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[nighthawk132651]

been waitin forever to be able to post but has anyone ever noticted that sheps eye colors change brown or black. i noticed this whlie talking to TIM at the end his eys turned brown from blue then when i sat down with anderson they where blue agian (space magic?

Modifié par nighthawk132651, 18 mars 2012 - 01:55 .

[agn25]

crimsontotem wrote...

what do you think is the biggest hint that kinda gave a way for us to believe in this theory?

I think for me it was Hackett telling Shepard that something must be wrong at Shepard's hand... when it clearly states that everybody assumes that the ground forces have been wiped out. Also the under the ruble ending ....

 
 I have got to admit I chose the the everyones a cyborg ending the first time. I knew straight away something was wrong though. I then started listening and reading through the codex and had an OMG moment when I read the indoctrination entry. It almost point to point describes what Shepard experiences on the citadel. So unfortunately my first and original Shep lost his battle with indoctrination.

[KujaTheDarkOne2]

Okay, so, I'm actually not that great at identifying where it is. So I took a screenshot of the Youtube vid.

http://i39.tinypic.com/1zzm03l.png

The one with the wide red ring around it is where it started.

[Knut0]

jackncoke28 wrote...

byne wrote...

Wait wait wait, hold everything.

Can someone verify if the chain reaction starts in the Viper system or not?

Because, I have seen multiple people (myself included) say they believe that at the end, the galaxy is representative of the neural pathways in Shep's brain, with red being the brain rejecting indoctrination, and blue/green accepting it.

If the chain reaction does in fact start in the Viper nebula, we could assume that Shep's brain perceives that zone of space as being where indoctrination started (by being unconscious near Object Rho for two days), hence why the chain reaction of rejection/acceptance would start there.

I think I just blew my own mind.

duuuuuuuude

That, I think, is a little TOO deep to be possible. Nice theory though,

[Martukis]

Well, the local cluster certainly seems closer to the galactic core than where the beams start in the cutscene, at lease to me.
 Using the snapshot above, and the wiki: http://masseffect.wi.../wiki/Milky_Way , they seem different. Unless the Galaxy map scale and such changed, which is possible.

Modifié par Martukis, 18 mars 2012 - 01:59 .

[FalconRising]

jackncoke28 wrote...

As far as destroy option, i dont see it as an option reapers are giving you, more so that it is an indication of Shepard still having part of his/her freewill

The Reapers are not "giving" you anything.  Nothing you do in the hallucination affects anything in the real world outside it, save for Shepard him/herself.  Playing out the hallucination - as long as you choose one of the paths given by Starchild - is symbolic of submitting to the Reapers and Indoctrination. 

[Emperor_Ike]

Rifneno wrote...

Ona Demonie wrote...

I believe it was brought up, but Reapers use children as a way to manipulate people, seeing how humans react with children.

The collector said in his cycle the Reapers used their own children against them.

All hail foreshadowing.

Oh, and am I the only one who didn't mind Tali's picture?  It looked reasonably alien but quite a relief from what I was expecting.  I don't mean that as anything against her.  I'm not one of the rabid fans but she's a sweet girl and I'm so proud of her for overcoming her quarian anti-geth upbringing after meeting Legion.  Her body structure just... doesn't look like a mammal.  I was expecting something kind of frog-like from the way her legs are built and the large-but-few fingers and toes.  I think she looks great.  Is it really so horrible that they editted a stock photo of a real woman rather than create something from scratch?

You know, I haven't read a post of yours I can find fault with. Your opinion on the Tali pic seals it. Broheart.

I was expecting frog or lizard or something, even with dem hips and, *ahem*, mammal-specific glands, but even so I found I didn't much care how her face turned out because of how fond I'd grown of the character. So all I can say is thank you Bioware for making such a beautiful person actually.. beautiful.

And I think she'd be fascinated by our extra couple of digits, you know? Genuinely curious and mystified. Imagining point-of-view is fun, heh.

Anywho. Back to line-holding.

[Vandicus]

byne wrote...

Wait wait wait, hold everything.

Can someone verify if the chain reaction starts in the Viper system or not?

