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[Legion109]

Isn't the Sol Relay orbiting Pluto? Did Joker really have that much time to come pick up your squad but leave you then run away to Pluto to save his own ass all while shep was doing those final scenes... Indoception I support it

[Blackmind1]

Fixed up some new observations!

http://social.biowar.../index/10145544

[Tailen]

VvAndromedavV wrote...

I'm 100% for the indoctrination theory.

That being said, I just watched my husband finish the game. He chose "blue" and after the final cut-scene was the pop-up: "Commander Shepard has become a legend by ending the Reaper threat. Now you can continue to build that legend through further gameplay and downloadable content (DLC)."

Here's the problem: you get this exact same pop-up regardless of your EMS or your color choice at the end.

If the ending is a hallucination, and certain choices actually do lead to Shepard's indoctrination, why would every single scenario end with "Commander Shepard has become a legend by ending the Reaper threat"?

It makes no sense.

Because they want you to buy the DLC regardless of which end you choose 

And, only having the DLC pop-up after the "proper" ending would be way too obvious, if handled that way.  Just sayin'.

[byne]

VvAndromedavV wrote...

I'm 100% for the indoctrination theory.

That being said, I just watched my husband finish the game. He chose "blue" and after the final cut-scene was the pop-up: "Commander Shepard has become a legend by ending the Reaper threat. Now you can continue to build that legend through further gameplay and downloadable content (DLC)."

Here's the problem: you get this exact same pop-up regardless of your EMS or your color choice at the end.

If the ending is a hallucination, and certain choices actually do lead to Shepard's indoctrination, why would every single scenario end with "Commander Shepard has become a legend by ending the Reaper threat"?

It makes no sense.

Someone else brings up the ending message thing.

I really do not understand the credence people give this.

A fourth-wall breaking pop-up imploring you to buy future DLC?

It must be canon!


I will use the after-game thing to my advantage too then.

After i beat the game it set me back to right before assaulting TIM's base.

Clearly this means the last two levels never even happened. Why else would it put me back before them?

See, it doesnt work like that.

Modifié par byne, 17 mars 2012 - 11:50 .

[SirLugash]

VvAndromedavV wrote...

I'm 100% for the indoctrination theory.

That being said, I just watched my husband finish the game. He chose "blue" and after the final cut-scene was the pop-up: "Commander Shepard has become a legend by ending the Reaper threat. Now you can continue to build that legend through further gameplay and downloadable content (DLC)."

Here's the problem: you get this exact same pop-up regardless of your EMS or your color choice at the end.

If the ending is a hallucination, and certain choices actually do lead to Shepard's indoctrination, why would every single scenario end with "Commander Shepard has become a legend by ending the Reaper threat"?

It makes no sense.

Because the retail game needs an actual ending, might it be the real one or not.

[Legion109]

byne wrote...

VvAndromedavV wrote...

I'm 100% for the indoctrination theory.

That being said, I just watched my husband finish the game. He chose "blue" and after the final cut-scene was the pop-up: "Commander Shepard has become a legend by ending the Reaper threat. Now you can continue to build that legend through further gameplay and downloadable content (DLC)."

Here's the problem: you get this exact same pop-up regardless of your EMS or your color choice at the end.

If the ending is a hallucination, and certain choices actually do lead to Shepard's indoctrination, why would every single scenario end with "Commander Shepard has become a legend by ending the Reaper threat"?

It makes no sense.

I was expecting to see a troll face and "U MAD" at the bottom of that message
Someone else brings up the ending message thing.

I really do not understand the credence people give this.

A fourth-wall breaking pop-up imploring you to buy future DLC?

It must be canon!

[IronSabbath88]

That ending message doesn't give much proof when you realize you're sent back to the Normandy.... before launching the Cerberus mission.

[benj919]

I just finished the game and was quite disappointed too. Before the release I was joking that bioware should troll everyone by just having you cut down by harbinger when re-entering the sol system and claiming that the cycle can't be broken (and eventually release a dlc with a proper ending). It's sad that what was delivered is even worse...

Many of the things pointed out in this thread bugged me, some I missed or discarded as artistic oversights. I have only read a hundred or so pages so this was probably brought up already:

-That child/AI in the end claims to control the reapers and claims the citadel to be a part of itself. How is it therefore possible for the Protheans from Ilos to a) alter the citadel and or the keepers to ignore the "signal" from Sovereign and why does it need Sovereigns signal at all? I mean after 50'000 years give or take some the child/AI can just reactivate the Citadel Mass-Relay by itself without the need for one of its Reaper-toys to come back and push a button.

An then of course there's the issue with the Normandy flying through a mass relay:
You assemble the most (combat-)skilled group of people in the galaxy, they gun down whatever is around with you and vow to stop the reapers at all cost, and then Jokers just scoops them up from under a dozen Reapers that descend back to earth to protect that transportation beam so they can make a run for it?

