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[ba0987]

Really well written article on

http://www.gamefront...fans-are-right/

And another on forbes, get their page views up guys...

[Sefriol]

byne wrote...

Sefriol wrote...

Reapers gave TIM powers to control minds and bodies of Shepard and Anderson at some level. Same way they gave powers to Saren.

Except they never gave any such powers to Saren.

Even Benezia mentions it was Saren's ship (Sovereign) that caused the indoctrination.

Maybe because TIM was capable for such things and Saren was not. I can't give you a straight answer to that.

KujaTheDarkOne2 wrote...

The Citadel doesn't look the same, though. Or rather, different parts of it look like different parts of other places.

You've really only tried to explain why the Citadel looks like it does (which you've failed at and phrased confusingly), and the scene with TIM, which honestly, is the part of the ending most of us have the least amount of problems with.

So yeah. Add more about the starchild, please. That's really where the ending completely goes bad.

 

Reapers may have harvested that from other world or are shifting it for their own purposes. The reason why some textures and models look a same might be because BW reuses some of them. Making new textures and models uses a lot of time.

Do you refer Starchild as a Catalyst or as the guy after the credits?

Catalyst voice was and figure was explained a few pages ago by me and some other posters. In short he uses appearance and voice which are familiar to us. Same way the "Geth brain" (I don't remember the mission, but you might know what I'm talking about) used to. Catalyst seems to be Overmind of all reapers. There are some parts which BW has left to be as mystery. Maybe future game in Mass Effect Universe will reveal us more of it.


And special thanks to 
FalconRising, you saved me a lot of time when you put that text out.

To your questions:
-Things I don't have answers forHow Anderson got to the panel before you.
Maybe Shepard was past out for some time and Anderson woke up faster than him and didn't see him in the room.How the Normandy is making a mass relay jump when it should be supporting Shepard on Earth. How your squad suddenly got aboard the Normandy.
This is one of the things I don't want to say anything, because it was the part of the ending I didn't like at all. Of course you can get some kind of answer to this, but why BW did it this way? I have no idea.
Why there are human letters/numbers in a part of the citadel no organic has ever been to before.
Reapers might have added some salvaged technology there / it's just reusing some models / textures.

Why we, the players, are seeing cutscenes of things that might only apply to a hallucinated game world.
Might be because of Shepard's condition. I'm not 100% accurate which you are refering to.

[pinkandblack84]

Been reading most of this since i beat the game a few days ago and a lot of very good points are made. For me personally i was happy with the way things turned out in my first play through i went with the "destroy" ending and also got the cut scene with shep breathing in the end. So for me i was happy with how it turned out however i would've liked some more closure on what really happens next that was left a little too vague in the ending imo. And since reading this thread the indoctrination scenario makes a lot of sense to me. When i was playing the game i was actually telling myself that the final scene with the starchild was really way off base and it didn't feel right now i kind of feel vindicated by reading this thread so until Bioware make some DLC with more closure...

I WILL BE ALSO HOLDING THE LINE.

(Sorry if i waffled on a bit there lol)

[Raze4573]

Kirrahe must be proud of us, holding the line like this.

[JustifiablyDefenestrated]

Did anyone else notice that after Shepard shot Anderson, s/he started bleeding in exactly the same place? It might be taking the theory too far, but I don't think s/he was bleeding there before Anderson was shot...

[KujaTheDarkOne2]

AdmiralsJack wrote...

FrostByte-GER wrote...

AdmiralsJack wrote...

FrostByte-GER wrote...

Statusupdate from Bremen..BioWare Reapers falling back. It's so calm here at the moment...but the casualties are so high...god all these corpses. I've lost 21 Companies and 8 divisions...this is so terrible. Any updates from Berlin or London or the USA? I lost the contact to them 6 hours ago...

anyway: some tweets from BioWare?

Statusupdate from Colonia: Holding the line against Space Magic

ROFL yeah... it's just Space magic and marauder shields...

