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[Raistlin Majare 1992]

monotoy wrote...

this thread is moving so fast I can't keep up.
I would like though to re-emphazise something that was mentioned in one of the first posts, that made me immediately think about indoctrination when I played through ME3 the first time, and that was the "songs the color of oily dark shadows", mentioned by the Rachni queen in ME1.

This mobile platform is holding the line.

Good catch dident remember that.

I want to add something as well. Not so much to the theory itself, but about the Synthesis ending. Remember Legion, what he said about the Geth carving their own future? If we take at face value if you choose the Synthesis ending you are carving the entire galaxies future, as a single person you make yourself the lord of the direction of evolution a direct opposite of what the Geth strived to achieve. Just find that thoughtful.

[Darthlawsuit]

GLaDOS after playing Mass effect 3:

[Dwailing]

Sefriol wrote...

+ Maybe Anderson hided from the Harbinger and didn't get shot because of that? Please - you can get an answer to everything. Even if it seems unlikely it's always as good as yours before BW says otherwise.

Maybe Anderson hid from the Reapers, but doesn't he sprint towards the beam just like Shepard, and does it look like there is a spot for him to hide?

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Sefriol wrote...

+ Maybe Anderson hided from the Harbinger and didn't get shot because of that? Please - you can get an answer to everything. Even if it seems unlikely it's always as good as yours before BW says otherwise.

Hid from Harbinger? On a flat piece of land he hid from the giant Reaper. Not even mentioning the, no survivors, no one made it through talk moments after you wake up.

[Knut0]

Sefriol wrote...

+ Maybe Anderson hided from the Harbinger and didn't get shot because of that? Please - you can get an answer to everything. Even if it seems unlikely it's always as good as yours before BW says otherwise.

It is stated in the game though, that there are no survivors, and with only flat terrain, there are few places to hide.

EDIT: Ninja'd 

Modifié par Knut0, 17 mars 2012 - 09:37 .

[Knut0]

Double trouble...

Modifié par Knut0, 17 mars 2012 - 09:37 .

[mic-n]

Vandicus wrote...

http://i305.photobuc...trollingYOU.jpg 

Is it just me or is Anderson looking straight into the camera. But maybe that's the reason why you posted the image in the first place^_^.

[Raze4573]

Anderson hiding? Like....WHERE!? Its an empty hill where you get blasted to pieces because Harbinger pew pews faster than any Reaper. And Anderson isnt really the type that would hide behind a wall and let Shepard and other marines just die while he waits.
And yeah, he is staring right at us, not even remotely at an angle to look either at Shep or TIM.

Modifié par Raze4573, 17 mars 2012 - 09:39 .

[Dwailing]

So three of us just brought up counter arguments that all have at least one thing in common: the terrain was devoid of anywhere to hide.  Cool.  Also, I forgot about the radio chatter, that is a good point.

Edit: Make that four of us.

Modifié par Dwailing, 17 mars 2012 - 09:39 .

[Daradain]

Hmmmmmmmmm. I totally didn't even think about the whole thing being a hallucination. If it is, then I'm gonna be mad at BioWare for a while since the whole "ending" sequence is basically one giant cruel prank. On the other hand, that would be a pretty easy way for BioWare to rectify the "wtf" that is the ending as it stands.

[KujaTheDarkOne2]

Sefriol wrote...

KujaTheDarkOne2 wrote...

I don't understand why the starchild thought taking the form of a dead kid that Shepard constantly has nightmares about was a good idea. What about the whole "we kill you so you don't make synthetics that will kill you" thing? Because that makes absolutely no sense. Also the claim that synthetics and organics can never get along, even as I had the Geth fighting alongside all my organic comrades right outside?

Future games in the Mass Effect Universe could not explain more about it, because it's hard to make more games in a universe you just destroyed. No Mass Relays, no ME universe.

Your explanation of Anderson reaching the panel before you doesn't make sense. After you wake up Anderson contacts you and says you're ahead of him.

I have yet to hear any sort of satisfactory answer as to how your squadmates are on the Normandy and why the ship is running away. So I'm pretty doubtful when you say "of course you can get some answer to this".

The form he chooses is not mine to decide. Only BW can answer that. + Reapers motives have always been a mystery. And maybe you could get organics and Geth fighting together just this time. What happens when new VI is done and there is no Shepard to save it.