I enjoyed playing all three games up until that reaper-beam cut me down. I was prepared to sacrifice anything and everyone if that was to ensure a proper ending, I wanted to see a devastated galaxy which was pulling itself together because there were survivors and I would accept the cycle continuing by having civilization eradicated. Bioware promised our decisions would matter and more often than not I took a few minutes to think on what to do, e.g. curing the genophage or not,to  which in the end the only difference is... yeah what exactly is the difference?

All in all the only thought making the current ending (its just one with disco-colors) bearable for me is to think this is realy an attempt in indoctrination, therefore thank you all for "saving" the game for me.

[Novouto]

While the Indoctrination Theory has a couple problems with it (too lazy to remember specifics lol) but it makes more sense than what we were presented and the implications that go with it.

[Legion109]

I still cant quote worth a sh*t I think my computer hates me, anyway because I think we all need a laugh through these dark times.




Indoception I support it

[Blackmind1]

http://en.wikipedia....uit_(channeling)

"A conduit, in esoterism, and spiritual discourse, is a specific object, person, location, or process (such as engaging in a séance or entering a trance), which allows a person to connect or communicate with a spiritual realm, metaphysical energy, or spiritual entity, or vice versa. The use of such a conduit may be entirely metaphorical or symbolic, or it may be earnestly believed to be functional."

You're kidding! Does this sound familiar?

*Bold for emphasis

Modifié par Blackmind1, 18 mars 2012 - 12:00 .

[njfluffy19]

www.youtube.com/watch

Squadmate deaths, a deleted scene.

So, if the theory of indoctrination is correct, how does this fit in? According to the theory, you aren't dreaming till after the beam...

In any case...

[Ona Demonie]

Legion109 wrote...

Isn't the Sol Relay orbiting Pluto? Did Joker really have that much time to come pick up your squad but leave you then run away to Pluto to save his own ass all while shep was doing those final scenes... Indoception I support it

With FTL drives, Joker can get to the relay within minutes. Pluto isn't even ONE light year away. FTL drives are 12 light years per day. 

EDIT: I don't know where Jessica got "Pluto is 36 light years away".

Modifié par Ona Demonie, 18 mars 2012 - 12:01 .

[Blackmind1]

njfluffy19 wrote...

www.youtube.com/watch

Squadmate deaths, a deleted scene.

So, if the theory of indoctrination is correct, how does this fit in? According to the theory, you aren't dreaming till after the beam...

In any case...

It was deleted, which implies it's no longer canon. The fact that they deleted their deaths from the final product actually adds evidence of the process not being real. Why would they delete the final death scenes of your friends from the final product if it truly happened?

Modifié par Blackmind1, 18 mars 2012 - 12:02 .

[Vandicus]

njfluffy19 wrote...

www.youtube.com/watch

Squadmate deaths, a deleted scene.

So, if the theory of indoctrination is correct, how does this fit in? According to the theory, you aren't dreaming till after the beam...

In any case...

No one ever said the companions didn't die. In fact part of indoctrination theory's basis is that dead companions from that charge teleport to the Normandy. 

[ronzem]

About this indoctrination theory, did anyone notice all those indoctrination devices throught the game? I noticed quite a few of those, on most planets. They are usually in dark places, or somewhat hidden.

http://img515.images...tiondevice1.jpg

(They are used as indoctrination devices on Sanctuary, and also used in the multiplayer mode as objectives)

Why are those placed all over the game? And at random places? they are also destroyable... hmm

Modifié par ronzem, 18 mars 2012 - 12:06 .

[Kiara]

njfluffy19 wrote...

www.youtube.com/watch

Squadmate deaths, a deleted scene.

So, if the theory of indoctrination is correct, how does this fit in? According to the theory, you aren't dreaming till after the beam...

In any case...

This would be before Shepard is hit be the beam wouldn't it? in that case it could still be true.. but then again this was a deleted scene, so there is no promise that this happened.

[VvAndromedavV]

Guys, you need to calm down a little bit. I support the indoctrination theory personally and all I was doing was coming here to point out something that isn't consistent and I have 5 people jumping down my throat saying things like, "Can't believe people are even bringing this up," "Thought you were trolling," "Can't believe the people that give credence to this," "I'm gonna get all clever like you and use the after-game thing to my advantage," etc.

Caaaaaaaaaalm doooooooooown.

It doesn't reflect well on this theory as a whole, nor on its supporters, to jump all over people who come in here and say, "Hey, I noticed one thing that doesn't make sense? Ideas?"

That being said, no, it's not "cannon" simply because it was in some pop-up, and yes, the game sends you back before the Cererbus mission---but that still doesn't explain why they would throw out the "Commander Shepard has ended the Reaper threat" statement in the first place.

Shove your head in the sand if you want, that is your prerogative, but it is completely legitimate to bring up the fact that the game states "Commander Shepard has ended the Reaper threat" regardless of EMS or color choice.

If you don't think that's a completely legitimate observation to make I think you're starting to lose your objectivity.

Modifié par VvAndromedavV, 18 mars 2012 - 12:05 .

