57139 réponses à ce sujet

[FrozenDreamfall]

Did you guys see the posts in the non-spoiler section? sorry if it was said today,very hard to keep track with this thread.They answered most of them,also said it's not the last we'll hear from Shep and took our concerns in account.I only hope it will be true.

[Ona Demonie]

sangy wrote...

It's probably said somewhere, maybe within these 671 pages, but I think "if they do" change the ending where you're running towards the Reaper at end, you'll either wake up on the ground from a blast and realised that was all a dream and continue, or without being knocked to the ground/knocked out, it will just have been a vision. Then you'll continue from there.

What happens after that is beyond me. We need to take back earth and finish off the rest of the Reapers. Then it's time for the ending cutscenes for closure. There should be a lot of ending scenery.

I recall from one of the leaked scripts, Shepard was supposed to be in the rubble, with a metal thing in his leg. Anderson comes over, helps him up, and then they go into the Conduit. After that, its the same as the current endings.

One of the scrapped endings was where Shepard is somehow still on Earth, his/her LI comes over, helps Shepard up, hugs Shepard, and Anderson comes over and tells the player what happened.

[byne]

ronzem wrote...

About this indoctrination theory, did anyone notice all those indoctrination devices throught the game? I noticed quite a few of those, on most planets. They are usually in dark places, or somewhat hidden.

http://img515.images...tiondevice1.jpg

(They are used as indoctrination devices on Sanctuary, and also used in the multiplayer mode as objectives)

Why are those placed all over the game? And at random places? they are also destroyable... hmm

I believe those are just barrier engines. Basically the Reaper version of Cerberus shield pylons.

[SirLugash]

njfluffy19 wrote...

www.youtube.com/watch

Squadmate deaths, a deleted scene.

So, if the theory of indoctrination is correct, how does this fit in? According to the theory, you aren't dreaming till after the beam...

In any case...

Well it's deleted, so it doesn't matter, does it ?
Would have to see how the end cinematics would have played out.

Modifié par SirLugash, 18 mars 2012 - 12:10 .

[VvAndromedavV]

njfluffy19 wrote...
I figured it could be wishful thinking on Shep's behalf.

Nice interpretation. :-)

When I saw it (the second time) I suddenly felt like the indoctrination theory was wishful thinking on my behalf. I thought to my myself, "Wait, if Commander Shepard 'has ended the Reaper threat' in all scenarios, that doesn't bode well for my interpretation of the end."

Modifié par VvAndromedavV, 18 mars 2012 - 12:10 .

[Ona Demonie]

FrozenDreamfall wrote...

Did you guys see the posts in the non-spoiler section? sorry if it was said today,very hard to keep track with this thread.They answered most of them,also said it's not the last we'll hear from Shep and took our concerns in account.I only hope it will be true.

That doesn't confirm or deny that we'll be getting a DLC for the endings. It could just mean the Omega DLC or other single-player side missions. 

[Blackmind1]

Blackmind1 wrote...

http://en.wikipedia....uit_(channeling)

"A conduit, in esoterism, and spiritual discourse, is a specific object, person, location, or process (such as engaging in a séance or entering a trance), which allows a person to connect or communicate with a spiritual realm, metaphysical energy, or spiritual entity, or vice versa. The use of such a conduit may be entirely metaphorical or symbolic, or it may be earnestly believed to be functional."

You're kidding! Does this sound familiar?

*Bold for emphasis

Would like to bring this to everybody's attention again. This would imply that Shepard never even entered the Citadel. It was a trance.

[FrozenDreamfall]

Sorry,it was in the news thread,saw it wrong,this one in particular http://social.biowar.../index/10089946 and I know it isn't a confirm but at least it's something...it's a bit more than we got these days waiting and wondering.

[SirLugash]

FrozenDreamfall wrote...

Did you guys see the posts in the non-spoiler section? sorry if it was said today,very hard to keep track with this thread.They answered most of them,also said it's not the last we'll hear from Shep and took our concerns in account.I only hope it will be true.

What did they answer ? 
Could you provide some infos or a link ?

