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[UKillMeLongTime]

Games depreciate fast and some will trade it in now while its as high as it will get, Every Tuesday it might drop so with no news some might go, F it.

[Excl]

Another thing I noticed when doing a short replay on a different character ... this may have been mentioned, but I didn't feel like reading through 700 pages ...

When you meet with Ashley before going back to the Normandy after the Citadel Cerberus attack ... she talks about how Udina might of been indoctrinated, and asks: "How do you fight something that just worms it's way into your head" ... you respond with, "I don't know ... but we don't have a choice".  Could be a bit of foreshadowing there.

Modifié par Excl, 18 mars 2012 - 05:27 .

[Vandicus]

UKillMeLongTime wrote...

Games depreciate fast and some will trade it in now while its as high as it will get, Every Tuesday it might drop so with no news some might go, F it.

The funny thing is, if there's a new end DLC(assuming its free here), it'll come through Alliance Network, which requires a ten dollar fee or a new copy of the game. Now lets assume 50% of those who sold theirs regret this and want to play through the end so buy used copies. They'll consume the entire market of used copies AND pay 10$ extra. If there's an ending DLC the demand for used copies will far outstrip the supply, meaning most people will have to buy it new and even those who buy it used will be paying an extra 10$.

Crazy awesome indoctrination writing plan. Check
Massive negative PR turns into massive positive that is noted by major news networks(Fox& CNN so far). Check
Extra profit. Check 

[Rob Psyence]

Excl wrote...

Another thing I noticed when doing a short replay on a different character ... this may have been mentioned, but I didn't feel like reading through 700 pages ...

When you meet with Ashley before going back to the Normandy after the Citadel Cerberus attack ... she talks about how Udina might of been indoctrinated, and asks: "How do you fight something that just worms it's way into your head" ... you respond with, "I don't know ... but we don't have a choice".  Could be a bit of foreshadowing there.

o.o I remember her saying that lol Thats pretty...peculiar...

[Keirus]

Just a quick note, gibbed's mass effect editor notes my game saved after I finished London as 'not finished', in ME 2 after the collector base it dumps you off to finish missions the save file is marked as 'finished'.
Now its new so some functions from the ME2 gibbed might not work but most seem to be fine.
This was the variable in ME2 that let you use the file for starting a new game however i can still start a new game with my post London save file.
Probably nothing...

[crimsontotem]

Rob Psyence wrote...

Excl wrote...

Another thing I noticed when doing a short replay on a different character ... this may have been mentioned, but I didn't feel like reading through 700 pages ...

When you meet with Ashley before going back to the Normandy after the Citadel Cerberus attack ... she talks about how Udina might of been indoctrinated, and asks: "How do you fight something that just worms it's way into your head" ... you respond with, "I don't know ... but we don't have a choice".  Could be a bit of foreshadowing there.

o.o I remember her saying that lol Thats pretty...peculiar...

conversation with TIM on Thessia, if you chose reneg dialogue choice, your shep says 'You are indoctrinated!" then TIM goes, "Same goes for you too, why are you still fighting?" IDK, could be foreshadowing? who knows?

[T16skyhopp]

RE: Crucible design. Before I subscribed to being indoctrinated, and was forced to take the endings at face value, I had assumed the crucible was designed by the reapers/people who made the reapers as a fail-safe for when the "solution" is no longer viable. In whatever form it started as, they may have made it look like it could be a weapon. If any society eventually built it and got to the point where the current cycle/Shepard got, it would activate and fundamentally change the AI in charge of the reapers, letting it work with the organic being present to find a new "solution".

[Raze4573]

The Crucible never worked before, it was designed and improved but no race go to the point of getting it to work.
We cant even be sure that it will work in this cycle. Shepard didnt make it into the control room/chamber/corridor.
Yes, I am back, got my coffee, believing in the indoc theory and most important of all, holding the line!

[Shared]

Vandicus wrote...

Shared wrote...

I dont know if this has been touched yet, but has everyone here noticed where you actually are when you go to the citadel? And what it implies?

Basically your at the bottom of the tower, but you are upside down (when your inside meeting the illusive man). When you go outside it reallyy dosnt matter that much. But the elevator goes upp, and when you are outside your feet is still pointing the same way as when you where inside, and thats towards the top of the tower. Thats pretty impressive tech, making gravity be reversed inside the same bloody building.

Could you try to clarify a bit? I'm having a little difficulty understanding but a gravity reversal inside the same building would be rather huge.

Yes, when you walk around outside (where u meet the godchild) if you look around you see that your at the bottom of the citadel tower (the thing in the middle of the citadel which points outwards from the ring). Now if you go back and notice how the elevator gets you there (you end upp outside on your stomach just as when u fell over inside the building which obiously is in the citadel tower). This means that the room you are in where you meet the illusive man is an upside down room. you are basically walking on the ceiling.

[Raze4573]

Plus the choices are on the Citadel instead in the Crucible. Sorry but what hyper advanced race that created the Reapers and the "Solution" would place 3 choices that end up in their semi demise?

[Either.Ardrey]

I'm not really much of a poster here, but I thought I'd join in the discussion, because it's been very interesting so far. I honestly can't think of anything more for or against the theory, as pretty much everything has brought forward as far as I can tell (I read pages 1 - 180 something and realized that the thread had grown over 200 pages in that time period, so I skipped to the end to see if anything new had come up).

Several people have been confused by the reversed Paragon/Renegade prompts between PC and console, and I thought I'd pitch in since I haven't seen my response used up.

The Renegade prompt is tied to the trigger finger, which is on the right hand pointer finger. This is to symbolize that Renegade is the type of personality willing to solve a conversation conflict with a gun. Putting the prompts on the opposite sides makes it easier for the brain to process and pick the correct prompt, thus Left Click/Right trigger for Renegade, Right Click/Left trigger for Paragon.