Marauder Shields was a great hero trying to protect us against this Space Magic and I honour his sacrifice^^

Never forget Marauder Shields and his sacrifice. Never. Forget.

[AdmiralsJack]

Raze4573 wrote...

Kirrahe must be proud of us, holding the line like this.

in his next battle he will remember and talk about us holding the line against space magic

[Raze4573]

Kirrahe said he would help retake Earth. Imagine him being in a Closure DLC telling a group of anonymous soldier "You held the line!" I would so feel thats about us XD

[Dwailing]

FrostByte-GER wrote...

Statusupdate from Bremen..BioWare Reapers falling back. It's so calm here at the moment...but the casualties are so high...god all these corpses. I've lost 21 Companies and 8 divisions...this is so terrible. Any updates from Berlin or London or the USA? I lost the contact to them 6 hours ago...

anyway: some tweets from BioWare?

No news on Bioware (as far as I know).  I'm in Louisville in the US and I'm holding the line here.  Although, there are moments where I wonder if it's all worth it.  Maybe this is all for nothing... no, I must not think like that, I will not let the Reapers win.  I will not give up, and I will destroy them, whatever the hypothetical cost, because I know that is the only way to truely be free.  Hold the line everyone!

[Vandicus]

JustifiablyDefenestrated wrote...

Did anyone else notice that after Shepard shot Anderson, s/he started bleeding in exactly the same place? It might be taking the theory too far, but I don't think s/he was bleeding there before Anderson was shot...

It always bothered me that Anderson didn't actually have any injuries on him after being shot, but I assumed that it was just lazy programming. The hole in Shepard's stomach well that... 

[Dwailing]

KujaTheDarkOne2 wrote...

AdmiralsJack wrote...

FrostByte-GER wrote...

AdmiralsJack wrote...

FrostByte-GER wrote...

Statusupdate from Bremen..BioWare Reapers falling back. It's so calm here at the moment...but the casualties are so high...god all these corpses. I've lost 21 Companies and 8 divisions...this is so terrible. Any updates from Berlin or London or the USA? I lost the contact to them 6 hours ago...

anyway: some tweets from BioWare?

Statusupdate from Colonia: Holding the line against Space Magic

ROFL yeah... it's just Space magic and marauder shields...

Marauder Shields was a great hero trying to protect us against this Space Magic and I honour his sacrifice^^

Never forget Marauder Shields and his sacrifice. Never. Forget.

I!  Will!  Never!  Forget!  (Kicks random husk into bottomless pit)  Any word on Rooster Teeth and whether they will make a Marauder Shields machinima?

Modifié par Dwailing, 17 mars 2012 - 09:08 .

[wantedman dan]

Dwailing wrote...

No news on Bioware (as far as I know).  I'm in Louisville in the US and I'm holding the line here.  Although, there are moments where I wonder if it's all worth it.  Maybe this is all for nothing... no, I must not think like that, I will not let the Reapers win.  I will not give up, and I will destroy them, whatever the hypothetical cost, because I know that is the only way to truely be free.  Hold the line everyone!

Do Kirrahe proud: keep holding the line, because the cost isn't hypothetical. If BioWare gets away with anything but a free expansion, giving us the ending we deserve, they have effectively created the worst trend in modern gaming history.

[Crusina]

Vandicus wrote...

JustifiablyDefenestrated wrote...

Did anyone else notice that after Shepard shot Anderson, s/he started bleeding in exactly the same place? It might be taking the theory too far, but I don't think s/he was bleeding there before Anderson was shot...

It always bothered me that Anderson didn't actually have any injuries on him after being shot, but I assumed that it was just lazy programming. The hole in Shepard's stomach well that... 

I was just thinking that, in keeping in with the indoctrination/hallucination line of thinking.


