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[jackncoke28]

FalconRising wrote...

jackncoke28 wrote...

FalconRising wrote...

jackncoke28 wrote...

As far as destroy option, i dont see it as an option reapers are giving you, more so that it is an indication of Shepard still having part of his/her freewill

The Reapers are not "giving" you anything.  Nothing you do in the hallucination affects anything in the real world outside it, save for Shepard him/herself.  Playing out the hallucination - as long as you choose one of the paths given by Starchild - is symbolic of submitting to the Reapers and Indoctrination. 

i wasn't trying to say it was effecting anything outside shepards mind. i was speaking on why destroy would show up in a reaper created halucination. In my opinion destroy option represents part of Sheperd's mind still being free of influence of indoctrination

Because the Reapers have no emotional attachment to the methods they use to trick Shepard into accepting Indoctrination.  All the Reapers need is for Shepard to choose any one of the paths they offer - if the most likely way to get Shepard to submit to the illusion is to have one of said paths be Destruction, that is what they are going to do.  What remains of Shepard's will, in my opinion, is contained in Shepard him/herself - that you can still move around, fire your pistol, etc. 

But if that was the ase, then the whole conversation with conversation with catalyst is pointless. why have any options? Doesnt indoctrination entail accepting reaper phylosophy? Wanting to destroy them seems to me like a refutation of their ideology

[kyg_20X6]

jackncoke28 wrote...

But if that was the ase, then the whole conversation with conversation with catalyst is pointless. why have any options? Doesnt indoctrination entail accepting reaper phylosophy? Wanting to destroy them seems to me like a refutation of their ideology

The illusion wouldn't work if you weren't given that choice. It'd be conspicious in its absence. Shepard might begin to question that.

[lex0r11]

back again, any news?

Kuriby wrote...

No, it happened guys, face the facts, bioware messed up the ending, lets just wait for a fix

okay, i'm going to offer the same reward to you i did to one poster a few pages back if you can present these facts and explain the ending to me. i will convince my girlfriend to cosplay as an asari stripper and take pictures.

go ahead, indoctrinate me!

Modifié par lex0r11, 18 mars 2012 - 02:26 .

[Lallymonster]

Here's my next question. Prior to running into towards the beam, when you're having your final conversations with everyone, EDI states that Reapers are set up in entrenched positions and have the ability to wipe everyone out at any moment. She then asks, essentially, what makes us think that we have any chance of making it to the beam?

MY question is, why didn't she ask the more obvious question. If they have the ability to just wipe us out then and there, why are they not doing it? What is up with this?

[jackncoke28]

kyg_20X6 wrote...

jackncoke28 wrote...

But if that was the ase, then the whole conversation with conversation with catalyst is pointless. why have any options? Doesnt indoctrination entail accepting reaper phylosophy? Wanting to destroy them seems to me like a refutation of their ideology

The illusion wouldn't work if you weren't given that choice. It'd be conspicious in its absence. Shepard might begin to question that.

Im arguing that if it's to the point where shepard cant even influene the dialogue in his/her own mind, then (s)he's already indoctrinated. that's why I believe destroy is shepard still being able to have influence in his/her mind.

Modifié par jackncoke28, 18 mars 2012 - 02:28 .

[Legion109]

TheFinisher wrote...

Emperor_Ike wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Ona Demonie wrote...
I believe it was brought up, but Reapers use children as a way to manipulate people, seeing how humans react with children.

The collector said in his cycle the Reapers used their own children against them.
All hail foreshadowing.
Oh, and am I the only one who didn't mind Tali's picture?  It looked reasonably alien but quite a relief from what I was expecting.  I don't mean that as anything against her.  I'm not one of the rabid fans but she's a sweet girl and I'm so proud of her for overcoming her quarian anti-geth upbringing after meeting Legion.  Her body structure just... doesn't look like a mammal.  I was expecting something kind of frog-like from the way her legs are built and the large-but-few fingers and toes.  I think she looks great.  Is it really so horrible that they editted a stock photo of a real woman rather than create something from scratch?

You know, I haven't read a post of yours I can find fault with. Your opinion on the Tali pic seals it. Broheart.
I was expecting frog or lizard or something, even with dem hips and, *ahem*, mammal-specific glands, but even so I found I didn't much care how her face turned out because of how fond I'd grown of the character. So all I can say is thank you Bioware for making such a beautiful person actually.. beautiful. 
And I think she'd be fascinated by our extra couple of digits, you know? Genuinely curious and mystified. Imagining point-of-view is fun, heh.
Anywho. Back to line-holding.

