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[byne]

Dwailing wrote...

Sefriol wrote...

Anderson had a body armor, maybe it helped a bit agaist the shot?

I should point out that Shepard was also wearing armor.  It was very heavily damaged, but it was still there.  You know, if Anderson was caught in the blast, too, why didn't we see his armor suffer any damage.  I can't remember if it did or not.  Anyone remember?

Anderson's armor was basically unharmed, and he wasnt even wearing full body armor like Shep was.

[Dwailing]

wantedman dan wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

The hypothetical cost I was refering to was the loss of all synthetic life in the galaxy after the Destroy ending.  Still, I agree, and I will hold the line!

Oops. My bad for the misunderstanding. Either way, terrible precedents are being set with their actions.

No problem.  Like I said, I agree.

[Dwailing]

byne wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Sefriol wrote...

Anderson had a body armor, maybe it helped a bit agaist the shot?

I should point out that Shepard was also wearing armor.  It was very heavily damaged, but it was still there.  You know, if Anderson was caught in the blast, too, why didn't we see his armor suffer any damage.  I can't remember if it did or not.  Anyone remember?

Anderson's armor was basically unharmed, and he wasnt even wearing full body armor like Shep was.

It would seem improbable that Anderson would have escaped a blast like that completely unharmed, right?  Especially when you consider how much damage Shepard's armor took, his should have been almost completely blasted off, since I think it was only light armor.

[Raze4573]

Andersons armor was basically intact. Hell he even kept his damn hat! How would you keep your hat on after you got blasted by a huge sentient starship?

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Crusina wrote...

Vandicus wrote...

JustifiablyDefenestrated wrote...

Did anyone else notice that after Shepard shot Anderson, s/he started bleeding in exactly the same place? It might be taking the theory too far, but I don't think s/he was bleeding there before Anderson was shot...

It always bothered me that Anderson didn't actually have any injuries on him after being shot, but I assumed that it was just lazy programming. The hole in Shepard's stomach well that... 

I was just thinking that, in keeping in with the indoctrination/hallucination line of thinking.


Shepard would have shot her/his-self trying to fight against the indoctrination. Or something akin to that. If that all played out in your head, that's something I could see shepard doing instead of just giving in.

I can easily see the other choices, the indoctriantion choices as presented by the theory beeing discussed here resulting in Sheaprd shooting himself at some point after waking up. He fights of the Indoctrination only long enough to complete the mission or maybe not even that long turning the gun upon himself as his Squadmates do the last few things needed, going out a hero. 

And update from the Salarian STG team. Reached Coopenhagen but suffered hevay losses, only a few of us left. Will hold until the last.

Modifié par Raistlin Majare 1992, 17 mars 2012 - 09:22 .

[Nette]

ME2Pilot wrote...

S Atomeha wrote...

i hold london...
anyone ever mention sheps wound after shooting anderson?

I too hold the line in London.

That wound is another compelling piece of evidence in favour of the ending being a hallucination/dream/metaphoric experience/indoctrination attempt. There has been talk on here (many pages back and on numerous occasions) about the scene being a reflection of Shepard. The consequences of what he/she does/seems to do may be reflected back on him/her. Thus he/she shoots Anderson and cops the wound him/herself.

Holding the line on Indoctrination Theory!

 Wow! I hadn't realised that. It makes perfect sense!

And I'm right there with you, holding the line!

[Crusina]

what if the events between Anderson and the Illusive Man were actually representations of the indoctrinated part of Shepard's brain (TIM) who refuses to see the truth, and the part still trying to resist (Anderson) who is trying to fight it. And the catalyst knew destroying the reapers was already the path Shepard was planning to take, so couldn't make it dissapear, so instead tried to paint it in a bad light, as if it were the worst option to ward him off it.


Or not. I'm just pondering on things

[Vandicus]

Crusina wrote...

what if the events between Anderson and the Illusive Man were actually representations of the indoctrinated part of Shepard's brain (TIM) who refuses to see the truth, and the part still trying to resist (Anderson) who is trying to fight it. And the catalyst knew destroying the reapers was already the path Shepard was planning to take, so couldn't make it dissapear, so instead tried to paint it in a bad light, as if it were the worst option to ward him off it.


Or not. I'm just pondering on things

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[Knut0]

Crusina wrote...

Vandicus wrote...

JustifiablyDefenestrated wrote...

Did anyone else notice that after Shepard shot Anderson, s/he started bleeding in exactly the same place? It might be taking the theory too far, but I don't think s/he was bleeding there before Anderson was shot...

It always bothered me that Anderson didn't actually have any injuries on him after being shot, but I assumed that it was just lazy programming. The hole in Shepard's stomach well that... 

I was just thinking that, in keeping in with the indoctrination/hallucination line of thinking.


Shepard would have shot her/his-self trying to fight against the indoctrination. Or something akin to that. If that all played out in your head, that's something I could see shepard doing instead of just giving in.