[njfluffy19]

Vandicus wrote...

njfluffy19 wrote...

www.youtube.com/watch

Squadmate deaths, a deleted scene.

So, if the theory of indoctrination is correct, how does this fit in? According to the theory, you aren't dreaming till after the beam...

In any case...

No one ever said the companions didn't die. In fact part of indoctrination theory's basis is that dead companions from that charge teleport to the Normandy. 

But with high EMS, their bodies don't appear at the foot of the beam. Maybe so Shepard doesn't feel hopelessness?

[Kiara]

Kiara wrote...

njfluffy19 wrote...

www.youtube.com/watch

Squadmate deaths, a deleted scene.

So, if the theory of indoctrination is correct, how does this fit in? According to the theory, you aren't dreaming till after the beam...

In any case...

This would be before Shepard is hit by the beam wouldn't it? in that case it could still be true.. but then again this was a deleted scene, so there is no promise that this happened.

[Tailen]

Blackmind1 wrote...

njfluffy19 wrote...

www.youtube.com/watch

Squadmate deaths, a deleted scene.

So, if the theory of indoctrination is correct, how does this fit in? According to the theory, you aren't dreaming till after the beam...

In any case...

It was deleted, which implies it's no longer canon. The fact that they deleted their deaths from the final product actually adds evidence of the process not being real. Why would they delete the final death scenes of your friends from the final product if it truly happened?

This, and the fact that who knows what a higher EMS would have allowed for in that situation.  But if anything, cutting a scene like that is evidence that they wanted to leave more questions.  If you had something clearly real like this to attach to, the unreal stuff would be harder to pick apart imo.

[njfluffy19]

VvAndromedavV wrote...

Guys, you need to calm down a little bit. I support the indoctrination theory personally and all I was doing was coming here to point out something that isn't consistent and I have 5 people jumping down my throat saying things like, "Can't believe people are even bringing this up," "Thought you were trolling," "Can't believe the people that give credence to this," "I'm gonna get all clever like you and use the after-game thing to my advantage," etc.

Caaaaaaaaaalm doooooooooown.

It doesn't reflect well on this theory as a whole, nor on its supporters, to jump all over people who come in here and say, "Hey, I noticed one thing that doesn't make sense? Ideas?"

That being said, no, it's not "cannon" simply because it was in some pop-up, and yes, the game sends you back before the Cererbus mission---but that still doesn't explain why they would throw out the "Commander Shepard has ended the Reaper threat" statement in the first place.

Shove your head in the sand if you want, that is your prerogative, but it is completely legitimate to bring up the fact that the game states "Commander Shepard has ended the Reaper threat" regardless of EMS or color choice.

If you don't think that's a completely legitimate observation to make I think you're starting to lose your objectivity.

I figured it could be wishful thinking on Shep's behalf.

[sangy]

It's probably said somewhere, maybe within these 671 pages, but I think "if they do" change the ending where you're running towards the Reaper at end, you'll either wake up on the ground from a blast and realised that was all a dream and continue, or without being knocked to the ground/knocked out, it will just have been a vision. Then you'll continue from there.

What happens after that is beyond me. We need to take back earth and finish off the rest of the Reapers. Then it's time for the ending cutscenes for closure. There should be a lot of ending scenery.

[Legion109]

youtube

Sorry I think I got it wrong last time or from a playlist... Here is that vid hyperlinked I think (new to Forums and stuff)
Anyway I also wanted to thank all of you guys for giving me hope that the lousy ending they gave us really wasnt it.

[byne]

VvAndromedavV wrote...

Guys, you need to calm down a little bit. I support the indoctrination theory personally and all I was doing was coming here to point out something that isn't consistent and I have 5 people jumping down my throat saying this like, "Can't believe people are even bringing this up," "Thought you were trolling," "Can't believe the people that give credence to this,"I'm gonna get all clever like you and use the after-game thing to my advantage."

Caaaaaaaaaalm doooooooooown.

It doesn't reflect well on this theory as a whole, nor on its supporters, to jump all over people who come in here and say, "Hey, I noticed one thing that doesn't make sense? Ideas?"

That being said, no, it's not "cannon" simply because it was in some pop-up, and yes, the game sends you back before the Cererbus mission---but that still doesn't explain why they would throw out the "Commander Shepard has ended the Reaper threat" statement in the first place.

Shove your head in the sand if you want, that is your prerogative, but it is completely legitimate to bring up the fact that the game states "Commander Shepard has ended the Reaper threat" regardless of EMS or color choice.

If you don't think that's a completely legitimate observation to make I think you're starting to lose your objectivity.

I apologize. I am just confused as to why so many people give so much credence to a pop-up message that breaks the fourth wall. I've seen so many people bring it up my patience is a little short when it comes to it. Didnt mean to jump all over you like I did. 

Anyhow, you basically get the same kind of message at the end of ME2, and ME2 had DLC that chronologically took place afterwards.

I figure they put 'Ended the Reaper threat' just to make you feel better after the horrible end you get.