Because, I have seen multiple people (myself included) say they believe that at the end, the galaxy is representative of the neural pathways in Shep's brain, with red being the brain rejecting indoctrination, and blue/green accepting it.

If the chain reaction does in fact start in the Viper nebula, we could assume that Shep's brain perceives that zone of space as being where indoctrination started (by being unconscious near Object Rho for two days), hence why the chain reaction of rejection/acceptance would start there.

I think I just blew my own mind.

Its generally just considered to be artistic license or a screw up. The map clearly shows the sequence doesn't start in the Sol system though.

[SirLugash]

This picture of the galaxy map was posted in this forum somewhere, the red dot show the aproximate position of the Viper Nebula:
http://img.photobuck...ct/MilkyWay.jpg
So it fits pretty much to the origin of the "Ending Beam of Death", though the positions slightly differ.

Modifié par SirLugash, 18 mars 2012 - 02:06 .

[jackncoke28]

FalconRising wrote...

jackncoke28 wrote...

As far as destroy option, i dont see it as an option reapers are giving you, more so that it is an indication of Shepard still having part of his/her freewill

The Reapers are not "giving" you anything.  Nothing you do in the hallucination affects anything in the real world outside it, save for Shepard him/herself.  Playing out the hallucination - as long as you choose one of the paths given by Starchild - is symbolic of submitting to the Reapers and Indoctrination. 

i wasn't trying to say it was effecting anything outside shepards mind. i was speaking on why destroy would show up in a reaper created halucination. In my opinion destroy option represents part of Sheperd's mind still being free of influence of indoctrination

[TheFinisher]

Emperor_Ike wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Ona Demonie wrote...

I believe it was brought up, but Reapers use children as a way to manipulate people, seeing how humans react with children.

The collector said in his cycle the Reapers used their own children against them.

All hail foreshadowing.

Oh, and am I the only one who didn't mind Tali's picture?  It looked reasonably alien but quite a relief from what I was expecting.  I don't mean that as anything against her.  I'm not one of the rabid fans but she's a sweet girl and I'm so proud of her for overcoming her quarian anti-geth upbringing after meeting Legion.  Her body structure just... doesn't look like a mammal.  I was expecting something kind of frog-like from the way her legs are built and the large-but-few fingers and toes.  I think she looks great.  Is it really so horrible that they editted a stock photo of a real woman rather than create something from scratch?

You know, I haven't read a post of yours I can find fault with. Your opinion on the Tali pic seals it. Broheart.

I was expecting frog or lizard or something, even with dem hips and, *ahem*, mammal-specific glands, but even so I found I didn't much care how her face turned out because of how fond I'd grown of the character. So all I can say is thank you Bioware for making such a beautiful person actually.. beautiful.

And I think she'd be fascinated by our extra couple of digits, you know? Genuinely curious and mystified. Imagining point-of-view is fun, heh.

Anywho. Back to line-holding.

Not sure how far back the thing about using kids was, but it would make sense. I always thought this kid you see at the beginning of the game was a bit enigmatic. Why would a kid who is seen playing with a toy military ship not trust someone like Shepard (who is in the military, well, sort of at that moment) to help him? And why is the kid always right where Shepard can see him? Shepard and Anderson cover a lot of ground in the opening mission, and the kid always manages to be in the right place at the right time for it to have an effect on Shepard. Maybe he's not even a real kid?

Something to think about.

Modifié par TheFinisher, 18 mars 2012 - 02:08 .

[KujaTheDarkOne2]

SirLugash wrote...

Ichinei wrote...

hey just quickly wanted to show this, i was glancing at the suggested feedback thread where i found this flowchart regarding a better ending, alot of people (including me) think its very well put together so il just link it here =P
btw i apologise if this has been already linked.
http://i.imgur.com/JhtqY.jpg

Now this looks like a wide branch of endings, i like it.
Just hoping that there were proper cinematics and stuff to represent these endings.
It's a start, a good one.

Just read through all that, and I dearly wish it described the way things actually were. That would've been so cool.

[FalconRising]

jackncoke28 wrote...

FalconRising wrote...

jackncoke28 wrote...