Not sure how far back the thing about using kids was, but it would make sense. I always thought this kid you see at the beginning of the game was a bit enigmatic. Why would a kid who is seen playing with a toy military ship not trust someone like Shepard (who is in the military, well, sort of at that moment) to help him? And why is the kid always right where Shepard can see him? Shepard and Anderson cover a lot of ground in the opening mission, and the kid always manages to be in the right place at the right time for it to have an effect on Shepard. Maybe he's not even a real kid?
Something to think about.

I don't find it that hard to believe going back to both Aliens or Resident Evil 2 (Game) sometimes adults decide to fight when they should run and this gets them killed, I would find it feasible that this kid has witnessed soldiers be killed so he believes that they can't save him.

[Noob451]

lex0r11 wrote...

back again, any news?

Kuriby wrote...

No, it happened guys, face the facts, bioware messed up the ending, lets just wait for a fix

okay, i'm going to offer the same reward to you i did to one poster a few pages back if you can present these facts and explain the ending to me. i will convince my girlfriend to cosplay as an asari stripper and take pictures.

go ahead, indoctrinate me!

I kinda hope you get indoctrinated.... 

[SirLugash]

Ona Demonie wrote...

GUYSGUYSGUYSGUYS. It DOES start at Viper. Here's a pic:

http://th05.devianta...art-d3a34qx.png

Hmm, the position of the Viper Nebula looks more like it's the place where the beam first jumped to.

[Golferguy758]

Huh, I was the one who thought of the relays exploding as an analogy for indoctrination uhh programs? being removed.

Glad someone else agreed with me. Thought i was just taking some crazy pills.

Putting tinfoil hat back on.

[Martukis]

According to Cerberus news: http://masseffect.wi..._a_Neutron_Star relays are known to have "dark switches" or hidden controls (assumedly of prothean design) which allow the control of signal and/or radiation transference between relays. I don't know if it is significant, but just throwing it out there.

[Vandicus]

Tailen wrote...

Vandicus wrote...

byne wrote...

Wait wait wait, hold everything.

Can someone verify if the chain reaction starts in the Viper system or not?

Because, I have seen multiple people (myself included) say they believe that at the end, the galaxy is representative of the neural pathways in Shep's brain, with red being the brain rejecting indoctrination, and blue/green accepting it.

If the chain reaction does in fact start in the Viper nebula, we could assume that Shep's brain perceives that zone of space as being where indoctrination started (by being unconscious near Object Rho for two days), hence why the chain reaction of rejection/acceptance would start there.

I think I just blew my own mind.

Its generally just considered to be artistic license or a screw up. The map clearly shows the sequence doesn't start in the Sol system though.

'Generally considered artistic license or a screw up' sounds a lot like the counter-indoctrination speak we're hearing all the time.  I'm not a big fan of the general opinion about the end of this game.

I must say I have also just had my mind blown by this theory all over again.  In my opinion, another very large clue and another very large plot hole explained in a beautifully symbolic way.

I get what you're saying there, I'm actually on the fence about it myself. To me it seems like a minor enough detail that Bioware might've just missed it, unlike some of the other rather major stuff that people call as being due to artistic license or screw ups.

I've also heard the argument that the beam starts at the Alpha Relay because its supposedly the oldest known mass relay, and also happens to be in the Viper Nebula, which makes some sense to me as well.

http://masseffect.wi...iki/Alpha_Relay 

Supposedly the Alpha Relay is special.

The thing that really sealed the deal for me was the breathing after each shot thing in the destroy ending, it sounds like Shepard gasps for air.

 

Also upon comparison of maleshep and femshep it seems the breath is different, indicating that the sound is not in fact from something else and is actually shep breathing. Some other people also said they heard the difference some others didn't, but I heard it so it was good enough for me.

[Dwailing]

Noob451 wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

back again, any news?

Kuriby wrote...

No, it happened guys, face the facts, bioware messed up the ending, lets just wait for a fix

okay, i'm going to offer the same reward to you i did to one poster a few pages back if you can present these facts and explain the ending to me. i will convince my girlfriend to cosplay as an asari stripper and take pictures.

go ahead, indoctrinate me!

I kinda hope you get indoctrinated.... 

