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Was the ending a hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory


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nyrocron

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 Well, it would make sense if the reapers want Shepard indoctrinated and just use TIM to bring them Shepard. It would also make sense that the information that the Citadel is the catalyst is only to distract Shepard from the fact that he is the catalyst. Which would also make sense because of the definition of the word catalyst. Also, with the destroy ending, the Citadel gets destroyed but Shepard doesn't. But even without all that, i still think that this theory is the best explanation for all that happens. I really don't think that BioWare would create such a great, detailed game and then make such trivial mistakes in the last 10 minutes of it.

And tbh, I just don't want to accept that all choices in the trilogy simply don't matter because you get the same ending anyways.

Modifié par nyrocron, 18 mars 2012 - 03:45 .


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AdmiralsJack wrote...

Tairram wrote...

MDT1 wrote...

simfamSP wrote...

AdmiralsJack wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

I did some better pictures for the eyes, should be really clear then:
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they look the same in my opinion...yay for indoctrination theory :)

hold the line!


The Illusive man has always had those strange eyes, how long has he been indocrtinated then?


According to comics first contact war, same time as saren I think.


Cool!!The events from me2 become more dark,because illusive men indocrinated revive shepard for a dark purpose. Imagine all our acts was orchestrated for a reaper purpose . God damn u TIm


i dont know if he is under reaper control during me2 or if he falls under it between 2&3...i never read Mass Effect: Evolution, just what is said in mass effect wiki...


He got those eyes in the comic Evolution when he got in contact with a de-evolution device/beacon from the reapers, although it never really gets mentioned or noticed through the books as far as I know.

Modifié par LeRavelle, 18 mars 2012 - 03:46 .


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LeRavelle wrote...

AdmiralsJack wrote...

Tairram wrote...

MDT1 wrote...

simfamSP wrote...

AdmiralsJack wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

I did some better pictures for the eyes, should be really clear then:
IM
Control
Synthesis

Posted Image


they look the same in my opinion...yay for indoctrination theory :)

hold the line!


The Illusive man has always had those strange eyes, how long has he been indocrtinated then?


According to comics first contact war, same time as saren I think.


Cool!!The events from me2 become more dark,because illusive men indocrinated revive shepard for a dark purpose. Imagine all our acts was orchestrated for a reaper purpose . God damn u TIm


i dont know if he is under reaper control during me2 or if he falls under it between 2&3...i never read Mass Effect: Evolution, just what is said in mass effect wiki...


He got those eyes in the comic Evolution when he got in contact with a de-evolution device/beacon from the reapers, although it never really gets mentioned or noticed through the books as far as I know.


i dont have any of the books or comics i just remembered it from the wiki so i wasnt sure where it came from

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Not about to read thru all 692 pages but has it been mentioned about the conversation with Eve. She tells Shepard about becoming a Shaman and had found some sort of crystal. Giving it to Shepard and telling him that in his darkest hour when all hope seems lost it will help guide him to safety. There are other small things said by others in the game that I am catching, on another play that I overlooked the first time.

Plus all the odd sounds you can hear throughout the game. Like something in the back of your mind or almost hiding in the shadows. I not sure how many times now I have stopped when something like that has happened. Thinking wth was that.

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Listening to music this morning with my subs blasting and happen to come upon this:

Lyrics in the first 30 seconds are very much like Harbinger. Indoctrination is everywhere!

Modifié par benben84, 18 mars 2012 - 03:55 .


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Kelwing wrote...

Not about to read thru all 692 pages but has it been mentioned about the conversation with Eve. She tells Shepard about becoming a Shaman and had found some sort of crystal. Giving it to Shepard and telling him that in his darkest hour when all hope seems lost it will help guide him to safety. There are other small things said by others in the game that I am catching, on another play that I overlooked the first time.

Plus all the odd sounds you can hear throughout the game. Like something in the back of your mind or almost hiding in the shadows. I not sure how many times now I have stopped when something like that has happened. Thinking wth was that.


I forgot about the crystal, nice catch! I wonder what kind of crystal it is and what it's capabale of.