Hmmm not too unthinkable, I've seen at least two mindscrew films where this is true, where there are two people in the room, one of them has a gun pointing at the other, but both are the same person, and he ends up shooting himself(Fight Club is one example).

Interesting...

Modifié par Knut0, 17 mars 2012 - 09:27 .

[KujaTheDarkOne2]

I'm glad you guys are pointing out Anderson's intact armor. That seems so obvious a discrepancy now that I'm shocked it didn't occur to me earlier. It really doesn't make sense for Shepard's heavy armor to be in tatters but Anderson's is completely fine - he even still has the hat! XP

[wantedman dan]

Crusina wrote...

what if the events between Anderson and the Illusive Man were actually representations of the indoctrinated part of Shepard's brain (TIM) who refuses to see the truth, and the part still trying to resist (Anderson) who is trying to fight it. And the catalyst knew destroying the reapers was already the path Shepard was planning to take, so couldn't make it dissapear, so instead tried to paint it in a bad light, as if it were the worst option to ward him off it.


Or not. I'm just pondering on things

That actually makes perfect sense, lol. It completely rationalizes why the destruction of the Reapers was ruefully painted with Renegade and why the Starbastard took so much time demonizing that path.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Crusina wrote...

what if the events between Anderson and the Illusive Man were actually representations of the indoctrinated part of Shepard's brain (TIM) who refuses to see the truth, and the part still trying to resist (Anderson) who is trying to fight it. And the catalyst knew destroying the reapers was already the path Shepard was planning to take, so couldn't make it dissapear, so instead tried to paint it in a bad light, as if it were the worst option to ward him off it.


Or not. I'm just pondering on things

That is my explanation for the Destruction part beeing there. Remember Saren always thought he was doing the right thing in helping the Reapers as is common thread among the Indoctrinated victims so by agreing with the catalyst you are essentially walking the path of Saren and the path it paints as bad is the one in which you fight them.

[Ona Demonie]

Knut0 wrote...

To people asking why there are human letters on the citadel in the end-game:

You have noticed that in all games there have been human letters all around the citadel, and on alien plantes not inhabited by humans. So I believe that the "1m1" you see when you are on the citadel is just there as something to spice up the backgroud.

Although, I could be wrong...

But its in a place where supposedly never been to.

[Gudmoore]

Crusina wrote...

what if the events between Anderson and the Illusive Man were actually representations of the indoctrinated part of Shepard's brain (TIM) who refuses to see the truth, and the part still trying to resist (Anderson) who is trying to fight it. And the catalyst knew destroying the reapers was already the path Shepard was planning to take, so couldn't make it dissapear, so instead tried to paint it in a bad light, as if it were the worst option to ward him off it.


Or not. I'm just pondering on things

Geh heh heh, have you considered reading the OP?

[Iam2ugly]

Not only this, but that could just be a overlook, look at this ending video and go to 5 minute mark. the floor is flat, but then look at 11.55 ooo something came from the floor so that shep could lean... Might be some overlook, and it's nothing important, but it makes me feel like something was too rushed... ;(

[monotoy]

this thread is moving so fast I can't keep up.
I would like though to re-emphazise something that was mentioned in one of the first posts, that made me immediately think about indoctrination when I played through ME3 the first time, and that was the "songs the color of oily dark shadows", mentioned by the Rachni queen in ME1.

This mobile platform is holding the line.

[AdmiralsJack]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Crusina wrote...

what if the events between Anderson and the Illusive Man were actually representations of the indoctrinated part of Shepard's brain (TIM) who refuses to see the truth, and the part still trying to resist (Anderson) who is trying to fight it. And the catalyst knew destroying the reapers was already the path Shepard was planning to take, so couldn't make it dissapear, so instead tried to paint it in a bad light, as if it were the worst option to ward him off it.


Or not. I'm just pondering on things

That is my explanation for the Destruction part beeing there. Remember Saren always thought he was doing the right thing in helping the Reapers as is common thread among the Indoctrinated victims so by agreing with the catalyst you are essentially walking the path of Saren and the path it paints as bad is the one in which you fight them.

For me it makes perfect sense to because of the same reasons....holding the line!


the thinge the queen mentions are pretty much the same you see on the citadel during the encounter with TIM

Modifié par AdmiralsJack, 17 mars 2012 - 09:31 .

[Dwailing]

Raze4573 wrote...

Andersons armor was basically intact. Hell he even kept his damn hat! How would you keep your hat on after you got blasted by a huge sentient starship?

No kidding!  I did notice that his face looks a little bruised and battered on the Citadel, but considering he just got blasted by a MASSIVE FRICKING BEAM OF MOLTEN METAL, he looks pretty darn good. <_<

[Sefriol]

KujaTheDarkOne2 wrote...

I don't understand why the starchild thought taking the form of a dead kid that Shepard constantly has nightmares about was a good idea. What about the whole "we kill you so you don't make synthetics that will kill you" thing? Because that makes absolutely no sense. Also the claim that synthetics and organics can never get along, even as I had the Geth fighting alongside all my organic comrades right outside?