[AdmiralsJack]

Hopefully they give us a proper ending and not their space magic^^

[FrozenDreamfall]

Ona Demonie wrote...

sangy wrote...

It's probably said somewhere, maybe within these 671 pages, but I think "if they do" change the ending where you're running towards the Reaper at end, you'll either wake up on the ground from a blast and realised that was all a dream and continue, or without being knocked to the ground/knocked out, it will just have been a vision. Then you'll continue from there.

What happens after that is beyond me. We need to take back earth and finish off the rest of the Reapers. Then it's time for the ending cutscenes for closure. There should be a lot of ending scenery.

I recall from one of the leaked scripts, Shepard was supposed to be in the rubble, with a metal thing in his leg. Anderson comes over, helps him up, and then they go into the Conduit. After that, its the same as the current endings.

One of the scrapped endings was where Shepard is somehow still on Earth, his/her LI comes over, helps Shepard up, hugs Shepard, and Anderson comes over and tells the player what happened.

Wait,are you serious? is the last part with the LI true? Do you know a link or source to the scripts?

var fctb_tool=null;
function FCTB_Init_12a85deb85ec4478b896e429aa2cade2(t)
{
fctb_tool=t;
start(fctb_tool);
}
FCTB_Init_12a85deb85ec4478b896e429aa2cade2(document['FCTB_Init_827de8302c274941b1008567181848b5']); delete document['FCTB_Init_827de8302c274941b1008567181848b5']

[njfluffy19]

VvAndromedavV wrote...

njfluffy19 wrote...
I figured it could be wishful thinking on Shep's behalf.

Nice interpretation. :-)

When I saw it (the second time) I suddenly felt like the indoctrination theory was wishful thinking on my behalf. I thought to my myself, "Wait, if Commander Shepard 'has ended the Reaper threat' in all scenarios, that doesn't bode well for my interpretation of the end."

Yeah, I dunno. What would they put as a pop-up if they didn't put that and our theory was true? "WOOPS! You got indoctrinated! Wait till our new content is released to find out what happens next! Hahahah!"

[FrozenDreamfall]

SirLugash wrote...

FrozenDreamfall wrote...

Did you guys see the posts in the non-spoiler section? sorry if it was said today,very hard to keep track with this thread.They answered most of them,also said it's not the last we'll hear from Shep and took our concerns in account.I only hope it will be true.

What did they answer ? 
Could you provide some infos or a link ?

I did,it's a post earlier,it was in the news section,I got it wrong.Also does anyone know why when I quoute I get these damn random things at the end of my reply?

var fctb_tool=null;
function FCTB_Init_f17efaf88ab040e284039846fc26c78f(t)
{
fctb_tool=t;
start(fctb_tool);
}
FCTB_Init_f17efaf88ab040e284039846fc26c78f(document['FCTB_Init_f169cd0462054d5ea3fd14091b96fadf']); delete document['FCTB_Init_f169cd0462054d5ea3fd14091b96fadf']

[Dessalines]

http://www.forbes.co...blic-relations/

[KujaTheDarkOne2]

Vandicus wrote...

njfluffy19 wrote...

www.youtube.com/watch

Squadmate deaths, a deleted scene.

So, if the theory of indoctrination is correct, how does this fit in? According to the theory, you aren't dreaming till after the beam...

In any case...

No one ever said the companions didn't die. In fact part of indoctrination theory's basis is that dead companions from that charge teleport to the Normandy. 

I don't think them being on the Normandy is so confusing because they're definitely dead... They could have simply been injured by the beam, like Shepard. But then it would be really weird that Joker was able to fly in and pick them up so quick... especially given Harbinger was leaving the scene. Wouldn't Harbinger see the Normandy swooping down?

I'm sure the scene was deleted just to provide further ambiguity. They might be dead, they might not, but either way it doesn't make much sense for them to be on that ship so shortly after what was more or less a suicide run.

If future DLC showed that whoever you take with you at the end DOES die, though... Then I'll have to replay that mission without Liara and Garrus. I do not want them dead. :///

[FrostByte-GER]

byne wrote...