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LeRavelle wrote...

Kelwing wrote...

Not about to read thru all 692 pages but has it been mentioned about the conversation with Eve. She tells Shepard about becoming a Shaman and had found some sort of crystal. Giving it to Shepard and telling him that in his darkest hour when all hope seems lost it will help guide him to safety. There are other small things said by others in the game that I am catching, on another play that I overlooked the first time.

Plus all the odd sounds you can hear throughout the game. Like something in the back of your mind or almost hiding in the shadows. I not sure how many times now I have stopped when something like that has happened. Thinking wth was that.


I forgot about the crystal, nice catch! I wonder what kind of crystal it is and what it's capabale of.


It's a crystal. it glitters and shines. Like, you know, a crystal.

It's meant to just show that there is always hope even when things seem darkest

Modifié par Golferguy758, 18 mars 2012 - 03:58 .


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benben84 wrote...

Listening to music this morning with my subs blasting and happen to come upon this:

Lyrics in the first 30 seconds are very much like Harbinger. Indoctrination is everywhere!


no stop listening hold the line :D

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LeRavelle wrote...

Kelwing wrote...

Not about to read thru all 692 pages but has it been mentioned about the conversation with Eve. She tells Shepard about becoming a Shaman and had found some sort of crystal. Giving it to Shepard and telling him that in his darkest hour when all hope seems lost it will help guide him to safety. There are other small things said by others in the game that I am catching, on another play that I overlooked the first time.

Plus all the odd sounds you can hear throughout the game. Like something in the back of your mind or almost hiding in the shadows. I not sure how many times now I have stopped when something like that has happened. Thinking wth was that.


I forgot about the crystal, nice catch! I wonder what kind of crystal it is and what it's capabale of.


I wonder if it's a Prothean memory shard.

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There was a scene where you had it in your hand, though I can't remember where exactly but afaik it was still on Tuchanka. And no, no shard, more like a yellow glowing ball.

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kyg_20X6 wrote...

LeRavelle wrote...

Kelwing wrote...

Not about to read thru all 692 pages but has it been mentioned about the conversation with Eve. She tells Shepard about becoming a Shaman and had found some sort of crystal. Giving it to Shepard and telling him that in his darkest hour when all hope seems lost it will help guide him to safety. There are other small things said by others in the game that I am catching, on another play that I overlooked the first time.

Plus all the odd sounds you can hear throughout the game. Like something in the back of your mind or almost hiding in the shadows. I not sure how many times now I have stopped when something like that has happened. Thinking wth was that.


I forgot about the crystal, nice catch! I wonder what kind of crystal it is and what it's capabale of.


I wonder if it's a Prothean memory shard.


It's a guddamn crystal. It can reflect light at the very best.
If I remember, it's the one she used to dig out the cave she was closed in.

He can, y'know, try to hit Harbinger with it, but I doubt he'll leave a dent.

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kyg_20X6 wrote...

LeRavelle wrote...

Kelwing wrote...

Not about to read thru all 692 pages but has it been mentioned about the conversation with Eve. She tells Shepard about becoming a Shaman and had found some sort of crystal. Giving it to Shepard and telling him that in his darkest hour when all hope seems lost it will help guide him to safety. There are other small things said by others in the game that I am catching, on another play that I overlooked the first time.

Plus all the odd sounds you can hear throughout the game. Like something in the back of your mind or almost hiding in the shadows. I not sure how many times now I have stopped when something like that has happened. Thinking wth was that.


I forgot about the crystal, nice catch! I wonder what kind of crystal it is and what it's capabale of.


I wonder if it's a Prothean memory shard.


Prothean shards are big plated shards, the shard Bakara gave was more a tiny piece of glass if I recall correctly, it's from chuchanka, it endures so maybe it gives off a bit of resistance to anything including indoctrination and pulls shep out of it. 

Or is that a bit too far fetched? ;p

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Golferguy758 wrote...

There are so many glaring plot holes that can't be explained away in ANY of the endings.
Except if it wasn't real.

