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[BlackDragonBane]

Yuzna75 wrote...

Someone asked me to bring this up, since he couldn't post:
"The Stargazer is problematic in himself, because he makes it seem as though the space travel is now impossible. If that is true and at the same time he is definitely not on Earth, then how did he learn this story? There is no way for him to learn it, hence the post credit actually proves that Sheppard must have survived and told the tale."

Liara's memory box thingy. She expressed her desire to record Shepard's legacy so that future generations would never forget.

[DifferentD17]

Sl4sh3r wrote...

DifferentD17 wrote...

www.youtube.com/watch

3:11 in and two interrupts happen both renegade, both don't seem to be completely renegade. I can see a paragon interrupting the VI to tell it to stop trying to doubt us.

The first interrupt is meh.. (Meaning it's not really paragon or renegade... more appropriate than anything..)

The second can go either way. He is being a dick and interrupting someone... like the Renegade Sheps do..

I'd really love to believe all this, but I feel like we're just making excuses...

Yeah I wish there was a middle option just interrupt in general. But it's odd that the paragon thing to do is to let him stab you? Why not change that to paragon if you're a paragon player?

[Hysteria931]

 Sorry if this has already been pointed out, but when shepard wakes up at the end, he is in a pile of concrete. There is no concrete on the citadel and there is no way shepard would of survived falling back down. Also, i believe the when you fire the crucible you can clearly see the tower where shepard was completely explode. There is no explanation besides the hallucination/Indoctrination one  that makes any of that make sense.

[Ellestor]

Who else thought the light at the end here was Harbinger's ‘face’ in the distance?

I know that once you crest the other side, it doesn't look anything like that and this is probably the bloom screwing with me, but that was my first impression.

Modifié par Ellestor, 11 mars 2012 - 10:06 .

[TheGoddess0fWar]

Turtlicious wrote...

So why is the reaper firing so quickly, the reaper on Ranoch fired MUCH slower, so did the one on earth.

It was a Sovreign sized reaper (presumably Harbinger) the other's were scouts (so to speak)

[Phydeaux314]

Maybe Cerberus wanted to make sure that Shepard wouldn't end up dying from to space exposure like last time? I mean, sensible protection, given their investment in the project and Shepard's choice of profession...

Kidding aside, I think there's definitely something going on here. I won't venture out and say "It's all a hallucination" yet, but thinking back and replaying some parts (the opening, the dream sequences, the final sequence...) something really does seem off.

[Khar-Goth]

Lugaidster wrote...

BlackDragonBane wrote...

I think my only problem is with the child not existing. I believe the child WAS there at the beginning and after seeing him get killed by the Reaper and the fact that he told Shepard, rather bluntly 'you can't save me' really struck Shepard hard. Having to abandon Earth to save it later likely built up a lot of regret and it manifested as the child, something Harbinger could use to manipulate Shepard because of the meaning behind the memory.

Then the growl would make no sense in that particular situation at the beginning. 

BTW, we should recap all graphical evidence as well...

Or...

The child does exist the first time you see him playing with a toy fighter plane.

The child who you see in the vent shaft, who oddly backs away from help from the most famous human hero around, is a bit of indoctrination pulling the image from Shepard's head and telling him "You will fail, you can't save this child, give up hope" which is then interrupted when Anderson calls his name.

The child you see die when the shuttle is shot down is real, having followed other people evacuating the apartments and then looking up at the Normandy as he boards his shuttle and not actually looking at Shepard himself before dying in flames a few moments later.

It's reaching a little, that the image plucked out of his mind for indoctrination hallucinations is a kid that dies moments later. But then, at the same time, how did the kid get all the way from a vent shaft several stories up in a building down to ground level some distance away in such a short period of time also seems a bit odd given what you had to fight through and the path you had to take to get there from where you saw the kid.

[Miss Vader]

Yuzna75 wrote...

Someone asked me to bring this up, since he couldn't post:
"The Stargazer is problematic in himself, because he makes it seem as though the space travel is now impossible. If that is true and at the same time he is definitely not on Earth, then how did he learn this story? There is no way for him to learn it, hence the post credit actually proves that Sheppard must have survived and told the tale."

Liara left these boxes on different planets to explain to those who found them the events of the past-- should have a cut scene with her showing this to Shep in captain's cabin

Ninjad

Modifié par Miss Vader, 11 mars 2012 - 10:05 .

[TheGoddess0fWar]

Ellestor wrote...

 Who else thought the light at the end here was Harbinger's ‘face’ in the distance?

[Sierra163]

Turtlicious wrote...

So why is the reaper firing so quickly, the reaper on Ranoch fired MUCH slower, so did the one on earth.

Because that's Harby, the 'king' reaper. A dreadnaught class.

The one on Ranoch was only a little destroyer class.

[lookingglassmind]

@Yuzna:

Not sure how the Stargazer invalidates the theory, or how he represents space flight. He is on the same planet that Joker and company crash on in the dream.

But one explanation could be Liara's recorded messages of civilization that she had Shepard look at when she came to visit his cabin. She said she intended them for galaxy wide distribution. Perhaps one of those made it to his planet.

[Yuzna75]

Yeah I don't get the growl either, all I hear is buildings creaking and metal screaming, not a reaper growling

[Johnny_Cheung]

[quote]Mr Massakka wrote...

[quote]Phydeaux314 wrote...
Hmm. If Bioware is trolling the PLAYER with indoctrination, I would laugh my ass off SO HARD. That would be the best "player screw" ever encountered, and well on par with Bioware's amazing writing so far in the series.[/quote]
[/quote]Agreed.
They have the chance for a place in game-development history.
Either extremely positive with that overwhelming player-indoctrination idea,
or extremely negative for delivering the worst ending ever.
[/quote]

that could i say, in a more conspiracy sense- should it be considered as the gambit of bioware who would write such "penultimate termination" and buy time from ea, so that a real ending could be shipped via patches?

btw, is that actually means the destruction of relay, citadel or such are just DREAMS? ...or?