VvAndromedavV wrote...

I'm 100% for the indoctrination theory.

That being said, I just watched my husband finish the game. He chose "blue" and after the final cut-scene was the pop-up: "Commander Shepard has become a legend by ending the Reaper threat. Now you can continue to build that legend through further gameplay and downloadable content (DLC)."

Here's the problem: you get this exact same pop-up regardless of your EMS or your color choice at the end.

If the ending is a hallucination, and certain choices actually do lead to Shepard's indoctrination, why would every single scenario end with "Commander Shepard has become a legend by ending the Reaper threat"?

It makes no sense.

Someone else brings up the ending message thing.

I really do not understand the credence people give this.

A fourth-wall breaking pop-up imploring you to buy future DLC?

It must be canon!


I will use the after-game thing to my advantage too then.

After i beat the game it set me back to right before assaulting TIM's base.

Clearly this means the last two levels never even happened. Why else would it put me back before them?

See, it doesnt work like that.

Also...why would BioWare put you back to the TIM Base? There is nothing else
you can do . The Reapers have taken ALL systems... so you can't go
to other systems and do some DLC missions or anything else!!!

Modifié par FrostByte-GER, 18 mars 2012 - 12:18 .

[FalconRising]

@gamiSB

In my opinion, for what you describe to be the case, the god-child needs to do a much better job of selling Control and Synthesis, and dissuading Shepard away from Destruction. I don't feel Shepard was very strongly tempted towards the options your scenario says the Reapers want Shepard to choose. But this is beside the point.

What is not beside the point, and what I'm still trying to say, is why, in this complete hallucination, if there is a way out, why is it disguised as something Shepard is known to want? Since we're assuming that the Reapers are constructing this hallucination entirely within Shepard's mind, the way out - if there is one - should be somewhere Shepard would never think to look, or through doing something Shepard would normally never consider. Likewise, if the whole point is to get Shepard's mind to submit to Indoctrination - symbolically represented by completing the fantasy through one of its three choices - it makes sense if the "Destruction" path leads directly to Indoctrination.

@lemondish
I thought Shepard's goal was the preservation of life as it was known to this galactic cycle, and when Shepard says "peace", "peace" really refers to permanent cessation of the Reaper attacks on the developed races of the galaxy, and the loss of trillions of lives that result. Potato, potato.

@blackmind1
That's not quite what's going on here; Shepard is weakened and exhausted but still free, the point of this hallucination and indoctrination is to get Shepard to willingly become a prisoner.

I think that's everyone.

I also think I made a mistake by referring to specific choices at hand when referring to the Starchild phase of Indoctrination Theory. A better way to phrase what I'm getting at, is that it doesn't matter what choice Shepard makes, as long as it is made within the constraints of the hallucination at hand. As long as Shepard accepts the hallucination and the choices the Reapers present, indoctrination is complete.

[Quickdraw]

post doesn't really surprise me, i was expecting some sort of side story dlc hence why it places you at the place it does after the final mission, before everything goes to hell. the out roar seems to be well higher than the likes to me but i guess bioware has the numbers to be sure.

End of the day still got some way to go if we hope for it to be changed, big companies don't always like to back down unless its something extremely bad, he seems to stand by his choice and i respect him for it.

Even if the ending doesn't get changed ill edit my own one together if needs be just cause its the way i want it to go. still hope this theory pans out though.

[sangy]

@FrozenDreamfall

The ending I got, my LI ended up with Joker and Garrus. I sacraficed myself to destroy the Reapers, yet, everything went with them. Only living people I saw were the three just mentioned. Demonie might have it right. I was just guessing if they did change the end that would seem the most likely of parts to change it from. I could be wrong no doubt. With all the dreams Shepard was having throughout the game, seems likely.

That thing about the rebar through the leg, I've seen that pic somewhere. Everyone was trying to figure out if it was that or a Reaper cord. Something like that.

[njfluffy19]

KujaTheDarkOne2 wrote...

Vandicus wrote...

njfluffy19 wrote...

www.youtube.com/watch

Squadmate deaths, a deleted scene.