He's so not going to send the photos because he knows as well as any of us that there is not enough evidence opposing the indoc theory for anyone to make an opposing argument that will convince him that the indoc theory is wrong.  Although, if someone actually does get those photos... he will be the luckiest ME fan alive, while Lex0r11 is probably going to end up in worse shape than the ME3 endings if they are interpreted literally.  

[Dwailing]

Vandicus wrote...

Tailen wrote...

Vandicus wrote...

byne wrote...

Wait wait wait, hold everything.

Can someone verify if the chain reaction starts in the Viper system or not?

Because, I have seen multiple people (myself included) say they believe that at the end, the galaxy is representative of the neural pathways in Shep's brain, with red being the brain rejecting indoctrination, and blue/green accepting it.

If the chain reaction does in fact start in the Viper nebula, we could assume that Shep's brain perceives that zone of space as being where indoctrination started (by being unconscious near Object Rho for two days), hence why the chain reaction of rejection/acceptance would start there.

I think I just blew my own mind.

Its generally just considered to be artistic license or a screw up. The map clearly shows the sequence doesn't start in the Sol system though.

'Generally considered artistic license or a screw up' sounds a lot like the counter-indoctrination speak we're hearing all the time.  I'm not a big fan of the general opinion about the end of this game.

I must say I have also just had my mind blown by this theory all over again.  In my opinion, another very large clue and another very large plot hole explained in a beautifully symbolic way.

I get what you're saying there, I'm actually on the fence about it myself. To me it seems like a minor enough detail that Bioware might've just missed it, unlike some of the other rather major stuff that people call as being due to artistic license or screw ups.

I've also heard the argument that the beam starts at the Alpha Relay because its supposedly the oldest known mass relay, and also happens to be in the Viper Nebula, which makes some sense to me as well.

http://masseffect.wi...iki/Alpha_Relay 

Supposedly the Alpha Relay is special.

The thing that really sealed the deal for me was the breathing after each shot thing in the destroy ending, it sounds like Shepard gasps for air.

 

Also upon comparison of maleshep and femshep it seems the breath is different, indicating that the sound is not in fact from something else and is actually shep breathing. Some other people also said they heard the difference some others didn't, but I heard it so it was good enough for me.

If this is true, then the indoc theory is as good as confirmed.

[jackncoke28]

I dont just see this as the indoctrination thread, I see this as the save biowares a*s thread lol
Jackolyte holding the line

[Emperor_Ike]

jackncoke28 wrote...

I dont just see this as the indoctrination thread, I see this as the save biowares a*s thread lol
Jackolyte holding the line

This is really all there is to it. Asking them to secure their own future by providing a believable present.

[sunnie7699]

byne wrote...

Wait wait wait, hold everything.

Can someone verify if the chain reaction starts in the Viper system or not?

Because, I have seen multiple people (myself included) say they believe that at the end, the galaxy is representative of the neural pathways in Shep's brain, with red being the brain rejecting indoctrination, and blue/green accepting it.

If the chain reaction does in fact start in the Viper nebula, we could assume that Shep's brain perceives that zone of space as being where indoctrination started (by being unconscious near Object Rho for two days), hence why the chain reaction of rejection/acceptance would start there.

I think I just blew my own mind.

Omg I think you're right!

3:47 shows where the Viper nebula is on the ME2 galaxy map:


2:14 shows where the mass relay explosions start at the end of ME3:

[Dwailing]

jackncoke28 wrote...

I dont just see this as the indoctrination thread, I see this as the save biowares a*s thread lol
Jackolyte holding the line

LOL indeed.  If Bioware doesn't at least consider parts of what we have been saying... well, what was Udina's line in ME2 about Anderson bringing Shepard to meet the Council? something about a, "Political ****storm"?

[Dwailing]

sunnie7699 wrote...

byne wrote...

Wait wait wait, hold everything.

Can someone verify if the chain reaction starts in the Viper system or not?

Because, I have seen multiple people (myself included) say they believe that at the end, the galaxy is representative of the neural pathways in Shep's brain, with red being the brain rejecting indoctrination, and blue/green accepting it.

If the chain reaction does in fact start in the Viper nebula, we could assume that Shep's brain perceives that zone of space as being where indoctrination started (by being unconscious near Object Rho for two days), hence why the chain reaction of rejection/acceptance would start there.

I think I just blew my own mind.

Omg I think you're right!