[Turtlicious]

There is no possible way for Anderson to be able to get into that room with the illusive man.

Period.

[BlackDragonBane]

Lugaidster wrote...

BlackDragonBane wrote...

Lugaidster wrote...

BlackDragonBane wrote...

I think my only problem is with the child not existing. I believe the child WAS there at the beginning and after seeing him get killed by the Reaper and the fact that he told Shepard, rather bluntly 'you can't save me' really struck Shepard hard. Having to abandon Earth to save it later likely built up a lot of regret and it manifested as the child, something Harbinger could use to manipulate Shepard because of the meaning behind the memory.

Then the growl would make no sense in that particular situation at the beginning. 

BTW, we should recap all graphical evidence as well...

What growl? If you're referring to that loud sound that happens during the scene, I think it was part of the soundtrack and not the Reaper itself.

 

At or after 11:10.

I honestly think that's pure conicidental because at 9:30 and past there's a Reaper right there and the sound likely came from it as it was shooting at something, since the Sovereign class Reapers appear to make that sound alot before firing their lasers.

[Yuzna75]

lookingglassmind wrote...

@Yuzna:

Not sure how the Stargazer invalidates the theory, or how he represents space flight. He is on the same planet that Joker and company crash on in the dream.

But one explanation could be Liara's recorded messages of civilization that she had Shepard look at when she came to visit his cabin. She said she intended them for galaxy wide distribution. Perhaps one of those made it to his planet.

Yeah was actually thinking about those boxes when I saw the ending orignally but kinda forgot it until you brought it back up again

[TheRealQueen]

I'm getting more and more excited at the possibility of this. If the aim was really to indoctrinate the player, then having the real endings as a (FREE) dlc after the release would be effective, because the player would end the game, thinks that's it, and not realize they were indoctrinated. And be horribly angry. But it could be a case of fridge brilliance, which is what I'm hoping. Again, if this is the case, my faith in Bioware is completely restored, and I am blown away. I really hope for this. I really, really do.

It also makes sense, because the third option: synthesis, is only available if you get to a certain point in your Effective Military Rating. Either you went the extra mile to do Multiplayer, or you hauled *** (like me) and did every single side quest. This means, you, as a player, had your complete heart in the game and wanted the best option, most likely the peaceful option... such as synthesis. That's why there are two indoctrination options, because if you put all that effort in you probably wouldn't choose the control option. Oh, wow, I actually feel like playing the game again.

I just, also, want to throw my lot in with people who say that the whole thing is a hallucination, because of the indoctrination. After all, if you choose to destroy the Reapers (breaking indoctrination), and you have enough resources, you wake up back on what can only be Earth (with enough resources, they could have held out long enough for you to come to). There is no way you survived the explosion and the trip back into Earth, so it can only mean you never left in the first place. Also, the Illusive Man could have been the first attempt to sway Shepard, that fails, so the creepy kid is the second... just my thoughts at the moment. I'm sorry if I said something that has already been said, this thread has gotten so long and it keeps getting longer when I try to catch up!!

Oh, please be true. Please be true. Bioware, please be as awesome as we are giving you credit for. And make this hypothetical hopefully true dlc free to prove that you still have a soul.

Modifié par TheRealQueen, 11 mars 2012 - 10:21 .

[Ashii6]

Ellestor wrote...

Who else thought the light at the end here was Harbinger's ‘face’ in the distance?

I know that once you crest the other side, it doesn't look anything like that and this is probably the bloom screwing with me, but that was my first impression.

I don't see any " Harbinger's face ". I mean, I'm looking at the light but I don't see any similarity.

Modifié par Ashii6, 11 mars 2012 - 10:11 .

[Turtlicious]

lookingglassmind wrote...

Turtlicious,

Can you add the Player Indoctrination Theory to your list? Your very first point pretty much explains it -- labelling it as a specific theory may be helpful to newcomers.

No prob.

EDIT: Oh, Byne already updated the first part on the thread Thanks Byne.

Modifié par Turtlicious, 11 mars 2012 - 10:11 .

[lookingglassmind]

@TheRealQueen:

Well said. And imagine if player indoctrination was true! Its been building since ME1! We've slowly and insidiously been exposed to the Reapers since 2007.

[neofayyt25]

Can I just go to say that only Bioware, the geniuses they are, could make us think this deeply about a games ending? I mean look at us, coming up with theories and ideas and working together as a team to piece it all together. I love Bioware.

[Goddy10]

irregardless, at least we got to see Talis REAL face, and not just some photoshop ripoff.

[Turtlicious]

Room Scene: http://dl.dropbox.co...04-28-48-35.png

Harbinger http://th02.devianta...kis-d3resn8.jpg

I don't see it.

[Outlaw704]

Ainyan42 wrote...

CreepingGeth wrote...

Outlaw704 wrote...

Arrival was the true ending to ME 2, it was a paid DLC

Damn, I didn't even think of this!

It wasn't the end of ME2. It was ME2.5, or the prologue to ME3. ME2 stood just fine without it, and it would have stood just fine as a stand-alone release.

How would it stand up just well if you didn't play arrival, or didn't know what arrival was about, you would be completely dumb founded as to why you went from destroying(or saving) the collectors base to being stuck on Earth on trial.

[neofayyt25]

Goddy10 wrote...

irregardless, at least we got to see Talis REAL face, and not just some photoshop ripoff.

*Slow clap*