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[Ichinei]

hey just quickly wanted to show this, i was glancing at the suggested feedback thread where i found this flowchart regarding a better ending, alot of people (including me) think its very well put together so il just link it here =P
btw i apologise if this has been already linked.
http://i.imgur.com/JhtqY.jpg

[Martukis]

The mass relays in this case seem to have burned themselves out rather than been blown up like in arrival - or so I assume, given the scenes and the fact that people survived the shockwave. Someone pointed out a couple hundred pages ago but no one seemed to comment - it looks like the relay-to-relay space magic spread originates in the Viper system rather than the Sol system. Rather odd.

[Legion109]

You know I was imagining some kick ass scene in control where you see Shepard grab the handles his/her eyes begin glowing and his/her body slowly starts to burn, then cinematics of reapers turning against each other and firing as Shepard uses his/her immense will to take control of them but the effort destroys shepard leaving behind a mutilated body with the slightly melted N7 dog tags.

But Indoception is cool

[jackncoke28]

byne wrote...

Bawbtheepic wrote...

If you want them to change the ending stop posting your just doing what they want you to do O____O

While I agree that according to the notes from that ipad app, it seems like speculation was what they wanted, i dont think they wanted speculation to arise simply because of how horribly bad the endings were, so I doubt thats what they wanted us to do.

As it stands i see speculation starting to turn into ridicule. they need to say something soon. maybe pride wil finally force their hand

[Vandicus]

Martukis wrote...

The mass relays in this case seem to have burned themselves out rather than been blown up like in arrival - or so I assume, given the scenes and the fact that people survived the shockwave. Someone pointed out a couple hundred pages ago but no one seemed to comment - it looks like the relay-to-relay space magic spread originates in the Viper system rather than the Sol system. Rather odd.

I believe "Rather odd" is how the entire ending can be categorized.

[Shalaan]

Not sure if anyone else have been thinking of it too, but have anyone thought about why they choose to make the Catalyst be potrayed by a child? I mean, in the beginning of the game, Shepard sees the child and how the child dies from a reaper attack, it obviously affects Shepard enough to keep dreaming of this child. If the end of the game is indoctrination and everything that we see is something that Shepard have made up and shaped in his/her mind, then it would be obvious that the catalyst is potrayed as a child.
Usually children are portrayed as innocent and purity. Shepard feels moved by the child when he dies, even appearing in his/her dreams and haunt him/her. Later on, the Catalyst is shown as this child or one that looks alike. If it is Harbinger trying to tell Shepard what to do through indoctrination, maybe Shepard feel more at ease and "trusts" the child's words because it looks like a child. If it was Harbinger himself standing there telling Shepard what choice would do what, I wouldnt think that Shepard couldnt trust him at all.
Not sure if people get my flow, but I found it rather clever by BioWare to let a child "manipulate" Shepard into taking the choice in the Reaper's favor.

[Ona Demonie]

Shalaan wrote...

Not sure if anyone else have been thinking of it too, but have anyone thought about why they choose to make the Catalyst be potrayed by a child? I mean, in the beginning of the game, Shepard sees the child and how the child dies from a reaper attack, it obviously affects Shepard enough to keep dreaming of this child. If the end of the game is indoctrination and everything that we see is something that Shepard have made up and shaped in his/her mind, then it would be obvious that the catalyst is potrayed as a child.
Usually children are portrayed as innocent and purity. Shepard feels moved by the child when he dies, even appearing in his/her dreams and haunt him/her. Later on, the Catalyst is shown as this child or one that looks alike. If it is Harbinger trying to tell Shepard what to do through indoctrination, maybe Shepard feel more at ease and "trusts" the child's words because it looks like a child. If it was Harbinger himself standing there telling Shepard what choice would do what, I wouldnt think that Shepard couldnt trust him at all.
Not sure if people get my flow, but I found it rather clever by BioWare to let a child "manipulate" Shepard into taking the choice in the Reaper's favor.

I believe it was brought up, but Reapers use children as a way to manipulate people, seeing how humans react with children.

[jackncoke28]

Vandicus wrote...

Martukis wrote...

The mass relays in this case seem to have burned themselves out rather than been blown up like in arrival - or so I assume, given the scenes and the fact that people survived the shockwave. Someone pointed out a couple hundred pages ago but no one seemed to comment - it looks like the relay-to-relay space magic spread originates in the Viper system rather than the Sol system. Rather odd.

I believe "Rather odd" is how the entire ending can be categorized.

whats in the viper system? any significant locations?

edit: nvrmnd, it's location of arrival dlc

Modifié par jackncoke28, 18 mars 2012 - 01:42 .

[Golferguy758]

I really wouldn't put much stock in the pop-up at the end. it's just a 4th wall thing.

[Ona Demonie]

jackncoke28 wrote...