3:47 shows where the Viper nebula is on the ME2 galaxy map:


2:14 shows where the mass relay explosions start at the end of ME3:

It looks very much like the blast starts in the Viper Nebula.  I could be wrong, but if it is so... Mind=Blown. 

Modifié par Dwailing, 18 mars 2012 - 02:42 .

[Tailen]

Vandicus wrote...

Tailen wrote...

Vandicus wrote...

byne wrote...

Wait wait wait, hold everything.

Can someone verify if the chain reaction starts in the Viper system or not?

Because, I have seen multiple people (myself included) say they believe that at the end, the galaxy is representative of the neural pathways in Shep's brain, with red being the brain rejecting indoctrination, and blue/green accepting it.

If the chain reaction does in fact start in the Viper nebula, we could assume that Shep's brain perceives that zone of space as being where indoctrination started (by being unconscious near Object Rho for two days), hence why the chain reaction of rejection/acceptance would start there.

I think I just blew my own mind.

Its generally just considered to be artistic license or a screw up. The map clearly shows the sequence doesn't start in the Sol system though.

'Generally considered artistic license or a screw up' sounds a lot like the counter-indoctrination speak we're hearing all the time.  I'm not a big fan of the general opinion about the end of this game.

I must say I have also just had my mind blown by this theory all over again.  In my opinion, another very large clue and another very large plot hole explained in a beautifully symbolic way.

I get what you're saying there, I'm actually on the fence about it myself. To me it seems like a minor enough detail that Bioware might've just missed it, unlike some of the other rather major stuff that people call as being due to artistic license or screw ups.

I've also heard the argument that the beam starts at the Alpha Relay because its supposedly the oldest known mass relay, and also happens to be in the Viper Nebula, which makes some sense to me as well.

http://masseffect.wi...iki/Alpha_Relay 

Supposedly the Alpha Relay is special.

The thing that really sealed the deal for me was the breathing after each shot thing in the destroy ending, it sounds like Shepard gasps for air.

 

Also upon comparison of maleshep and femshep it seems the breath is different, indicating that the sound is not in fact from something else and is actually shep breathing. Some other people also said they heard the difference some others didn't, but I heard it so it was good enough for me.

Well, you could say that the most 'special' part about the Alpha Relay is that it was destroyed... in 'The Arrival' DLC... where many theorize Shepard's indoctrination could have essentially started.

If the relay isn't there anymore, how could the Crucible/Citadel blast go through it -- unless, as we're saying, it's a huge clue and/or symbolic?

[jackncoke28]

Emperor_Ike wrote...

jackncoke28 wrote...

I dont just see this as the indoctrination thread, I see this as the save biowares a*s thread lol
Jackolyte holding the line

This is really all there is to it. Asking them to secure their own future by providing a believable present.

Nicely put, they need to have that on their stationary, or at least on the bulletin board next time they work on a script lol

Edit:

Modifié par jackncoke28, 18 mars 2012 - 03:03 .

[FalconRising]

jackncoke28 wrote...

kyg_20X6 wrote...

jackncoke28 wrote...

But if that was the ase, then the whole conversation with conversation with catalyst is pointless. why have any options? Doesnt indoctrination entail accepting reaper phylosophy? Wanting to destroy them seems to me like a refutation of their ideology

The illusion wouldn't work if you weren't given that choice. It'd be conspicious in its absence. Shepard might begin to question that.

Im arguing that if it's to the point where shepard cant even influene the dialogue in his/her own mind, then (s)he's already indoctrinated. that's why I believe destroy is shepard still being able to have influence in his/her mind.

I'm operating under the impression that eventually, one has to stop fighting Indoctrination and on some level, willingly choose to accept it.  My interpretation of ID Theory is that on "the Citadel", Shepard is at that point right now, once Shepard makes one of the set choices before him/her, indoctrination is complete; the only way out would be to do something unorthodox and outside the constraints of the hallucination, up to and not limited to shooting Starchild (for example). 

I don't subscribe to the interpretation of ID Theory that states if Shepard chooses Destruction, then indoctrination has failed.  Shepard is weakened and exhausted, and on the verge of submitting - unless Shepard chooses the path that s/he set out on in the first place, destroying the Reapers so that life as we know it will persist?  I can't accept that the Reapers would leave that possibility to chance.  That's why I view the entire hallucination as a single indoctrination attempt - and making any choice that it explicitly provides you leads to indoctrination.  Shepard has to brute force another way out to avoid it.