This is why i continue to keep faith in Bioware that they have an ace up their sleeve.

Bioware still hasn't gotten into defending their endings yet. This is pretty big in my eyes/

They've simply stated they want more people to experience the ending before getting into it.
... they want more people to believe that was the real ending.
Hell, I thought those were the real endings the first time through, as out of place as I thought everything was, until I started thinking more about it.


Haven't they started defending it already? Chris Priestly on Twitter and Casey Hudson's statement.

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arkhine wrote...

Haven't they started defending it already? Chris Priestly on Twitter and Casey Hudson's statement.


Casey's was ambiguous and I never got the impression Priestly's ever really been a fan, just seems like a job. I mean, compare him with Jessica Merizan. He's probably pissed at how busy his job just got.

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i hope so :)

#17316
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I can't understand why they can't just say "yes, we're developing a new end. Don't worry, Wait for news" or "No, I'm sorry, there's no new DLCs abaout the ending.".
I doubt people will forget this. This is not "give time, and they will give up". Bioware, you have to choose. **** your fans or complain them, but do not stay silent.

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Hacedor1566 wrote...

I can't understand why they can't just say "yes, we're developing a new end. Don't worry, Wait for news" or "No, I'm sorry, there's no new DLCs abaout the ending.".
I doubt people will forget this. This is not "give time, and they will give up". Bioware, you have to choose. **** your fans or complain them, but do not stay silent.


That we on ourselves have felt that occurs at suggestion. :huh:

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Hacedor1566 wrote...

I can't understand why they can't just say "yes, we're developing a new end. Don't worry, Wait for news" or "No, I'm sorry, there's no new DLCs abaout the ending.".
I doubt people will forget this. This is not "give time, and they will give up". Bioware, you have to choose. **** your fans or complain them, but do not stay silent.


I know, ay. Be nice to stop worrying.

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Hold the line, simple as that. If we forget about this and they get away with the lame ending...
Hold. The. Line!
And indeed, they could cut this short with a simple answer, instead they post long statements and ask for feedback.

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somthing to make your asses off aha its funny

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9gag.com/gag/3412527

something to cheer up while holding the line :)

Modifié par AdmiralsJack, 18 mars 2012 - 04:47 .


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Wow if you consider that we have 693 pages at 25 posts a page... There are over 17k posts about this theory from people who don't like the current ending!

Byne RL EMS is through the roof!!!

Seriously though this combined with other posts/media outlets must have Bioware thinking, unless of course we are just running right into their carefully laid plan?

UK holding the line!

Modifié par ba0987, 18 mars 2012 - 04:50 .


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You will never believe this !

There is this marauder that poped out of nowhere, grabed a M20 Cain from our arsenal and shooted the Reeper right on the eye !
That was some pretty blast ! The Reeper never saw it coming.
After that he engaged the brutes on close combat and started to cut heads one after another just like you would cut flowers !

When finally all was over, I approached him cautiously and asked for his name.
" Shields.... Marauder Shields " was his answer.

He then dropped his weapon and walked away towards the sunset.

This marauder just saved my hole brigade !

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Tr0n01d wrote...


You will never believe this !

There is this marauder that poped out of nowhere, grabed a M20 Cain from our arsenal and shooted the Reeper right on the eye !
That was some pretty blast ! The Reeper never saw it coming.
After that he engaged the brutes on close combat and started to cut heads one after another just like you would cut flowers !

When finally all was over, I approached him cautiously and asked for his name.
" Shields.... Marauder Shields " was his answer.

He then dropped his weapon and walked away towards the sunset.

This marauder just saved my hole brigade !


his is our hero marauder shields :) saving us and holding the line :)


btw found this in the internet^^ img151.imageshack.us/img151/6856/me3kf.jpg

Modifié par AdmiralsJack, 18 mars 2012 - 04:55 .


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nighthawk132651 wrote...



somthing to make your asses off aha its funny

Laughed my ass off Posted Image Who knew that Legion could sing ..

Modifié par Joukahainen, 18 mars 2012 - 05:11 .