Okay I'm back. Kind of backtracking on "What is indoctrination?" "How could TIM control us?" "Thorian creeper vs. reaper indoctrination". I found the quotes from the wiki and the codex that shed light on the differences between the two. If TIM WAS controlling Shepard (assuming you don't believe in the indoctrination theory) it wasn't couldnt have been through the power of indoctrination, but had to have been by other means. There are NO examples / text of someone losing control of their "actions" before "believing" in the reaper's cause. The reaper will erode your thought processes FIRST then take control of your body. The thorian creeper is the opposite. It takes control of your mind by using pain to condition your body to do something it wants.
If you believe the indoctrination theory begins at the elevator, then this is evidence that TIM had used his implants to begin indoctrinating Shepard. If you believe the indoctrination process is carried on throughout the game and that Shepard starts his/her dream during the laser, then TIM is simply a figment of your imagination.
According to the wiki the amount of time it takes the reaper signal to erode someone's mental ability / willpower is anywhere from a couple days to a full week. However, its not uncommon for people to start having issues within the first contact. The farmers on Eden Prime complained about a "jamming signal" and how you "couldnt hear yourself think". This is within the first few moments of Saren's landing on the colony. So far (that we can be 100% certain on) is that indoctrination is caused by 2 things: A reaper and a reaper artifact. There COULD be other variables, but these are examples we've seen in the game/novels.
"The more control Sovereign has over a person, the less capable they become. Saren realized that to keep his mind free of Sovereign's control, he had to make himself an invaluable resource.""As ExoGeni watched, it took less than a month for 80% of Zhu's Hope's inhabitants to become infected and begin performing tasks for the Thorian. The ExoGeni VI reports that via these spores, the Thorian issues mental commands to its thralls;""Only people with immense mental strength are able to resist indoctrination, and even then, only for a short time."
"To keep Saren loyal, Sovereign put cybernetic implants in Saren's body and used those implants to influence and control the former Spectre."
"The control the Thorian exerts using spores is similar to indoctrination, though the initial conditioning is different. While Reaper indoctrination erodes the psyche until an individual just stops thinking for themselves, the spores allow the Thorian to control its thralls using pain as reinforcement and punishment. If a victim refuses the Thorian's orders, the result is pain so severe that it soon conditions the individual against even considering rebellion; the removal of the pain when they comply serves as further reinforcement. This conditioning allows the Thorian almost complete control of those it enslaves, so that they will even die to protect it.""However, this means that a disciplined mind can resist Thorian enslavement more easily than Reaper indoctrination. Fai Dan and Ian Newstead, for example, are both known to have been able to resist Thorian enslavement to some degree. However, unlike the Reapers, the Thorian is careful not to deliberately injure its thralls; also, Thorian enslavement ceased immediately when the Thorian died, whereas Reaper slaves were left in a permanently indoctrinated state once the Reapers had left."
Modifié par GunMoth, 17 mars 2012 - 10:22 .
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I also took the interrupt at the end of the dialogue between the Salarian Dalatress, Wrex, and Primarch Victus. So I have the option to kill or spare Kai Leng? That will be a tough choice.
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