[Rob Psyence]

Note: forgive me for the caps I originally posted this in the comments section of a blog so there was no bold and I used caps for emphasis.
Ok people I got an account just to do this, specifically to not remain annonymous. I am going to strip away a lot of the imagery in the endings and I am going to attack this issue at its CORE. That core is the concept of indoctorination as it is concerned in the mass effect universe. I intend to explain how this concept pertains to what happens in the end.

First of all I dislike using the term "dream" or "hallucination" for the mere fact that to me both of these terms make it sound as if it just happened as a result of circumstance. Whereas, indoctorination implies that some outside force or some thing is directly and intentionally attempting to subvert and influence a victim's mind through mental suggestion. Thus, calling it a hallucination or a dream is a fallacy.

The reapers are hundreds of thousands of years old and have become masters of influencing the minds of organic, sapient beings. They can bend your mind from the shroud of darkness over vast spaces. When Paul Grayson gets reaper tech implanted into him by cerberus in the books, he is a red sand addict...he chose to get off the stuff for gillian, so he was extremely difficult to be indoctorinated by sheer will. What does cerberus and TIM do? they inject concentrated red sand into Grayson, it weakens his mind and his resolve and soon, the reapers gain full control of him. Getting to my main point...

When Shepard is running toward the conduit beam, dodging laser after laser blasted upon him by Harbinger, Harbinger is becoming desperate, Shepard is bound and determined to destroy them and then a laser hits at his feet causing an explosion of splash damage, Shepard is knocked unconscious and his body is beaten and bloody. What does that state do? It makes him MORE susceptible to being influenced. Harbinger sees this chance and assumes control, trying its utmost best to bend Shepard to Indoctorinate him.

Revisiting Paul Grayson once again there is a scene in the book in which in order to protect Gillian and not lead Cerberus to her he sets his shuttle to go in the opposite direction. Ah but you see, that was only a trick and it is stated as such in the book. The reaper controlling him made Grayson THINK that he set the coordinates away from Gillian's location and instead makes him set the coordinates TOWARD her position and he doesnt realize it until it is too late. This undeniably prooves that once a reaper indoctorinates you it can make you think and see anything it wants. It will use anything at its disposal to maintain control.

So once again we find ourselves back at Shepard. From the beginning of the game the little boy is a seed planted not only in Shepard's mind but into the minds of the players. You see him get killed and it tugs at your heart strings, it makes you feel remorse, then throughout the game there are the dreams, only you and Shepard knows what he looks like. But then at the end all of the sudden this catalyst ai not only knows of the boy but also knows his form? This does not seem peculiar to you?

That points to something digging into your mind and you must realize that the reapers, Harbinger will use deception and deceit if that means bending you to its will. The boy in the beginning could be real but that doesn't stop Harbinger from using his memory as a tool. This boys memory causes Shepard to want to trust him so there is no argument at all.

Its not like the conversation with the Illusive man where you can argue as the tendrils of inky shadow tear at your consciousness. The illusive man tries to convince you to control the reapers but you see that is irrelevant because TIM is already being controlled and thus Harbinger KNOWS what the Crucible does.

Is it so farfetched to believe that Harbinger would lie and distort the truth of the crucible's true functionality in order to ensure its survival because moments ago Shepard and the player was bent on its destruction?
Control over the reapers is a lie. Perhaps the method in which to choose "control" is really an emergency abort. To choose "destroy" is perhaps a contengency to ensure it cannot be stopped. Perhaps Synthesis is to do neither and to THROW yourself at the mercy of the cosmos.

Control is not the reapers ideal choice because it would "Delay the inevitible." But eventually Harbinger will wear down your mind and Indoctorinate you fully. But to me there is something more likely at the core of these decisions and that is the "CONTROL" of Shepard's mind.

To choose "control" is to choose the complete submission to the reaper's control, for his mind to be consumed just as the energy CONSUMES his body. To choose Synthesis is to choose your mind to become merged and soon be CONSUMED by the reaper's programming. To choose "destroy" is to choose free will, to break the control and to FIGHT Indoctorination.

TIM is "already under our control." And yet what does the image show? TIM choosing control...he CHOSE his own submission and is bathed in the color of Paragon, this is the choice you are compelled to choose Shepard...Player, for THREE games you attributed blue to good, to right. "You wish to destroy us." What does it show Anderson doing? Anderson choosing to break control as he is bathed in the color of Renegade...this is the choice you are compelled to not choose Shepard...Player for THREE games you attributed red to bad, to wrong.
TIM represents the control the reapers have over organics. Anderson represents the conviction to break control. TIM has been the antagonist for the entire game and showed fear of the reapers .

