd shot in this one.  You hear SHOT > "BREATH SOUND" > "OTHER" SOUND, where the breath and the 'other' play in the left channel, and there's a more definitive ricochet/echo in the right channel which the 'other sound' syncs up with perfectly.  That 'other sound' is a weird, rythmic "plew plunk" or something and it plays every time.  The more I pick apart the sounds, the less that second sound seems like breathing.

I like the idea -- it would be very symbolic -- but I just don't think it's there.

[SirLugash]

This was posted in the comments section of the Kotaku article: www.youtube.com/watch
Nicely done.
What got my attention in this video was the part where Shepard takes breath (that little part from the "best" ending).
It's different from other videos I've seen, I guess it is enhanced or something like that.
Anyways, in that video it just looks like Shepard is lying in that pile of rubble -> in front of the conduit <-, the surroundings look like they reflect it's bright light.

€dit: Included wrong video, fixed it.

Modifié par SirLugash, 17 mars 2012 - 06:58 .

[Sefriol]

Vandicus wrote...

Sefriol wrote...

For me those sound in the destruction video are like error/warning sounds. Not breathing. I Might miss something.

Just curious what you meant by error warning sounds. If you mean that its a warning of the tube breaking or something, the breathing also happens any time after the conversation with the god child when shepard shoots his gun(doesn't need to be shooting at the tubes) or reloads(which I thought was a bit odd in itself).

When he is shooting the tube I hear just error/warning sounds when the "bullet" hits the tube. When Shep is shooting other than the tube the voice is a litle bit different, but I think it's because of coding, since gun is not used other than killing the tube. Sound source is the tube because when you go closer and closer to the tube it gets stronger and stronger. If this was the sound you were talking about, I don't think it goes with your theory.

[GunMoth]

To everyone saying it isn't a gasp for air/breathing: Take a deep breath and watch your chest. The way that the respiratory system works (air flowing in / out of the lungs) is based on pressure. Your chest expands when you breath in.

In the clip at the end of the destroy ending, we see the "n7 armor" expand at the same moment the "gasping noise" occurs.

If it was 'just a noise' that wouldn't make sense as to why Shep's body moves.

The gasping / enhaling occurring after the body is motionless definitely hints at shock or regaining consciousness.

[Vandicus]

Sefriol wrote...

Vandicus wrote...

Sefriol wrote...

For me those sound in the destruction video are like error/warning sounds. Not breathing. I Might miss something.

Just curious what you meant by error warning sounds. If you mean that its a warning of the tube breaking or something, the breathing also happens any time after the conversation with the god child when shepard shoots his gun(doesn't need to be shooting at the tubes) or reloads(which I thought was a bit odd in itself).

When he is shooting the tube I hear just error/warning sounds when the "bullet" hits the tube. When Shep is shooting other than the tube the voice is a litle bit different, but I think it's because of coding, since gun is not used other than killing the tube. Sound source is the tube because when you go closer and closer to the tube it gets stronger and stronger. If this was the sound you were talking about, I don't think it goes with your theory.

Are you trying to say the impact causes the echo? Because the sound will happen even if shep doesn't aim at the tube and isn't close to it, I've tried shooting into empty space and random directions with the gun.

[Tsuarn]

GunMoth wrote...

To everyone saying it isn't a gasp for air/breathing: Take a deep breath and watch your chest. The way that the respiratory system works (air flowing in / out of the lungs) is based on pressure. Your chest expands when you breath in.

In the clip at the end of the destroy ending, we see the "n7 armor" expand at the same moment the "gasping noise" occurs.

If it was 'just a noise' that wouldn't make sense as to why Shep's body moves.

The gasping / enhaling occurring after the body is motionless definitely hints at shock or regaining consciousness.

when (s)he wakes up it sounds like when you wake up from a bad dream. That was the first clue for me that it was all just a dream

[Earthborn_Shepard]

GunMoth wrote...

To everyone saying it isn't a gasp for air/breathing: Take a deep breath and watch your chest. The way that the respiratory system works (air flowing in / out of the lungs) is based on pressure. Your chest expands when you breath in.

In the clip at the end of the destroy ending, we see the "n7 armor" expand at the same moment the "gasping noise" occurs.

If it was 'just a noise' that wouldn't make sense as to why Shep's body moves.

The gasping / enhaling occurring after the body is motionless definitely hints at shock or regaining consciousness.

We're not talking about the "Shepard lives"-ending, everybody knows it's supposed to be a breath. We're talking about wether or not you can hear breaths when Shep shoots the tubes

[Tailen]

GunMoth wrote...

To everyone saying it isn't a gasp for air/breathing: Take a deep breath and watch your chest. The way that the respiratory system works (air flowing in / out of the lungs) is based on pressure. Your chest expands when you breath in.

In the clip at the end of the destroy ending, we see the "n7 armor" expand at the same moment the "gasping noise" occurs.

If it was 'just a noise' that wouldn't make sense as to why Shep's body moves.

The gasping / enhaling occurring after the body is motionless definitely hints at shock or regaining consciousness.

Something got out of hand here, but no one is disputing the clip of Shepard in the rubble.

We were analyzing the sound made after each gunshot made as soon as you choose the "Destroy" ending.

As heard here: 
 

[lilOphelia]

Tailen wrote...

GunMoth wrote...

To everyone saying it isn't a gasp for air/breathing: Take a deep breath and watch your chest. The way that the respiratory system works (air flowing in / out of the lungs) is based on pressure. Your chest expands when you breath in.

In the clip at the end of the destroy ending, we see the "n7 armor" expand at the same moment the "gasping noise" occurs.

If it was 'just a noise' that wouldn't make sense as to why Shep's body moves.

The gasping / enhaling occurring after the body is motionless definitely hints at shock or regaining consciousness.

Something got out of hand here, but no one is disputing the clip of Shepard in the rubble.

We were analyzing the sound made after each gunshot made as soon as you choose the "Destroy" ending.

As heard here: 
 

I have to admit, the sounds after firing the gun and the inhale before the credits sound darned similar. Grapsing at emergency induction ports here, but it almost gives a feeling like each shot taken at the tube is Shep coming out of it a litttle bit more.