Shepard would have shot her/his-self trying to fight against the indoctrination. Or something akin to that. If that all played out in your head, that's something I could see shepard doing instead of just giving in.

[People4Peace]

Vandicus wrote...

JustifiablyDefenestrated wrote...

Did anyone else notice that after Shepard shot Anderson, s/he started bleeding in exactly the same place? It might be taking the theory too far, but I don't think s/he was bleeding there before Anderson was shot...

It always bothered me that Anderson didn't actually have any injuries on him after being shot, but I assumed that it was just lazy programming. The hole in Shepard's stomach well that... 

Pretty much. It can support the Indoctrination theory or it shows how bad/lazy their programming was....but again, I think it's further evidence for the Indoct. theory. *crosses fingers*

[GrendelPryyme]

I realy loved the ending of the 3rd one....oh wait i was talking about gears of war.I did not like the ending and even before the forums when i beat it i felt like somthing was not right or somthing was up.They would have got away with it to if it was not for us medling kids.

[Knut0]

To people asking why there are human letters on the citadel in the end-game:

You have noticed that in all games there have been human letters all around the citadel, and on alien plantes not inhabited by humans. So I believe that the "1m1" you see when you are on the citadel is just there as something to spice up the backgroud.

Although, I could be wrong...

[Dwailing]

wantedman dan wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

No news on Bioware (as far as I know).  I'm in Louisville in the US and I'm holding the line here.  Although, there are moments where I wonder if it's all worth it.  Maybe this is all for nothing... no, I must not think like that, I will not let the Reapers win.  I will not give up, and I will destroy them, whatever the hypothetical cost, because I know that is the only way to truely be free.  Hold the line everyone!

Do Kirrahe proud: keep holding the line, because the cost isn't hypothetical. If BioWare gets away with anything but a free expansion, giving us the ending we deserve, they have effectively created the worst trend in modern gaming history.

The hypothetical cost I was refering to was the loss of all synthetic life in the galaxy after the Destroy ending.  Still, I agree, and I will hold the line!

[turian_rage]

If this is true, Harbinger is the most villainous villain in all of anything. And quite the troll, as well!

[Raze4573]

Shepard shooting himself reminds me of the last Supernatural episodes where Sam intentionally causes himself pain to realize whats real and whats just in his head. Makes sense in Indoctrination theory.

[KujaTheDarkOne2]

Sefriol wrote...

byne wrote...

Sefriol wrote...

Reapers gave TIM powers to control minds and bodies of Shepard and Anderson at some level. Same way they gave powers to Saren.

Except they never gave any such powers to Saren.

Even Benezia mentions it was Saren's ship (Sovereign) that caused the indoctrination.

Maybe because TIM was capable for such things and Saren was not. I can't give you a straight answer to that.

KujaTheDarkOne2 wrote...

The Citadel doesn't look the same, though. Or rather, different parts of it look like different parts of other places.

You've really only tried to explain why the Citadel looks like it does (which you've failed at and phrased confusingly), and the scene with TIM, which honestly, is the part of the ending most of us have the least amount of problems with.

So yeah. Add more about the starchild, please. That's really where the ending completely goes bad.

 

Reapers may have harvested that from other world or are shifting it for their own purposes. The reason why some textures and models look a same might be because BW reuses some of them. Making new textures and models uses a lot of time.

Do you refer Starchild as a Catalyst or as the guy after the credits?

Catalyst voice was and figure was explained a few pages ago by me and some other posters. In short he uses appearance and voice which are familiar to us. Same way the "Geth brain" (I don't remember the mission, but you might know what I'm talking about) used to. Catalyst seems to be Overmind of all reapers. There are some parts which BW has left to be as mystery. Maybe future game in Mass Effect Universe will reveal us more of it.


And special thanks to 
FalconRising, you saved me a lot of time when you put that text out.