[Raze4573]

I never looked into why the interrupts are opposite on PC, now i'm groping my gamepad and mouse and yup.
Feels right to pull the trigger and stab Kai Leng.
And to boost the spirit of those still holding the line.

https://p.twimg.com/...EseQ-.jpg:large

[manjikengo]

Vandicus wrote...

UKillMeLongTime wrote...

Games depreciate fast and some will trade it in now while its as high as it will get, Every Tuesday it might drop so with no news some might go, F it.

The funny thing is, if there's a new end DLC(assuming its free here), it'll come through Alliance Network, which requires a ten dollar fee or a new copy of the game. Now lets assume 50% of those who sold theirs regret this and want to play through the end so buy used copies. They'll consume the entire market of used copies AND pay 10$ extra. If there's an ending DLC the demand for used copies will far outstrip the supply, meaning most people will have to buy it new and even those who buy it used will be paying an extra 10$.

Crazy awesome indoctrination writing plan. Check
Massive negative PR turns into massive positive that is noted by major news networks(Fox& CNN so far). Check
Extra profit. Check 

Actually, if you used your alliance network code, then trade the game in, then rebuy the used game, the code is still valid for your account.

[arkhine]

crimsontotem wrote...

conversation with TIM on Thessia, if you chose reneg dialogue choice, your shep says 'You are indoctrinated!" then TIM goes, "Same goes for you too, why are you still fighting?" IDK, could be foreshadowing? who knows?

He says 'I could say the same for you too, wasting time on a war that can't be won'. Shepard replies 'At least I'm still fighting'. IM : 'Never question my ability to fight, I've been fighting longer than you can imagine'.

[Martukis]

I am assuming Legion is off screen in that picture. Also: A Wrex plushie? Or is it a baby krogan? Either way, awesome.

[Zero.Gee]

The theory sounds good, And I guess BW/EA could even use it to wrap up and explain many of the things that happen in the end. Still leaves a couple of plot holes though.

[arkhine]

Raze4573 wrote...

I never looked into why the interrupts are opposite on PC, now i'm groping my gamepad and mouse and yup.
Feels right to pull the trigger and stab Kai Leng.
And to boost the spirit of those still holding the line.

Vega is much buffer than that. Always wondered why he's so damn big.

[Raze4573]

Looks more like a plushie, a baby krogan would be holding a shotgun.

[Jaxitty]

arkhine wrote...

Raze4573 wrote...

I never looked into why the interrupts are opposite on PC, now i'm groping my gamepad and mouse and yup.
Feels right to pull the trigger and stab Kai Leng.
And to boost the spirit of those still holding the line.

Vega is much buffer than that. Always wondered why he's so damn big.

Atristic license guys, I think it's awesome!

[Raze4573]

I'll throw in another one, both found on twitter btw.
https://p.twimg.com/...A-7kl.jpg:large

[Legion109]

Martukis wrote...

I am assuming Legion is off screen in that picture. Also: A Wrex plushie? Or is it a baby krogan? Either way, awesome.

Thats me on Miranda's lap working my Krogan wiles on her (getting her drunk so she doesn't realize she's with a tiny dinosaur)

Anyway, holding the line may have a completely different meaning in Vegas do I will say.... Indoception I support it

[Raze4573]

True, you need a quad to hit on Miranda.
Also, Mordin singing...makes me cry D:
Damn you Mordin! Why? WHY?!

[PHub88]

I hate DLC...but I would so so so gladly PAY for another ending.

Its like going on a mission to save my dad but to do it I have to shoot my mom in the head. Then kill a bunch of orphans and banish all the people who came from far away lands to help me from ever returning home again. Everyone in the ME universe was fighting for their loved ones...their families...their homes. So everybody who came and helped Earth is royally screwed in the "good" ending? I don't think you could possible make a worse ending.

Had they knew beforehand they would never get to go home again...or see their families again...nobody would have still agreed to help at that price. Making everything that happened totally pointless...eveerybody might as well just killed themselves to avoid all the trouble. Tali never gets to live on the homeworld...Wrex and Grunt dont get to go home...wtf and thats the GOOD ending?

Normally I would be very angry about an ending being a hallucination but man...anything other than what we got now.

[Vandicus]

manjikengo wrote...

Vandicus wrote...

UKillMeLongTime wrote...

Games depreciate fast and some will trade it in now while its as high as it will get, Every Tuesday it might drop so with no news some might go, F it.

The funny thing is, if there's a new end DLC(assuming its free here), it'll come through Alliance Network, which requires a ten dollar fee or a new copy of the game. Now lets assume 50% of those who sold theirs regret this and want to play through the end so buy used copies. They'll consume the entire market of used copies AND pay 10$ extra. If there's an ending DLC the demand for used copies will far outstrip the supply, meaning most people will have to buy it new and even those who buy it used will be paying an extra 10$.

Crazy awesome indoctrination writing plan. Check
Massive negative PR turns into massive positive that is noted by major news networks(Fox& CNN so far). Check
Extra profit. Check 

Actually, if you used your alliance network code, then trade the game in, then rebuy the used game, the code is still valid for your account.

The part about them removing tons of used games from the market still stands though. I like to think it was Bioware/EA's cunning plan to vastly increase the number of new copy sales over used copy sales. 

[Legion109]

Raze4573 wrote...

True, you need a quad to hit on Miranda.
Also, Mordin singing...makes me cry D:
Damn you Mordin! Why? WHY?!

One of the best scenes Mordin's death having him sing during it got the waterworks going.


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