And saying there won't be any games about ME universe is just stupid. Like there was nothing in ME timeline before the trilogy? Going back in time is what Star Wars has done many years.

Anderson said he came to the portal later than Shepard, but it doesn't mean they come to console in same order. He also stated that he might have arrived into different room.

Squadmates - As stupid as it sounds: maybe Normandy pick them up after Shepard went through the portal. There was no contact to Earth when A and S were in the Citadel so maybe Joker contacted them when they didn't see Shepard anywhere.
Maybe Normandy run away when they saw that Citadel was exploding?  

Of course I cannot give solid answers, but this is something.

It doesn't make much sense for Bioware to spend so many games showing us that synthetics and organics can get along and then say "nope, it can actually never work - forget all that stuff with Legion and EDI".

Um, I don't recall how long, but there's really not a lot of time between humans discovering the Mass Relay and Shepard being born. Definitely less than a hundred years, unless I'm remembering horribly. So unless they told prequel stories that had nothing to do with humans, then no, there's not really any room for them.

You saw the only way to enter the room with the panel. It was directly in front of you. There were no other corridors leading to the room. And as you walked through the first corridor, with all the bodies, Anderson described walking through a similar area, meaning you two were probably approximately the same distance from the panel room. Then he says a wall's opening or something and you stop hearing from him and he's suddenly already bent over the panel. It doesn't really make much sense.

How the heck did Liara and Garrus (the two I had charge with me) not get killed, or at least incapacitated by Harbinger? Why did they run away after I entered the portal, after saying they'd stick with me? Why is Joker running away so quickly, when he said he would never abandon me? Why are all these characters doing things counter to the values they've always spouted?

I applaud your effort to explain crappy writing (if it's all literal), but all that is really not much of "something". If that's what I was supposed to infer then I am much happier believing in Indoctrination.

[Crusina]

mic-n wrote...

Vandicus wrote...

http://i305.photobuc...trollingYOU.jpg 

Is it just me or is Anderson looking straight into the camera. But maybe that's the reason why you posted the image in the first place^_^.

is that what he meant when he posted that to me?

[Dwailing]

Raze4573 wrote...

Anderson hiding? Like....WHERE!? Its an empty hill where you get blasted to pieces because Harbinger pew pews faster than any Reaper. And Anderson isnt really the type that would hide behind a wall and let Shepard and other marines just die while he waits.
And yeah, he is staring right at us, not even remotely at an angle to look either at Shep or TIM.

Anyone who finished Assassin's Creed II should remember at the end how Minerva looks directly at the camera and then says that she is speaking to Desmond.  Anyone see parallels here?

Edit: In fact, didn't she speak directly into the camera a couple times before that?  It's been a while since I finished AC2.

Modifié par Dwailing, 17 mars 2012 - 09:42 .

[Nette]

Sefriol wrote...

KujaTheDarkOne2 wrote...

I don't understand why the starchild thought taking the form of a dead kid that Shepard constantly has nightmares about was a good idea. What about the whole "we kill you so you don't make synthetics that will kill you" thing? Because that makes absolutely no sense. Also the claim that synthetics and organics can never get along, even as I had the Geth fighting alongside all my organic comrades right outside?

Future games in the Mass Effect Universe could not explain more about it, because it's hard to make more games in a universe you just destroyed. No Mass Relays, no ME universe.

Your explanation of Anderson reaching the panel before you doesn't make sense. After you wake up Anderson contacts you and says you're ahead of him.

I have yet to hear any sort of satisfactory answer as to how your squadmates are on the Normandy and why the ship is running away. So I'm pretty doubtful when you say "of course you can get some answer to this".

The form he chooses is not mine to decide. Only BW can answer that. + Reapers motives have always been a mystery. And maybe you could get organics and Geth fighting together just this time. What happens when new VI is done and there is no Shepard to save it.

And saying there won't be any games about ME universe is just stupid. Like there was nothing in ME timeline before the trilogy? Going back in time is what Star Wars has done many years.

Anderson said he came to the portal later than Shepard, but it doesn't mean they come to console in same order. He also stated that he might have arrived into different room.