To your questions:
-Things I don't have answers forHow Anderson got to the panel before you.
Maybe Shepard was past out for some time and Anderson woke up faster than him and didn't see him in the room.How the Normandy is making a mass relay jump when it should be supporting Shepard on Earth. How your squad suddenly got aboard the Normandy.
This is one of the things I don't want to say anything, because it was the part of the ending I didn't like at all. Of course you can get some kind of answer to this, but why BW did it this way? I have no idea.
Why there are human letters/numbers in a part of the citadel no organic has ever been to before.
Reapers might have added some salvaged technology there / it's just reusing some models / textures.

Why we, the players, are seeing cutscenes of things that might only apply to a hallucinated game world.
Might be because of Shepard's condition. I'm not 100% accurate which you are refering to.

Yeah, starchild is the kid who gives you choices. Stargazer would be the after-credits Buzz Aldrin thing.

I don't understand why the starchild thought taking the form of a dead kid that Shepard constantly has nightmares about was a good idea. What about the whole "we kill you so you don't make synthetics that will kill you" thing? Because that makes absolutely no sense. Also the claim that synthetics and organics can never get along, even as I had the Geth fighting alongside all my organic comrades right outside?

Future games in the Mass Effect Universe could not explain more about it, because it's hard to make more games in a universe you just destroyed. No Mass Relays, no ME universe.

Your explanation of Anderson reaching the panel before you doesn't make sense. After you wake up Anderson contacts you and says you're ahead of him.

I have yet to hear any sort of satisfactory answer as to how your squadmates are on the Normandy and why the ship is running away. So I'm pretty doubtful when you say "of course you can get some answer to this".

[Dwailing]

turian_rage wrote...

If this is true, Harbinger is the most villainous villain in all of anything. And quite the troll, as well!

Agreed, and unless Bioware says otherwise, I consider this theory the truth.  It explains almost everything that is wrong with the ending, and it gives us hope to keep playing.  If it wasn't for this thread, I'm not sure if I would have the resolve to finish ME3.

[Sefriol]

Anderson had a body armor, maybe it helped a bit agaist the shot?

[FalconRising]

Sefriol wrote...

Why we, the players, are seeing cutscenes of things that might only apply to a hallucinated game world.
Might be because of Shepard's condition. I'm not 100% accurate which you are refering to.

First, yw.

Here's what I mean by this.  For now, let's assume that everything that happened after Harbinger shot you on Earth is a hallucination.  Then, everything you see after whatever choice you made - which was made in a hallucinated world, mind you - has no meaning, because the choice that led to it didn't actually happen.  For example, I chose Control.  There's no reason to show the cutscene of the Reapers leaving Earth and the Citadel closing back up, because my Shepard didn't ACTUALLY merge with the AI and take control of the Reapers - that was just a hallucination to convince Shepard's mind to accept indoctrination.  Shepard's physical body is still on Earth.  All of the cutscenes from the Reapers leaving, to the Normandy outrunning a shockwave, to crash landing on a random jungle world, didn't actually happen - or at least, didn't happen because of anything Shepard did that we know of.  It can't be said that these cutscenes represent Shepard's knowledge in this example because there is no longer a single entity or person recognizable as Commander Shepard.  It can be argued that if you choose Destruction, you see the consequences of your choice and then wake up, having broken the attempt to indoctrinate you, but I strongly disagree with this for reasons written in my original post.

[Dwailing]

Sefriol wrote...

Anderson had a body armor, maybe it helped a bit agaist the shot?

I should point out that Shepard was also wearing armor.  It was very heavily damaged, but it was still there.  You know, if Anderson was caught in the blast, too, why didn't we see his armor suffer any damage.  I can't remember if it did or not.  Anyone remember?

[wantedman dan]

Dwailing wrote...

The hypothetical cost I was refering to was the loss of all synthetic life in the galaxy after the Destroy ending.  Still, I agree, and I will hold the line!

Oops. My bad for the misunderstanding. Either way, terrible precedents are being set with their actions.