Vandicus wrote...

Martukis wrote...

The mass relays in this case seem to have burned themselves out rather than been blown up like in arrival - or so I assume, given the scenes and the fact that people survived the shockwave. Someone pointed out a couple hundred pages ago but no one seemed to comment - it looks like the relay-to-relay space magic spread originates in the Viper system rather than the Sol system. Rather odd.

I believe "Rather odd" is how the entire ending can be categorized.

whats in the viper system? any significant locations?

Viper System opened up with the Arrival DLC in ME2. Which is odd that it would start in the Viper System since the mass relay in the Viper System was destroyed by an Asteroid. 

[byne]

jackncoke28 wrote...

Vandicus wrote...

Martukis wrote...

The mass relays in this case seem to have burned themselves out rather than been blown up like in arrival - or so I assume, given the scenes and the fact that people survived the shockwave. Someone pointed out a couple hundred pages ago but no one seemed to comment - it looks like the relay-to-relay space magic spread originates in the Viper system rather than the Sol system. Rather odd.

I believe "Rather odd" is how the entire ending can be categorized.

whats in the viper system? any significant locations?

Nothing at all is in the Viper System.

Not even a Mass Relay.

You blew it all up.

[Lallymonster]

I don't know if this timing concept has been brought up yet:

How do we feel about the ending being a hallucination, and having chosen the red/destroy ending, when we see the cut scene of Shepard breathing, is it possible that this is Shepard waking up immediately (or shortly thereafter) having eaten the blast from Harbs? That since the theoretical struggle was in the head, this is him/her waking up still on earth, having successfully fended off indoctrination?

If true, it would be a great time to pick up with a DLC ending. Waking up and REALLY, consciously making it to the beam etc. etc.

Your thoughts?

The only downside I can think of would be whether or not Marauder Shields plays a part in reality or not.

[KujaTheDarkOne2]

Lallymonster wrote...

I don't know if this timing concept has been brought up yet:

How do we feel about the ending being a hallucination, and having chosen the red/destroy ending, when we see the cut scene of Shepard breathing, is it possible that this is Shepard waking up immediately (or shortly thereafter) having eaten the blast from Harbs? That since the theoretical struggle was in the head, this is him/her waking up still on earth, having successfully fended off indoctrination?

If true, it would be a great time to pick up with a DLC ending. Waking up and REALLY, consciously making it to the beam etc. etc.

Your thoughts?

The only downside I can think of would be whether or not Marauder Shields plays a part in reality or not.

Yeah. That's exactly what we think the breathing cutscene is.

Marauder Shields' sacrifice will always be remembered - figment of imagination or no.

[byne]

Wait wait wait, hold everything.

Can someone verify if the chain reaction starts in the Viper system or not?

Because, I have seen multiple people (myself included) say they believe that at the end, the galaxy is representative of the neural pathways in Shep's brain, with red being the brain rejecting indoctrination, and blue/green accepting it.

If the chain reaction does in fact start in the Viper nebula, we could assume that Shep's brain perceives that zone of space as being where indoctrination started (by being unconscious near Object Rho for two days), hence why the chain reaction of rejection/acceptance would start there.

I think I just blew my own mind.

[Lallymonster]

KujaTheDarkOne2 wrote...

Lallymonster wrote...

I don't know if this timing concept has been brought up yet:

How do we feel about the ending being a hallucination, and having chosen the red/destroy ending, when we see the cut scene of Shepard breathing, is it possible that this is Shepard waking up immediately (or shortly thereafter) having eaten the blast from Harbs? That since the theoretical struggle was in the head, this is him/her waking up still on earth, having successfully fended off indoctrination?

If true, it would be a great time to pick up with a DLC ending. Waking up and REALLY, consciously making it to the beam etc. etc.

Your thoughts?

The only downside I can think of would be whether or not Marauder Shields plays a part in reality or not.

Yeah. That's exactly what we think the breathing cutscene is.

Marauder Shields' sacrifice will always be remembered - figment of imagination or no.

That was some epic grammar/apostraphe location usage.  +2 internets to you! 


/space magic

[Martukis]

Well, someone said it yesterday, I assumed it was the case. I don't have a comparison handy at the moment, but I will fetch one.

[SirLugash]

Ichinei wrote...

hey just quickly wanted to show this, i was glancing at the suggested feedback thread where i found this flowchart regarding a better ending, alot of people (including me) think its very well put together so il just link it here =P
btw i apologise if this has been already linked.
http://i.imgur.com/JhtqY.jpg

Now this looks like a wide branch of endings, i like it.
Just hoping that there were proper cinematics and stuff to represent these endings.
It's a start, a good one.

[Rifneno]

Ona Demonie wrote...

I believe it was brought up, but Reapers use children as a way to manipulate people, seeing how humans react with children.