Squadmates - As stupid as it sounds: maybe Normandy pick them up after Shepard went through the portal. There was no contact to Earth when A and S were in the Citadel so maybe Joker contacted them when they didn't see Shepard anywhere.
Maybe Normandy run away when they saw that Citadel was exploding?  

Of course I cannot give solid answers, but this is something.

That can't be accurate. Every one of Sheps squad knows what the stakes are and all of them would head for the beam. They would never run away like that, never!

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Dwailing wrote...

Raze4573 wrote...

Anderson hiding? Like....WHERE!? Its an empty hill where you get blasted to pieces because Harbinger pew pews faster than any Reaper. And Anderson isnt really the type that would hide behind a wall and let Shepard and other marines just die while he waits.
And yeah, he is staring right at us, not even remotely at an angle to look either at Shep or TIM.

Anyone who finished Assassin's Creed II should remember at the end how Minerva looks directly at the camera and then says that she is speaking to Desmond.  Anyone see parallels here?

More than a few. All the things beeing brought up in this thread along with the holes. Alone or few in number each of them are pretty insignificant, but the number and the size of some of these "mistakes" and "conincedences" are just to big. There is something deeper here.

About the running for the beam. We hear they are gonna fall back and regroup, but fall back to what? Everything is thrown into this offensive, it is either make it to the beam or not, there is not middle ground that is made quite clear as the offensive starts.

Not even mentioning that Harbinger leaves leaving the beam wide open...it does not amke any sense

Modifié par Raistlin Majare 1992, 17 mars 2012 - 09:44 .

[Raze4573]

@Dwailing
If its a rip off, its one I'd approve.
The ending has too many clues telling us that its a hallucination.
The evidence is there, we found it, now we just have to wait for BioWare to sigh and come clean.

[KujaTheDarkOne2]

Sefriol wrote...

+ Maybe Anderson hided from the Harbinger and didn't get shot because of that? Please - you can get an answer to everything. Even if it seems unlikely it's always as good as yours before BW says otherwise.

"I'm just gonna charge down this hill like everyone else, but then oh no, Harbinger's shooting lasers, so I'm gonna suddenly stop acting like the character I am and go hide behind something! Also, I bet Harbinger will never notice me running off to the side to hide! It's not like this is a big open hill with little cover!"

Apologies for the heavy sarcasm, but com'on, seriously.

[Martukis]

KujaTheDarkOne2 wrote...

Sefriol wrote...

KujaTheDarkOne2 wrote...

I don't understand why the starchild thought taking the form of a dead kid that Shepard constantly has nightmares about was a good idea. What about the whole "we kill you so you don't make synthetics that will kill you" thing? Because that makes absolutely no sense. Also the claim that synthetics and organics can never get along, even as I had the Geth fighting alongside all my organic comrades right outside?

Future games in the Mass Effect Universe could not explain more about it, because it's hard to make more games in a universe you just destroyed. No Mass Relays, no ME universe.

Your explanation of Anderson reaching the panel before you doesn't make sense. After you wake up Anderson contacts you and says you're ahead of him.

I have yet to hear any sort of satisfactory answer as to how your squadmates are on the Normandy and why the ship is running away. So I'm pretty doubtful when you say "of course you can get some answer to this".

The form he chooses is not mine to decide. Only BW can answer that. + Reapers motives have always been a mystery. And maybe you could get organics and Geth fighting together just this time. What happens when new VI is done and there is no Shepard to save it.

And saying there won't be any games about ME universe is just stupid. Like there was nothing in ME timeline before the trilogy? Going back in time is what Star Wars has done many years.

Anderson said he came to the portal later than Shepard, but it doesn't mean they come to console in same order. He also stated that he might have arrived into different room.

Squadmates - As stupid as it sounds: maybe Normandy pick them up after Shepard went through the portal. There was no contact to Earth when A and S were in the Citadel so maybe Joker contacted them when they didn't see Shepard anywhere.
Maybe Normandy run away when they saw that Citadel was exploding?  

Of course I cannot give solid answers, but this is something.

It doesn't make much sense for Bioware to spend so many games showing us that synthetics and organics can get along and then say "nope, it can actually never work - forget all that stuff with Legion and EDI".

Um, I don't recall how long, but there's really not a lot of time between humans discovering the Mass Relay and Shepard being born. Definitely less than a hundred years, unless I'm remembering horribly. So unless they told prequel stories that had nothing to do with humans, then no, there's not really any room for them.