Future games in the Mass Effect Universe could not explain more about it, because it's hard to make more games in a universe you just destroyed. No Mass Relays, no ME universe.

Your explanation of Anderson reaching the panel before you doesn't make sense. After you wake up Anderson contacts you and says you're ahead of him.

I have yet to hear any sort of satisfactory answer as to how your squadmates are on the Normandy and why the ship is running away. So I'm pretty doubtful when you say "of course you can get some answer to this".

The form he chooses is not mine to decide. Only BW can answer that. + Reapers motives have always been a mystery. And maybe you could get organics and Geth fighting together just this time. What happens when new VI is done and there is no Shepard to save it.

And saying there won't be any games about ME universe is just stupid. Like there was nothing in ME timeline before the trilogy? Going back in time is what Star Wars has done many years.

Anderson said he came to the portal later than Shepard, but it doesn't mean they come to console in same order. He also stated that he might have arrived into different room.

Squadmates - As stupid as it sounds: maybe Normandy pick them up after Shepard went through the portal. There was no contact to Earth when A and S were in the Citadel so maybe Joker contacted them when they didn't see Shepard anywhere.
Maybe Normandy run away when they saw that Citadel was exploding?  

Of course I cannot give solid answers, but this is something.

[Knut0]

Ona Demonie wrote...

Knut0 wrote...

To people asking why there are human letters on the citadel in the end-game:

You have noticed that in all games there have been human letters all around the citadel, and on alien plantes not inhabited by humans. So I believe that the "1m1" you see when you are on the citadel is just there as something to spice up the backgroud.

Although, I could be wrong...

But its in a place where supposedly never been to.

Not my original meaning. I mean that human text is just there to make us(the players) more comfortable in the game. Just think off Illium as an example, where you can read departures, signs and other things around you, even though tis was an asari colony, with moderatly few humans.

EDIT: Here's an image of the presidium in ME3, notice the human numbers on the walls.

Modifié par Knut0, 17 mars 2012 - 09:32 .

[Nette]

byne wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Sefriol wrote...

Anderson had a body armor, maybe it helped a bit agaist the shot?

I should point out that Shepard was also wearing armor.  It was very heavily damaged, but it was still there.  You know, if Anderson was caught in the blast, too, why didn't we see his armor suffer any damage.  I can't remember if it did or not.  Anyone remember?

Anderson's armor was basically unharmed, and he wasnt even wearing full body armor like Shep was.

Yes and he was even wearing his hat.....

[Shalaan]

I have read a lot of theories about the ending on these forums, and I must say that I agree with most, some I am not sure what to think of, some I have a total different oppinion on. But to be honest, it is about how you see things in the ending. Some people see the ending very literally, as in they expected things to be very straightforward and telling the player exactly what happens, while others see the ending in a total different way because they look at it with more of an "analytic eye".
Before I played the game, I had read some reviews about the game and a lot of people complained about the ending. I was so afraid that I would ned up being as disappointed as them, but when I actually came to the ending, I wasnt as disappointed, but I still hungered for a proper closure and a better explanation of what is actually happening; is the reaper gone for good, is Shepard dead and what is going to happen with the Citadel and the inhabitants of Earth?
I looked at the ending with "analytic eyes"; I didnt just see the mass explosion of shiny rainbowness, but I also saw that there is more to the "ending" than you'd think. I am sure of that BioWare has something up their sleeve and they are planning something big and awesome for the game, we just have to be patient for them to actually bring it out in the open. I really do wish that the end of the game was just a hallucination or some kind of indoctrination mind****ness caused by Harbinger because he is the boss of them Reapers.

[Crusina]

Thanks for the support, Its just if you look at Biowares track record of story telling, even if you didn't like the games or the stories, things still made sense.

It doesn't make sense for everything to not have a reason as to why.

Did anyone not see that bleeping citadel blow?

Yeah, your kinetic barriers that can stop like, five bullets are really going to let you live that.

It makes sense for the last bit to be in your head (remember hallucinations are just that, you don't always know they aren't real, especially when under pressure, or you know, mostly dead.

The destroy ending, is the real, and only true ending. The rest are just simply non-cannon choices in my opinion.

Just like how if shepard in ME2 dies, its non-cannon. But your decision. The other endings are your decision, but non-cannon choices.

[Dwailing]

KujaTheDarkOne2 wrote...

I'm glad you guys are pointing out Anderson's intact armor. That seems so obvious a discrepancy now that I'm shocked it didn't occur to me earlier. It really doesn't make sense for Shepard's heavy armor to be in tatters but Anderson's is completely fine - he even still has the hat! XP

Glad I could be of assistance.  I can't really speak for the others, but I can only assume they are happy to have been able to bring this point up, too. 

[Sefriol]

+ Maybe Anderson hided from the Harbinger and didn't get shot because of that? Please - you can get an answer to everything. Even if it seems unlikely it's always as good as yours before BW says otherwise.