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#16826
Rifneno

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Haven't caught up yet, but lol at the notion that Anderson could hide from Harbinger. Even if there WAS cover there, hello, Harbinger is a billion+ year old war machine created to commit genocide as casually as we eat a chocolate bar. Do you HONESTLY think he doesn't have infrared, radar, sonar, every single method of detecting things that we know of plus a hundred more? And he's flying away after shooting Shepard. Do you think he did that while there's a chance an old guy is hiding behind a frickin' tree? Seriously?

Also, this doesn't get mentioned enough but take the renegade (lower left not lower right) dialogue with TIM the first time in the Citadel. "Because... I need you to believe." He needs Shepard to believe? The same guy who said to Shepard on Mars, "I don't expect you to understand, and I'm certainly not looking for your approval."? If that doesn't set off every alarm bell you have, then check the batteries in your alarms.

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VvAndromedavV wrote...

KujaTheDarkOne2 wrote...

njfluffy19 wrote...

The pop-up at the end just cheapens the experience IMO. I could have done without it. Just don't even let me load the game up, ffs.


Yeah, it was stupid. It's like "Hey, don't forget that this massive experience you've just completed is a game, and that you can buy/download more of it eventually! :D"

It's like, hey. Shut up. You could've told me that at the title screen. Don't pop up right after the end, when I'm still in the process of, well, processing everything.


Completely agree with both of you, the pop-up at the end was extremely tacky and cheap (regardless of its meaning).

I mean I was trying to absorb all this information, I was all emotional, and then bam, pop-up telling me to buy stuff.

Ugh.


Going by the current endings, no one knows what happened to Shepard after s/he passed out on the magic space elevator.

How does one become a legend by dying before the threat is ended, which is what everyone else would think happened? No one but Shepard would know what happened with the godchild.

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A question. Some hope, or news about the rumor of DLC "The Truth"?

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byne wrote...


Going by the current endings, no one knows what happened to Shepard after s/he passed out on the magic space elevator.

How does one become a legend by dying before the threat is ended, which is what everyone else would think happened? No one but Shepard would know what happened with the godchild.


Space magic dictates they would have figured Shepard solved the problem when the Reapers dropped or flew away into dark space. :wizard:

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@Ona Demonie it is,and I don't know if I should feel bad for Bioware and blame EA or blame both,just...hard to believe the people that made kotor and DAO would do this...well when you change the lead designer you kind of get the idea of what happened.Also my cousin is in PR and she told me this is a suicide attempt for Bioware if they continue like this.At least it raised some funds and brought the BSN community really close,in case you don't count those who fight over loving and hating the end.I don't hate it and I get it,I really do,huge sacrifices have to be made but...their promises to us,the questions left unanswered,all of this screams "bad way to end this series!" And ya,I heard about SWTOR players,did you guys read about the huge number of insane and unjustified bans in the game? Apparently same happens in multiplayer.I read a post a few days ago that made me scared to even touch the multiplayer and just when I started to really like it.

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EXMugamy wrote...

A question. Some hope, or news about the rumor of DLC "The Truth"?


I think the ME Twitter account debunked the name, but not specifically any possibility of DLC with similar content.

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VvAndromedavV wrote...

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doesnt specify what reaper threat, the could've ment indoctrination :alien:


So...

Blue & green = indoctrinated Shepard = Commander Shepard has ended the Reaper threat ... by becoming indoctrinated?

I want to believe, but no.

Well, with options either leading to indoctrination, or breaking indoctrination. Having chosen one of them technically the threat of being indoctrinated is over :alien:

#16833
FrozenDreamfall

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@njfluffy19 your signature is hilarious.Garrus-Chuck Norris jokes >:))

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FrozenDreamfall wrote...

@Ona Demonie it is,and I don't know if I should feel bad for Bioware and blame EA or blame both,just...hard to believe the people that made kotor and DAO would do this...well when you change the lead designer you kind of get the idea of what happened.Also my cousin is in PR and she told me this is a suicide attempt for Bioware if they continue like this.At least it raised some funds and brought the BSN community really close,in case you don't count those who fight over loving and hating the end.I don't hate it and I get it,I really do,huge sacrifices have to be made but...their promises to us,the questions left unanswered,all of this screams "bad way to end this series!" And ya,I heard about SWTOR players,did you guys read about the huge number of insane and unjustified bans in the game? Apparently same happens in multiplayer.I read a post a few days ago that made me scared to even touch the multiplayer and just when I started to really like it.