You saw the only way to enter the room with the panel. It was directly in front of you. There were no other corridors leading to the room. And as you walked through the first corridor, with all the bodies, Anderson described walking through a similar area, meaning you two were probably approximately the same distance from the panel room. Then he says a wall's opening or something and you stop hearing from him and he's suddenly already bent over the panel. It doesn't really make much sense.

How the heck did Liara and Garrus (the two I had charge with me) not get killed, or at least incapacitated by Harbinger? Why did they run away after I entered the portal, after saying they'd stick with me? Why is Joker running away so quickly, when he said he would never abandon me? Why are all these characters doing things counter to the values they've always spouted?

I applaud your effort to explain crappy writing (if it's all literal), but all that is really not much of "something". If that's what I was supposed to infer then I am much happier believing in Indoctrination.

 The more I think about it, the more I worry that Legion/awakened geth and EDI were part of the reaper's trap as well. Legion uploads bits of reaper code to all geth, and we only have its garuntee that it isn't indoc'd. Add to that the way he reacts if you try to stop him and save the quarians... And EDI was a VI that, with reaper tech and a cerberus body are awfully seductive... Javik might have convinced me...

[Dwailing]

Martukis wrote...

KujaTheDarkOne2 wrote...

Sefriol wrote...

KujaTheDarkOne2 wrote...

I don't understand why the starchild thought taking the form of a dead kid that Shepard constantly has nightmares about was a good idea. What about the whole "we kill you so you don't make synthetics that will kill you" thing? Because that makes absolutely no sense. Also the claim that synthetics and organics can never get along, even as I had the Geth fighting alongside all my organic comrades right outside?

Future games in the Mass Effect Universe could not explain more about it, because it's hard to make more games in a universe you just destroyed. No Mass Relays, no ME universe.

Your explanation of Anderson reaching the panel before you doesn't make sense. After you wake up Anderson contacts you and says you're ahead of him.

I have yet to hear any sort of satisfactory answer as to how your squadmates are on the Normandy and why the ship is running away. So I'm pretty doubtful when you say "of course you can get some answer to this".

The form he chooses is not mine to decide. Only BW can answer that. + Reapers motives have always been a mystery. And maybe you could get organics and Geth fighting together just this time. What happens when new VI is done and there is no Shepard to save it.

And saying there won't be any games about ME universe is just stupid. Like there was nothing in ME timeline before the trilogy? Going back in time is what Star Wars has done many years.

Anderson said he came to the portal later than Shepard, but it doesn't mean they come to console in same order. He also stated that he might have arrived into different room.

Squadmates - As stupid as it sounds: maybe Normandy pick them up after Shepard went through the portal. There was no contact to Earth when A and S were in the Citadel so maybe Joker contacted them when they didn't see Shepard anywhere.
Maybe Normandy run away when they saw that Citadel was exploding?  

Of course I cannot give solid answers, but this is something.

It doesn't make much sense for Bioware to spend so many games showing us that synthetics and organics can get along and then say "nope, it can actually never work - forget all that stuff with Legion and EDI".

Um, I don't recall how long, but there's really not a lot of time between humans discovering the Mass Relay and Shepard being born. Definitely less than a hundred years, unless I'm remembering horribly. So unless they told prequel stories that had nothing to do with humans, then no, there's not really any room for them.

You saw the only way to enter the room with the panel. It was directly in front of you. There were no other corridors leading to the room. And as you walked through the first corridor, with all the bodies, Anderson described walking through a similar area, meaning you two were probably approximately the same distance from the panel room. Then he says a wall's opening or something and you stop hearing from him and he's suddenly already bent over the panel. It doesn't really make much sense.

How the heck did Liara and Garrus (the two I had charge with me) not get killed, or at least incapacitated by Harbinger? Why did they run away after I entered the portal, after saying they'd stick with me? Why is Joker running away so quickly, when he said he would never abandon me? Why are all these characters doing things counter to the values they've always spouted?

I applaud your effort to explain crappy writing (if it's all literal), but all that is really not much of "something". If that's what I was supposed to infer then I am much happier believing in Indoctrination.