WHY would you choose to side with him and why is he paragon now? Anderson has heart and conviction, he cares for Shepard and he cares for Humanity, he has been in the trenches fighting the reapers the entire game. Why would you not side with him and why is he now renegade all of the sudden?

Ladies and gentlemen of the ME community I show to you that the desperate Harbinger is the worst evil of them all. Harbinger is the evil of deception, Harbinger is the embodiment of dominance and has been for the entire series. Is it so foolish to think that it wouldn't take advantage of a weakened mind? Hackett comes on the com and says "its not working, something is wrong." Shepard reaches up to the console but collapses before he can touch it. The battle rages inside of Shepard's mind. WAKE UP SHEPARD. Shepard lays in the rubble as the gargantuan Harbinger looms over its would be destoyer, boring into his mind, twisting his reality and twisting OUR reality.

"Shepard, I am your salvation through destruction." It has been hammered into us battle after battle game after game. But all of the sudden Harbinger, who knows how the crucible really works through the indoctorinated TIM's interference tells us control is the way to go. To me this is a LIE, it is not the control of the reapers, it is the control of you. To choose to destoy is to "Destroy all synthetics"? HAH. How do we know it doesn't just destroy you, Harbinger. "The peace won't last, your children will make synthetics and the cycle continues." Sounds like trash talk to me.

I refuse to be indoctorinated, you will not influence my decision Harbinger. Even if it did destroy the geth after I previously saved them. I will bring your end, you will no longer kill thousands of civilizations over many millenia. This is MY "Salvation through destruction" and thus the Indoctorination is broken, Harbinger's hold IS BROKEN. Shepard wakes up and takes a breath. The screen falls to black. There IS Unfinished business.

Modifié par Rob Psyence, 18 mars 2012 - 02:48 .

[lex0r11]

Dwailing wrote...

Noob451 wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

back again, any news?

Kuriby wrote...

No, it happened guys, face the facts, bioware messed up the ending, lets just wait for a fix

okay, i'm going to offer the same reward to you i did to one poster a few pages back if you can present these facts and explain the ending to me. i will convince my girlfriend to cosplay as an asari stripper and take pictures.

go ahead, indoctrinate me!

I kinda hope you get indoctrinated.... 

He's so not going to send the photos because he knows as well as any of us that there is not enough evidence opposing the indoc theory for anyone to make an opposing argument that will convince him that the indoc theory is wrong.  Although, if someone actually does get those photos... he will be the luckiest ME fan alive, while Lex0r11 is probably going to end up in worse shape than the ME3 endings if they are interpreted literally.  

see? this is more than faith in some theory..
i'm sorry that i can't contribute more to the theory at this point, just got back home, it's 4 a.m. here.

uh, btw. ace ventura learned about the ending.
youtu.be/6HBM11sWmVY#t=00m25s

keep holding the line!

Modifié par lex0r11, 18 mars 2012 - 02:56 .

[Tailen]

sunnie7699 wrote...

byne wrote...

Wait wait wait, hold everything.

Can someone verify if the chain reaction starts in the Viper system or not?

Because, I have seen multiple people (myself included) say they believe that at the end, the galaxy is representative of the neural pathways in Shep's brain, with red being the brain rejecting indoctrination, and blue/green accepting it.

If the chain reaction does in fact start in the Viper nebula, we could assume that Shep's brain perceives that zone of space as being where indoctrination started (by being unconscious near Object Rho for two days), hence why the chain reaction of rejection/acceptance would start there.

I think I just blew my own mind.

Omg I think you're right!

3:47 shows where the Viper nebula is on the ME2 galaxy map:


2:14 shows where the mass relay explosions start at the end of ME3:

Wow!  Not only is that too close to deny... there's no way it starts from the Local Cluster/Sol System.

This is great stuff... 

[Dwailing]

OK, I brought this up before, but I think it's worth saying again. Maybe Bioware put these clues here so that players could decided exactly how the game would end. The only way to make all the people happy would be to have them be the ones who created the true ending. To paraphrase Mordin, "Had to be us. Someone else might have gotten it wrong." That would explain the clues, that feeling of something being off with each ending, and the Bioware response up to this point.