As far as destroy option, i dont see it as an option reapers are giving you, more so that it is an indication of Shepard still having part of his/her freewill

The Reapers are not "giving" you anything.  Nothing you do in the hallucination affects anything in the real world outside it, save for Shepard him/herself.  Playing out the hallucination - as long as you choose one of the paths given by Starchild - is symbolic of submitting to the Reapers and Indoctrination. 

i wasn't trying to say it was effecting anything outside shepards mind. i was speaking on why destroy would show up in a reaper created halucination. In my opinion destroy option represents part of Sheperd's mind still being free of influence of indoctrination

Because the Reapers have no emotional attachment to the methods they use to trick Shepard into accepting Indoctrination.  All the Reapers need is for Shepard to choose any one of the paths they offer - if the most likely way to get Shepard to submit to the illusion is to have one of said paths be Destruction, that is what they are going to do.  What remains of Shepard's will, in my opinion, is contained in Shepard him/herself - that you can still move around, fire your pistol, etc. 

[Alarmton]

the best Mass Effect ending... wait a minute, that isnt Commander Shepard, holy **** its John Locke... It all makes sense now.

Also, that Jacob death is the funniest thing in the entire ME universe.

Modifié par Alarmton, 18 mars 2012 - 02:12 .

[Ona Demonie]

KujaTheDarkOne2 wrote...

Okay, so, I'm actually not that great at identifying where it is. So I took a screenshot of the Youtube vid.

http://i39.tinypic.com/1zzm03l.png

The one with the wide red ring around it is where it started.

It DOES start at Viper.

Ref: http://th05.devianta...art-d3a34qx.png

[Emperor_Ike]

TheFinisher wrote...

Emperor_Ike wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Ona Demonie wrote...

I believe it was brought up, but Reapers use children as a way to manipulate people, seeing how humans react with children.

The collector said in his cycle the Reapers used their own children against them.

All hail foreshadowing.

Oh, and am I the only one who didn't mind Tali's picture?  It looked reasonably alien but quite a relief from what I was expecting.  I don't mean that as anything against her.  I'm not one of the rabid fans but she's a sweet girl and I'm so proud of her for overcoming her quarian anti-geth upbringing after meeting Legion.  Her body structure just... doesn't look like a mammal.  I was expecting something kind of frog-like from the way her legs are built and the large-but-few fingers and toes.  I think she looks great.  Is it really so horrible that they editted a stock photo of a real woman rather than create something from scratch?

You know, I haven't read a post of yours I can find fault with. Your opinion on the Tali pic seals it. Broheart.

I was expecting frog or lizard or something, even with dem hips and, *ahem*, mammal-specific glands, but even so I found I didn't much care how her face turned out because of how fond I'd grown of the character. So all I can say is thank you Bioware for making such a beautiful person actually.. beautiful.

And I think she'd be fascinated by our extra couple of digits, you know? Genuinely curious and mystified. Imagining point-of-view is fun, heh.

Anywho. Back to line-holding.

Not sure how far back the thing about using kids was, but it would make sense. I always thought this kid you see at the beginning of the game was a bit enigmatic. Why would a kid who is seen playing with a toy military ship not trust someone like Shepard (who is in the military, well, sort of at that moment) to help him? And why is the kid always right where Shepard can see him? Shepard and Anderson cover a lot of ground in the opening mission, and the kid always manages to be in the right place at the right time for it to have an effect on Shepard. Maybe he's not even a real kid?

Something to think about.

Yeah, this exactly. It's been covered, but you are correct. Not only does he appear at right place/right time for Shepard to see and be affected, but apparently NObody else sees him. See getting on the shuttle, or running into building before it gets reaper-blasted, or making noise in the electric-death-ified air duct.. Highly suspect, that one.

[Kuriby]

No, it happened guys, face the facts, bioware messed up the ending, lets just wait for a fix

[wasawsolos]

BTW EVERYONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


A new thread with a brief yet solid statement has been made. Please support the ReTake movement! Here it is:
http://social.biowar.../index/10146448

oh and Hold the Line!

[byne]

Kuriby wrote...

No, it happened guys, face the facts, bioware messed up the ending, lets just wait for a fix

>face facts
>provides no facts

[Crusina]

Kuriby wrote...

No, it happened guys, face the facts, bioware messed up the ending, lets just wait for a fix

No.