 The more I think about it, the more I worry that Legion/awakened geth and EDI were part of the reaper's trap as well. Legion uploads bits of reaper code to all geth, and we only have its garuntee that it isn't indoc'd. Add to that the way he reacts if you try to stop him and save the quarians... And EDI was a VI that, with reaper tech and a cerberus body are awfully seductive... Javik might have convinced me...

NO!  DON'T GIVE UP ON THEM!  Don't believe Javik, peace is possible.  Keep holding the line!

[KujaTheDarkOne2]

Martukis wrote...

KujaTheDarkOne2 wrote...

Sefriol wrote...

KujaTheDarkOne2 wrote...

I don't understand why the starchild thought taking the form of a dead kid that Shepard constantly has nightmares about was a good idea. What about the whole "we kill you so you don't make synthetics that will kill you" thing? Because that makes absolutely no sense. Also the claim that synthetics and organics can never get along, even as I had the Geth fighting alongside all my organic comrades right outside?

Future games in the Mass Effect Universe could not explain more about it, because it's hard to make more games in a universe you just destroyed. No Mass Relays, no ME universe.

Your explanation of Anderson reaching the panel before you doesn't make sense. After you wake up Anderson contacts you and says you're ahead of him.

I have yet to hear any sort of satisfactory answer as to how your squadmates are on the Normandy and why the ship is running away. So I'm pretty doubtful when you say "of course you can get some answer to this".

The form he chooses is not mine to decide. Only BW can answer that. + Reapers motives have always been a mystery. And maybe you could get organics and Geth fighting together just this time. What happens when new VI is done and there is no Shepard to save it.

And saying there won't be any games about ME universe is just stupid. Like there was nothing in ME timeline before the trilogy? Going back in time is what Star Wars has done many years.

Anderson said he came to the portal later than Shepard, but it doesn't mean they come to console in same order. He also stated that he might have arrived into different room.

Squadmates - As stupid as it sounds: maybe Normandy pick them up after Shepard went through the portal. There was no contact to Earth when A and S were in the Citadel so maybe Joker contacted them when they didn't see Shepard anywhere.
Maybe Normandy run away when they saw that Citadel was exploding?  

Of course I cannot give solid answers, but this is something.

It doesn't make much sense for Bioware to spend so many games showing us that synthetics and organics can get along and then say "nope, it can actually never work - forget all that stuff with Legion and EDI".

Um, I don't recall how long, but there's really not a lot of time between humans discovering the Mass Relay and Shepard being born. Definitely less than a hundred years, unless I'm remembering horribly. So unless they told prequel stories that had nothing to do with humans, then no, there's not really any room for them.

You saw the only way to enter the room with the panel. It was directly in front of you. There were no other corridors leading to the room. And as you walked through the first corridor, with all the bodies, Anderson described walking through a similar area, meaning you two were probably approximately the same distance from the panel room. Then he says a wall's opening or something and you stop hearing from him and he's suddenly already bent over the panel. It doesn't really make much sense.

How the heck did Liara and Garrus (the two I had charge with me) not get killed, or at least incapacitated by Harbinger? Why did they run away after I entered the portal, after saying they'd stick with me? Why is Joker running away so quickly, when he said he would never abandon me? Why are all these characters doing things counter to the values they've always spouted?

I applaud your effort to explain crappy writing (if it's all literal), but all that is really not much of "something". If that's what I was supposed to infer then I am much happier believing in Indoctrination.

 The more I think about it, the more I worry that Legion/awakened geth and EDI were part of the reaper's trap as well. Legion uploads bits of reaper code to all geth, and we only have its garuntee that it isn't indoc'd. Add to that the way he reacts if you try to stop him and save the quarians... And EDI was a VI that, with reaper tech and a cerberus body are awfully seductive... Javik might have convinced me...

We weren't ever given any reason to think that the Geth or EDI turned sides in that last battle, though. And if you spring a trap after you've already been defeated, it's not much use now, is it?

And Legion reacts that way to you trying to stop him because you are dooming his people.

[mmdestiny]

Can't offer much in the way of discussion that isn't going to be worded much better by the leaders of this thread (you know who you are), so I'll just chime in with my support and encouragement to stay on topic, civil, but aggressive.

And of course, to HOLD THE LINE.

[iwillkillfortali]

Dwailing wrote...

Martukis wrote...

KujaTheDarkOne2 wrote...

