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 So I am just playing the last mission again and trying to look for the clues....My gun has unlimited ammo(does not require reload),that might be something too

EDIT: Anderson says that he sees something up ahed in the same time when i see it,it would confirm that he is my self consuenses

Modifié par Kveki, 11 mars 2012 - 10:18 .


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Ashii6 wrote...

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Who else thought the light at the end here was Harbinger's ‘face’ in the distance?

I know that once you crest the other side, it doesn't look anything like that and this is probably the bloom screwing with me, but that was my first impression.

I don't see any " Harbinger's face ". I mean, I'm looking at the light but I don't see any similarity.

Yeah, comparing it to images of Harbinger, I found it doesn't work. That's what I was fully expecting to see when I reached it, given the overall shape of everything you see through the door from there, but I don't mean to assume it was intentional.

Kveki wrote...

So I am just playing the last mission again and trying to look for the clues....My gun has unlimited ammo(does not require reload),that might be something too

  Nice catch. I kept reloading it by habit, so I didn't notice.

Modifié par Ellestor, 11 mars 2012 - 10:18 .


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irregardless, at least we got to see Talis REAL face, and not just some photoshop ripoff.


I had a heart attack for a split second and now I can't breathe cause I'm laughing so hard.

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Kveki wrote...

 So I am just playing the last mission again and trying to look for the clues....My gun has unlimited ammo(does not require reload),that might be something too


The gun in the Geth's VI thingy had unlimited bullets as well.

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Were any of the bodies laying dead on the citadel alien? None of bodies laying around makes sense. reapers would use those dead bodies against us.

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Turtlicious wrote...

Kveki wrote...

 So I am just playing the last mission again and trying to look for the clues....My gun has unlimited ammo(does not require reload),that might be something too


The gun in the Geth's VI thingy had unlimited bullets as well.


Well, it had unlimited reloads, the thing still ran out of ammo and had to wait a few seconds for it to recharge.

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Yuzna75 wrote...

Someone asked me to bring this up, since he couldn't post:
"The Stargazer is problematic in himself, because he makes it seem as though the space travel is now impossible. If that is true and at the same time he is definitely not on Earth, then how did he learn this story? There is no way for him to learn it, hence the post credit actually proves that Sheppard must have survived and told the tale."


Liara's memory box thingy. She expressed her desire to record Shepard's legacy so that future generations would never forget.


how does that mean anything, if you tell Liara to say what She wants, she goes on to Describe you as a person, and as such as Joker was leaving, the end of the box would be the beginning of the battle for Earth. the very end would have to have been made up by the old man.

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Turtlicious wrote...

Kveki wrote...

 So I am just playing the last mission again and trying to look for the clues....My gun has unlimited ammo(does not require reload),that might be something too


The gun in the Geth's VI thingy had unlimited bullets as well.


I had to reload during the "hallucination".

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Outlaw704 wrote...

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Arrival was the true ending to ME 2, it was a paid DLC


Damn, I didn't even think of this!


It wasn't the end of ME2. It was ME2.5, or the prologue to ME3. ME2 stood just fine without it, and it would have stood just fine as a stand-alone release.

How would it stand up just well if you didn't play arrival, or didn't know what arrival was about, you would be completely dumb founded as to why you went from destroying(or saving) the collectors base to being stuck on Earth on trial.


The odd thing about that is, I forgot that on my MaleShep who I am using for my second playthrough of ME3 I never got around to doing Arrival, and I got to the part where you talk to the dying Batarian who lost family on Aratoht.

On my FemShep who did Arrival, he recognized her and said anyone with family on Aratoht should know my face. I also said I felt bad about blowing up the Relay.

On MaleShep who didnt do Arrival, the batarian didnt recognize me, and Shepard claimed it was the Alliance who blew up the Relay.

So apparently if you didnt do Arrival you're grounded for no real reason.

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draken-heart wrote...

BlackDragonBane wrote...

Yuzna75 wrote...

Someone asked me to bring this up, since he couldn't post:
"The Stargazer is problematic in himself, because he makes it seem as though the space travel is now impossible. If that is true and at the same time he is definitely not on Earth, then how did he learn this story? There is no way for him to learn it, hence the post credit actually proves that Sheppard must have survived and told the tale."


Liara's memory box thingy. She expressed her desire to record Shepard's legacy so that future generations would never forget.


how does that mean anything, if you tell Liara to say what She wants, she goes on to Describe you as a person, and as such as Joker was leaving, the end of the box would be the beginning of the battle for Earth. the very end would have to have been made up by the old man.


Liara is only 122 (roughly) She could survive the battle of Earth and record the outcome quite easily afterwards, given Asari have a lifespan of 1000 years.

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draken-heart wrote...

BlackDragonBane wrote...

Yuzna75 wrote...

Someone asked me to bring this up, since he couldn't post:
"The Stargazer is problematic in himself, because he makes it seem as though the space travel is now impossible. If that is true and at the same time he is definitely not on Earth, then how did he learn this story? There is no way for him to learn it, hence the post credit actually proves that Sheppard must have survived and told the tale."


Liara's memory box thingy. She expressed her desire to record Shepard's legacy so that future generations would never forget.


how does that mean anything, if you tell Liara to say what She wants, she goes on to Describe you as a person, and as such as Joker was leaving, the end of the box would be the beginning of the battle for Earth. the very end would have to have been made up by the old man.