The collector said in his cycle the Reapers used their own children against them.

All hail foreshadowing.

Oh, and am I the only one who didn't mind Tali's picture?  It looked reasonably alien but quite a relief from what I was expecting.  I don't mean that as anything against her.  I'm not one of the rabid fans but she's a sweet girl and I'm so proud of her for overcoming her quarian anti-geth upbringing after meeting Legion.  Her body structure just... doesn't look like a mammal.  I was expecting something kind of frog-like from the way her legs are built and the large-but-few fingers and toes.  I think she looks great.  Is it really so horrible that they editted a stock photo of a real woman rather than create something from scratch?

[FRancium]

byne wrote...

Wait wait wait, hold everything.

Can someone verify if the chain reaction starts in the Viper system or not?

Because, I have seen multiple people (myself included) say they believe that at the end, the galaxy is representative of the neural pathways in Shep's brain, with red being the brain rejecting indoctrination, and blue/green accepting it.

If the chain reaction does in fact start in the Viper nebula, we could assume that Shep's brain perceives that zone of space as being where indoctrination started (by being unconscious near Object Rho for two days), hence why the chain reaction of rejection/acceptance would start there.

I think I just blew my own mind.

clap clap:lol:
If BIoware doesn't do anything, maybe we should just make a mod to insert this ending.

[KujaTheDarkOne2]

Lallymonster wrote...

KujaTheDarkOne2 wrote...

Lallymonster wrote...

I don't know if this timing concept has been brought up yet:

How do we feel about the ending being a hallucination, and having chosen the red/destroy ending, when we see the cut scene of Shepard breathing, is it possible that this is Shepard waking up immediately (or shortly thereafter) having eaten the blast from Harbs? That since the theoretical struggle was in the head, this is him/her waking up still on earth, having successfully fended off indoctrination?

If true, it would be a great time to pick up with a DLC ending. Waking up and REALLY, consciously making it to the beam etc. etc.

Your thoughts?

The only downside I can think of would be whether or not Marauder Shields plays a part in reality or not.

Yeah. That's exactly what we think the breathing cutscene is.

Marauder Shields' sacrifice will always be remembered - figment of imagination or no.

That was some epic grammar/apostraphe location usage.  +2 internets to you! 


/space magic

I love being able to use an apostrophe like that! Also yay internets!

Btw, byne, I'm looking it up on Youtube right now!

[DCYNIGR8]

KujaTheDarkOne2 wrote...

VvAndromedavV wrote...

njfluffy19 wrote...

Yeah, I dunno. What would they put as a pop-up if they didn't put that and our theory was true? "WOOPS! You got indoctrinated! Wait till our new content is released to find out what happens next! Hahahah!"

I would have gone with "Commander Shepard has become a legend. Now you can continue to build that legend through further gameplay and downloadable content (DLC)."

See? 100% as legit, but without the bothersome "BY ENDING THE REAPER THREAT" line.

That would've been a better line, allowing for more of the precious ambiguity they seem to so crave, definitely.

But seriously, like byne said, it's just a message imploring you to download future DLC. It could very well be an error, and not even have been written by the main team, you know? If the Indoctrination theory were actually planned, the people planning it weren't necessarily writing that little message at the end.

Ugh, why would they want ambiguity at the end of a trilogy such as this? Why would they think the players want it? Baffles me. I would like a conclusion and to see the repercussions of my decisions, not space magic and plot holes. I'll continue to hold the line for this reason.

The indoctrination theory makes sense to me and it's the only reason I can bring myself to playthrough my other saves. As for DLC, I can't see myself purcashing any pre-ending/multiplayer DLC until this 'endings' situation is addressed.

[Elscotto1989]

been offline for a while any news?

[keith123456789]

What the **** happened to Renegade, I mean it used to be fun in the previous games, now in ME3 you are just pure evil. I'm surprised Shepard didn't eat a box full of of live puppies or burn down an orphanage or rape, kill and ****** on a space hobo. This game has way too many problems. The endings suck, the moral choices boil down to either Mother Teresa Superman or Charles Manson bathing in afterbirth. Mass Effect 2 was so much better.

[MissMaster_2]

This thread is the only thing that can save me3

[jackncoke28]

byne wrote...

Wait wait wait, hold everything.

Can someone verify if the chain reaction starts in the Viper system or not?

Because, I have seen multiple people (myself included) say they believe that at the end, the galaxy is representative of the neural pathways in Shep's brain, with red being the brain rejecting indoctrination, and blue/green accepting it.

If the chain reaction does in fact start in the Viper nebula, we could assume that Shep's brain perceives that zone of space as being where indoctrination started (by being unconscious near Object Rho for two days), hence why the chain reaction of rejection/acceptance would start there.

I think I just blew my own mind.

duuuuuuuude