[Ona Demonie]

GUYSGUYSGUYSGUYS. It DOES start at Viper. Here's a pic:

http://th05.devianta...art-d3a34qx.png

[KappaOmicron]

KujaTheDarkOne2 wrote...

SirLugash wrote...

Ichinei wrote...

hey just quickly wanted to show this, i was glancing at the suggested feedback thread where i found this flowchart regarding a better ending, alot of people (including me) think its very well put together so il just link it here =P
btw i apologise if this has been already linked.
http://i.imgur.com/JhtqY.jpg

Now this looks like a wide branch of endings, i like it.
Just hoping that there were proper cinematics and stuff to represent these endings.
It's a start, a good one.

Just read through all that, and I dearly wish it described the way things actually were. That would've been so cool.

I think BW needs to have a nice look at that and use it for themselves! It definitely sounds a lot better than what we currently have. I was really expecting that ship pipe thing Engineer Adams asked for would actually have an impact on the ending.

It's funny really, I remember watching an interview of Casey Hudson saying something about how ME3 is so much easier since they don't really need to think of how they can bring forward the choices and make them have actions in the next game since this is the last in Shepard's story of the ME trilogy. But you would expect them to think about how some of the choices you do actually make in ME3 actually have more effect in ME3.

Modifié par KappaOmicron, 18 mars 2012 - 02:15 .

[Emperor_Ike]

Kuriby wrote...

No, it happened guys, face the facts, bioware messed up the ending, lets just wait for a fix

You honestly believe they'd fix (unless it had already been planned out) it if the community did just lie down and accept it? At the very least, waiting for a fix is exactly what we're doing, while dealing with our grief with like-minded folks on these forums. At the same time, we're telling them, 'wtf r u do!?' so that no community gets this screwed in the future.

[KujaTheDarkOne2]

KappaOmicron wrote...

KujaTheDarkOne2 wrote...

SirLugash wrote...

Ichinei wrote...

hey just quickly wanted to show this, i was glancing at the suggested feedback thread where i found this flowchart regarding a better ending, alot of people (including me) think its very well put together so il just link it here =P
btw i apologise if this has been already linked.
http://i.imgur.com/JhtqY.jpg

Now this looks like a wide branch of endings, i like it.
Just hoping that there were proper cinematics and stuff to represent these endings.
It's a start, a good one.

Just read through all that, and I dearly wish it described the way things actually were. That would've been so cool.

I think BW needs to have a nice look at that and use it for themselves! It definitely sounds a lot better than what we currently have. I was really expecting that ship pipe thing Engineer Adams asked for would actually have an impact on the ending.

It's funny really, I remember watching an interview of Case Hudson saying something about how ME3 is so much easier since they don't really need to think of how they can bring forward the choices and make them have actions in the next game since this is the last in Shepard's story of the ME trilogy. But you would expect them to think about how some of the choices you do actually make in ME3 actually have more effect in ME3.

Yes. I was just reading through it, and I was like "How did they NOT do any of this? Why would they not want to end their epic series with stuff like this?"

I mean, even if they wanted their bullcrap nonsensical ending, they still could've had most of that chart. But instead, all our decisions mean pretty much nothing.

[Tailen]

Vandicus wrote...

byne wrote...

Wait wait wait, hold everything.

Can someone verify if the chain reaction starts in the Viper system or not?

Because, I have seen multiple people (myself included) say they believe that at the end, the galaxy is representative of the neural pathways in Shep's brain, with red being the brain rejecting indoctrination, and blue/green accepting it.

If the chain reaction does in fact start in the Viper nebula, we could assume that Shep's brain perceives that zone of space as being where indoctrination started (by being unconscious near Object Rho for two days), hence why the chain reaction of rejection/acceptance would start there.

I think I just blew my own mind.

Its generally just considered to be artistic license or a screw up. The map clearly shows the sequence doesn't start in the Sol system though.

'Generally considered artistic license or a screw up' sounds a lot like the counter-indoctrination speak we're hearing all the time.  I'm not a big fan of the general opinion about the end of this game.

I must say I have also just had my mind blown by this theory all over again.  In my opinion, another very large clue and another very large plot hole explained in a beautifully symbolic way.