It seems like BioWare went downhill with DA2, but at least players got a happy ending with their LI. Compared to DA2's outrage, this current one make DA2's outrage seem like nothing. 

Heck, even PROFESSIONAL writers/english majors say the endings aren't good (but they do list things they liked). 

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KujaTheDarkOne2 wrote...

EXMugamy wrote...

A question. Some hope, or news about the rumor of DLC "The Truth"?


I think the ME Twitter account debunked the name, but not specifically any possibility of DLC with similar content.

You have to admit, naming it "The Truth" doesn't sound good. 1) It sounds like they lied and lying isn't good for business. 2) It doesn't flow with the ME3 universe. If it was named "The Truth", I would think its Assassin's Creed DLC solely because in AC, the whole game series has been about, well, the truth. 3) Needs a catchy title. Maybe like "Die Another Day" or "Take Back Earth" (I KNOW, I KNOW. Still). Maybe "Darkest Hour". 

Modifié par Ona Demonie, 18 mars 2012 - 12:52 .


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Ona Demonie wrote...

KujaTheDarkOne2 wrote...

EXMugamy wrote...

A question. Some hope, or news about the rumor of DLC "The Truth"?


I think the ME Twitter account debunked the name, but not specifically any possibility of DLC with similar content.

You have to admit, naming it "The Truth" doesn't sound good. 1) It sounds like they lied and lying isn't good for business. 2) It doesn't flow with the ME3 universe. If it was named "The Truth", I would think its Assassin's Creed DLC solely because in AC, the whole game series has been about, well, the truth. 3) Needs a catchy title. Maybe like "Die Another Day" or "Take Back Earth" (I KNOW, I KNOW. Still). Maybe "Darkest Hour". 


I've got a good one right here: Patch 1.01

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Ona Demonie wrote...
You have to admit, naming it "The Truth" doesn't sound good. 1) It sounds like they lied and lying isn't good for business. 2) It doesn't flow with the ME3 universe. If it was named "The Truth", I would think its Assassin's Creed DLC solely because in AC, the whole game series has been about, well, the truth. 3) Needs a catchy title. Maybe like "Die Another Day" or "Take Back Earth" (I KNOW, I KNOW. Still). Maybe "Darkest Hour". 


"Take Back Earth (For Real This Time LOL)"

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KujaTheDarkOne2

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Abdul_777 wrote...

Ona Demonie wrote...

KujaTheDarkOne2 wrote...

EXMugamy wrote...

A question. Some hope, or news about the rumor of DLC "The Truth"?


I think the ME Twitter account debunked the name, but not specifically any possibility of DLC with similar content.

You have to admit, naming it "The Truth" doesn't sound good. 1) It sounds like they lied and lying isn't good for business. 2) It doesn't flow with the ME3 universe. If it was named "The Truth", I would think its Assassin's Creed DLC solely because in AC, the whole game series has been about, well, the truth. 3) Needs a catchy title. Maybe like "Die Another Day" or "Take Back Earth" (I KNOW, I KNOW. Still). Maybe "Darkest Hour". 


I've got a good one right here: Patch 1.01


I chuckled.

#16839
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njfluffy19 wrote...

byne wrote...


Going by the current endings, no one knows what happened to Shepard after s/he passed out on the magic space elevator.

How does one become a legend by dying before the threat is ended, which is what everyone else would think happened? No one but Shepard would know what happened with the godchild.


Space magic dictates they would have figured Shepard solved the problem when the Reapers dropped or flew away into dark space. :wizard:


Not a huge leap there to figure if Shepard, already a hero in most people's eyes, was last seen attempting to access the Citadel via the beam, and then ??? minutes later Reapers are exploding or retreating, Shepard did something right.

No one would know exactly what happened, and no one would know about the God child, but yeah, I think it's pretty easy to think that the assumption would be Shepard was responsible for "ending the Reaper threat," whatever that even means.

Not saying the whole "space magic" thing makes any sense, though.