Sefriol wrote...

KujaTheDarkOne2 wrote...

I don't understand why the starchild thought taking the form of a dead kid that Shepard constantly has nightmares about was a good idea. What about the whole "we kill you so you don't make synthetics that will kill you" thing? Because that makes absolutely no sense. Also the claim that synthetics and organics can never get along, even as I had the Geth fighting alongside all my organic comrades right outside?

Future games in the Mass Effect Universe could not explain more about it, because it's hard to make more games in a universe you just destroyed. No Mass Relays, no ME universe.

Your explanation of Anderson reaching the panel before you doesn't make sense. After you wake up Anderson contacts you and says you're ahead of him.

I have yet to hear any sort of satisfactory answer as to how your squadmates are on the Normandy and why the ship is running away. So I'm pretty doubtful when you say "of course you can get some answer to this".

The form he chooses is not mine to decide. Only BW can answer that. + Reapers motives have always been a mystery. And maybe you could get organics and Geth fighting together just this time. What happens when new VI is done and there is no Shepard to save it.

And saying there won't be any games about ME universe is just stupid. Like there was nothing in ME timeline before the trilogy? Going back in time is what Star Wars has done many years.

Anderson said he came to the portal later than Shepard, but it doesn't mean they come to console in same order. He also stated that he might have arrived into different room.

Squadmates - As stupid as it sounds: maybe Normandy pick them up after Shepard went through the portal. There was no contact to Earth when A and S were in the Citadel so maybe Joker contacted them when they didn't see Shepard anywhere.
Maybe Normandy run away when they saw that Citadel was exploding?  

Of course I cannot give solid answers, but this is something.

It doesn't make much sense for Bioware to spend so many games showing us that synthetics and organics can get along and then say "nope, it can actually never work - forget all that stuff with Legion and EDI".

Um, I don't recall how long, but there's really not a lot of time between humans discovering the Mass Relay and Shepard being born. Definitely less than a hundred years, unless I'm remembering horribly. So unless they told prequel stories that had nothing to do with humans, then no, there's not really any room for them.

You saw the only way to enter the room with the panel. It was directly in front of you. There were no other corridors leading to the room. And as you walked through the first corridor, with all the bodies, Anderson described walking through a similar area, meaning you two were probably approximately the same distance from the panel room. Then he says a wall's opening or something and you stop hearing from him and he's suddenly already bent over the panel. It doesn't really make much sense.

How the heck did Liara and Garrus (the two I had charge with me) not get killed, or at least incapacitated by Harbinger? Why did they run away after I entered the portal, after saying they'd stick with me? Why is Joker running away so quickly, when he said he would never abandon me? Why are all these characters doing things counter to the values they've always spouted?

I applaud your effort to explain crappy writing (if it's all literal), but all that is really not much of "something". If that's what I was supposed to infer then I am much happier believing in Indoctrination.

 The more I think about it, the more I worry that Legion/awakened geth and EDI were part of the reaper's trap as well. Legion uploads bits of reaper code to all geth, and we only have its garuntee that it isn't indoc'd. Add to that the way he reacts if you try to stop him and save the quarians... And EDI was a VI that, with reaper tech and a cerberus body are awfully seductive... Javik might have convinced me...

NO!  DON'T GIVE UP ON THEM!  Don't believe Javik, peace is possible.  Keep holding the line!

No you must believe Javik you must!

Modifié par iwillkillfortali, 17 mars 2012 - 09:49 .

[Raze4573]

Legion would never betray Shepard, he was definitely smarter and wouldnt just upload a virus into his peoples mind/consensus. What he uploaded was the upgrade that the Reapers gave the geth.
And come on, EDI is way too awesome to become a Reaper toy.

[SirLugash]

@Sefriol : About the Squadmates leaving with the Normandy: Even if Joker picked them up after Shepard went into the Conduit, why would he leave ?
Apart from that, the Sol Relay is somewhere further away than Pluto.
Considering how long it took from the beginning in the Citadel to activate the Crucible, I don't think they could get to the Relay in such short time.
When Anderson hided from Harbinger, he would be either helping Shepard if he saw him or, if he just charged for the relay, would be there before Shep.
But he said he came to the conduit after Shep.