So, if the theory of indoctrination is correct, how does this fit in? According to the theory, you aren't dreaming till after the beam...

In any case...

No one ever said the companions didn't die. In fact part of indoctrination theory's basis is that dead companions from that charge teleport to the Normandy. 

I don't think them being on the Normandy is so confusing because they're definitely dead... They could have simply been injured by the beam, like Shepard. But then it would be really weird that Joker was able to fly in and pick them up so quick... especially given Harbinger was leaving the scene. Wouldn't Harbinger see the Normandy swooping down?

I'm sure the scene was deleted just to provide further ambiguity. They might be dead, they might not, but either way it doesn't make much sense for them to be on that ship so shortly after what was more or less a suicide run.

If future DLC showed that whoever you take with you at the end DOES die, though... Then I'll have to replay that mission without Liara and Garrus. I do not want them dead. :///

I know, I was telling my husband that if that happened, I'd just have restarted the mission with Vega and Javek (or Kaidan, depending). I still would've felt like crap.

[VvAndromedavV]

byne wrote...

I apologize. I am just confused as to why so many people give so much credence to a pop-up message that breaks the fourth wall. I've seen so many people bring it up my patience is a little short when it comes to it. Didnt mean to jump all over you like I did. 

Anyhow, you basically get the same kind of message at the end of ME2, and ME2 had DLC that chronologically took place afterwards.

I figure they put 'Ended the Reaper threat' just to make you feel better after the horrible end you get.

I've played all the ME games and I am familiar with the message at the end of ME2.

People bring it up because even through it breaks the fourth wall it's almost like a statement of intent from the developer to the player: "Shepard has ended the Reaper threat."

[Ona Demonie]

FrozenDreamfall wrote...

Ona Demonie wrote...

sangy wrote...

It's probably said somewhere, maybe within these 671 pages, but I think "if they do" change the ending where you're running towards the Reaper at end, you'll either wake up on the ground from a blast and realised that was all a dream and continue, or without being knocked to the ground/knocked out, it will just have been a vision. Then you'll continue from there.

What happens after that is beyond me. We need to take back earth and finish off the rest of the Reapers. Then it's time for the ending cutscenes for closure. There should be a lot of ending scenery.

I recall from one of the leaked scripts, Shepard was supposed to be in the rubble, with a metal thing in his leg. Anderson comes over, helps him up, and then they go into the Conduit. After that, its the same as the current endings.

One of the scrapped endings was where Shepard is somehow still on Earth, his/her LI comes over, helps Shepard up, hugs Shepard, and Anderson comes over and tells the player what happened.

Wait,are you serious? is the last part with the LI true? Do you know a link or source to the scripts?

I don't have the scripts, but I just recall seeing that was one of the endings. Brenon Holmes (Senior Designer) told one BSN user (who posted his messages in the group I'm in) that there was a happy ending that both Casey Hudson and some other head guy really liked, but it was taken out. Brenon doesn't know why, since he's been kept out of the loop. Could have been taken out because Mac didn't want that (hint, the Final Hours notes he had) or to put it into a DLC (rumored).

[sangy]

@ Ona Demonie

Very Interesting.

[Ona Demonie]

FrostByte-GER wrote...
Also...why would BioWare put you back to the TIM Base? There is nothing else
you can do . The Reapers have taken ALL systems... so you can't go
to other systems and do some DLC missions or anything else!!!

You can still go to other systems. It reloads a save to where you're back on the Normandy and you can view the Galaxy Map and go to any system. 

[VvAndromedavV]

njfluffy19 wrote...

Yeah, I dunno. What would they put as a pop-up if they didn't put that and our theory was true? "WOOPS! You got indoctrinated! Wait till our new content is released to find out what happens next! Hahahah!"

I would have gone with "Commander Shepard has become a legend. Now you can continue to build that legend through further gameplay and downloadable content (DLC)."

See? 100% as legit, but without the bothersome "BY ENDING THE REAPER THREAT" line.

Modifié par VvAndromedavV, 18 mars 2012 - 12:25 .