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I think it should be named something like... Determination. Resolve. Defiance. Something like those. A single word, simple, that describes what Shepard must have to break the hold of indoctrination.

#16841
Ona Demonie

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Uh, wow. Guys, the price for ME3 has seriously dropped. Amazon has it NEW for $39. Game has it for $28. Oh, and amazon is giving refunds for PC versions, which is rare.

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jackncoke28 wrote...

Well, with options either leading to indoctrination, or breaking indoctrination. Having chosen one of them technically the threat of being indoctrinated is over :alien:


Eh, I'll give it to you, yeah---but somehow I doubt that was the intention when "Shepard has ended the Reaper threat" was written.

It would be cool if it did mean that, though.

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VvAndromedavV wrote...

njfluffy19 wrote...

byne wrote...


Going by the current endings, no one knows what happened to Shepard after s/he passed out on the magic space elevator.

How does one become a legend by dying before the threat is ended, which is what everyone else would think happened? No one but Shepard would know what happened with the godchild.


Space magic dictates they would have figured Shepard solved the problem when the Reapers dropped or flew away into dark space. :wizard:


Not a huge leap there to figure if Shepard, already a hero in most people's eyes, was last seen attempting to access the Citadel via the beam, and then ??? minutes later Reapers are exploding or retreating, Shepard did something right.

No one would know exactly what happened, and no one would know about the God child, but yeah, I think it's pretty easy to think that the assumption would be Shepard was responsible for "ending the Reaper threat," whatever that even means.

Not saying the whole "space magic" thing makes any sense, though.


The reaper retreat maybe but how does Buzz Aldrin know about the god child if Shepard didn't tell someone?

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I think Buzz Aldrin was speculating

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Ona Demonie wrote...

Uh, wow. Guys, the price for ME3 has seriously dropped. Amazon has it NEW for $39. Game has it for $28. Oh, and amazon is giving refunds for PC versions, which is rare.


Okay.  Seriously, BW.  Do something.  Immediately.  That's scary.

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The reaper retreat maybe but how does Buzz Aldrin know about the god child if Shepard didn't tell someone?


They told us it's just an easter egg.

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Vandicus wrote...

VvAndromedavV wrote...

njfluffy19 wrote...

byne wrote...


Going by the current endings, no one knows what happened to Shepard after s/he passed out on the magic space elevator.

How does one become a legend by dying before the threat is ended, which is what everyone else would think happened? No one but Shepard would know what happened with the godchild.


Space magic dictates they would have figured Shepard solved the problem when the Reapers dropped or flew away into dark space. :wizard:


Not a huge leap there to figure if Shepard, already a hero in most people's eyes, was last seen attempting to access the Citadel via the beam, and then ??? minutes later Reapers are exploding or retreating, Shepard did something right.

No one would know exactly what happened, and no one would know about the God child, but yeah, I think it's pretty easy to think that the assumption would be Shepard was responsible for "ending the Reaper threat," whatever that even means.

Not saying the whole "space magic" thing makes any sense, though.


The reaper retreat maybe but how does Buzz Aldrin know about the god child if Shepard didn't tell someone?


How do the Reapers get back to darkspace anyway with the relays gone? Do they just fly for tens of thousands of years through space... Well, that's likely an exaggeration. :P

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Vandicus wrote...

The reaper retreat maybe but how does Buzz Aldrin know about the god child if Shepard didn't tell someone?


I don't know, the same reason why he knows what my Shepard and Garrus have been up to in the bedroom?

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Rifneno wrote...

Harbinger is a billion+ year old war machine created to commit genocide as casually as we eat a chocolate bar.


Thanks for this. I laughed. :lol:

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what do you think is the biggest hint that kinda gave a way for us to believe in this theory?

I think for me it was Hackett telling Shepard that something must be wrong at Shepard's hand... when it clearly states that everybody assumes that the ground forces have been wiped out. Also the under the ruble ending ....

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VvAndromedavV wrote...

Vandicus wrote...

The reaper retreat maybe but how does Buzz Aldrin know about the god child if Shepard didn't tell someone?


I don't know, the same reason why he knows what my Shepard and Garrus have been up to in the bedroom?


Clearly interspecies sex is suitable for a bedtime story.

Stargazer man is weird.