---


Something else: Somewhere, maybe even here, don't know for sure, I read that in those dream scenes between missions where the child ignites in the end:
Someone wrote that when the child is running away from you and you are supposed to follow it, if you turn around and run away, there will be voices whispering your name.
If you continue walking away, there will be some Harbinger like voice call your name...
Anybody has a save close to this to check out ?

[Dwailing]

iwillkillfortali wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Martukis wrote...

KujaTheDarkOne2 wrote...

Sefriol wrote...

KujaTheDarkOne2 wrote...

I don't understand why the starchild thought taking the form of a dead kid that Shepard constantly has nightmares about was a good idea. What about the whole "we kill you so you don't make synthetics that will kill you" thing? Because that makes absolutely no sense. Also the claim that synthetics and organics can never get along, even as I had the Geth fighting alongside all my organic comrades right outside?

Future games in the Mass Effect Universe could not explain more about it, because it's hard to make more games in a universe you just destroyed. No Mass Relays, no ME universe.

Your explanation of Anderson reaching the panel before you doesn't make sense. After you wake up Anderson contacts you and says you're ahead of him.

I have yet to hear any sort of satisfactory answer as to how your squadmates are on the Normandy and why the ship is running away. So I'm pretty doubtful when you say "of course you can get some answer to this".

The form he chooses is not mine to decide. Only BW can answer that. + Reapers motives have always been a mystery. And maybe you could get organics and Geth fighting together just this time. What happens when new VI is done and there is no Shepard to save it.

And saying there won't be any games about ME universe is just stupid. Like there was nothing in ME timeline before the trilogy? Going back in time is what Star Wars has done many years.

Anderson said he came to the portal later than Shepard, but it doesn't mean they come to console in same order. He also stated that he might have arrived into different room.

Squadmates - As stupid as it sounds: maybe Normandy pick them up after Shepard went through the portal. There was no contact to Earth when A and S were in the Citadel so maybe Joker contacted them when they didn't see Shepard anywhere.
Maybe Normandy run away when they saw that Citadel was exploding?  

Of course I cannot give solid answers, but this is something.

It doesn't make much sense for Bioware to spend so many games showing us that synthetics and organics can get along and then say "nope, it can actually never work - forget all that stuff with Legion and EDI".

Um, I don't recall how long, but there's really not a lot of time between humans discovering the Mass Relay and Shepard being born. Definitely less than a hundred years, unless I'm remembering horribly. So unless they told prequel stories that had nothing to do with humans, then no, there's not really any room for them.

You saw the only way to enter the room with the panel. It was directly in front of you. There were no other corridors leading to the room. And as you walked through the first corridor, with all the bodies, Anderson described walking through a similar area, meaning you two were probably approximately the same distance from the panel room. Then he says a wall's opening or something and you stop hearing from him and he's suddenly already bent over the panel. It doesn't really make much sense.

How the heck did Liara and Garrus (the two I had charge with me) not get killed, or at least incapacitated by Harbinger? Why did they run away after I entered the portal, after saying they'd stick with me? Why is Joker running away so quickly, when he said he would never abandon me? Why are all these characters doing things counter to the values they've always spouted?

I applaud your effort to explain crappy writing (if it's all literal), but all that is really not much of "something". If that's what I was supposed to infer then I am much happier believing in Indoctrination.

 The more I think about it, the more I worry that Legion/awakened geth and EDI were part of the reaper's trap as well. Legion uploads bits of reaper code to all geth, and we only have its garuntee that it isn't indoc'd. Add to that the way he reacts if you try to stop him and save the quarians... And EDI was a VI that, with reaper tech and a cerberus body are awfully seductive... Javik might have convinced me...

NO!  DON'T GIVE UP ON THEM!  Don't believe Javik, peace is possible.  Keep holding the line!

No you must believe Javik you must!

Why!?  Because he is Prothean?  Having learned about their culture, I am very cautious about following any advice Javik gives me.  He said I couldn't win without sacrificing my honor, but here I am, a very dedicated Paragon, bringing a massive fleet to battle the Reapers.  Or I will be anyway once I reach the battle for Earth. (In the interest of full disclosure, I do occasionally use a Renegade line or interrupt, but I always try to be very Paragon.  The last Renegade thing I did was punching Han'Garrel after the Geth Dreadnought, but I think he deserved it. )