I honestly don't see that stargazer scene to be anything more then a reassurance to fans that Shepard's story hasn't completely been told yet...that there is at least one more story about him left...being that Bioware said that ME3 was the end of Shep's story I don't see this as another game as opposed to more likely being the real final battle and ending sequence

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BlackDragonBane wrote...

draken-heart wrote...

BlackDragonBane wrote...

Yuzna75 wrote...

Someone asked me to bring this up, since he couldn't post:
"The Stargazer is problematic in himself, because he makes it seem as though the space travel is now impossible. If that is true and at the same time he is definitely not on Earth, then how did he learn this story? There is no way for him to learn it, hence the post credit actually proves that Sheppard must have survived and told the tale."


Liara's memory box thingy. She expressed her desire to record Shepard's legacy so that future generations would never forget.


how does that mean anything, if you tell Liara to say what She wants, she goes on to Describe you as a person, and as such as Joker was leaving, the end of the box would be the beginning of the battle for Earth. the very end would have to have been made up by the old man.


Liara is only 122 (roughly) She could survive the battle of Earth and record the outcome quite easily afterwards, given Asari have a lifespan of 1000 years.


Actually I could have sworn she states that she is 108 and shortly turning 109 at the end of Shadow Broker in which Shep responds "I should get you something nice"

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Ashii6 wrote...

Ellestor wrote...

Who else thought the light at the end here was Harbinger's ‘face’ in the distance?

I know that once you crest the other side, it doesn't look anything like that and this is probably the bloom screwing with me, but that was my first impression.

I don't see any " Harbinger's face ". I mean, I'm looking at the light but I don't see any similarity.


Harbinger's "face" seen here http://images.wikia....ger_278x449.jpg
has those 4 bright yellow eyes/lights, I don't think I've seen them on any other reaper, so that leads most of us to believe the Reaper that bears down on you and Hammer at the end run is Harbinger, he has the same 4 eyes.

The scene that Ellestor links to has similar lights, but not quite...but it's possible.

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BlackDragonBane wrote...

draken-heart wrote...

BlackDragonBane wrote...

Yuzna75 wrote...

Someone asked me to bring this up, since he couldn't post:
"The Stargazer is problematic in himself, because he makes it seem as though the space travel is now impossible. If that is true and at the same time he is definitely not on Earth, then how did he learn this story? There is no way for him to learn it, hence the post credit actually proves that Sheppard must have survived and told the tale."


Liara's memory box thingy. She expressed her desire to record Shepard's legacy so that future generations would never forget.


how does that mean anything, if you tell Liara to say what She wants, she goes on to Describe you as a person, and as such as Joker was leaving, the end of the box would be the beginning of the battle for Earth. the very end would have to have been made up by the old man.


Liara is only 122 (roughly) She could survive the battle of Earth and record the outcome quite easily afterwards, given Asari have a lifespan of 1000 years.


I dont know where you get 122. She is 109. She was born in 2077, the same year that the nuclear war that destroyed the Fallout universe happened.

She's so awesome that to compensate for not having her an alternate universe had to have a nuclear war and destroy earth.

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I would love Bioware long time like Stanley Kubrick hooker if they did this.

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lavosslayer wrote...

BlackDragonBane wrote...

draken-heart wrote...

BlackDragonBane wrote...

Yuzna75 wrote...

Someone asked me to bring this up, since he couldn't post:
"The Stargazer is problematic in himself, because he makes it seem as though the space travel is now impossible. If that is true and at the same time he is definitely not on Earth, then how did he learn this story? There is no way for him to learn it, hence the post credit actually proves that Sheppard must have survived and told the tale."


Liara's memory box thingy. She expressed her desire to record Shepard's legacy so that future generations would never forget.


how does that mean anything, if you tell Liara to say what She wants, she goes on to Describe you as a person, and as such as Joker was leaving, the end of the box would be the beginning of the battle for Earth. the very end would have to have been made up by the old man.


Liara is only 122 (roughly) She could survive the battle of Earth and record the outcome quite easily afterwards, given Asari have a lifespan of 1000 years.


Actually I could have sworn she states that she is 108 and shortly turning 109 at the end of Shadow Broker in which Shep responds "I should get you something nice"


Ok, maybe I meant that as 112, but ya, Liara is 109, considering I JUST heard her say she's 106 in ME1.

Math is not my strong suit.

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Were any of the bodies laying dead on the citadel alien? None of bodies laying around makes sense. reapers would use those dead bodies against us.


I wish I could get a closer look on the faces. -.- In the video they all are bald for some reason, and there was a foot that looked like a salarian's foot, I wanted to explore and see if in fact they were dead npc's or dead people from different planets.

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I'd love to be an asari, 1000 years whoooo!

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Ellestor wrote...

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But the reapers are destroyed in that ending, so it only accomplishes their goal for the current cycle

I mean as a hallucination brought on by indoctrination, not as something that actually happened. It exploits Shepard's desire to destroy them by dangling it as a reward for destroying what they want destroyed. I'm not assuming that reward is an honestly offered one, but that it's a lie much like what Saren and TIM thought they were working toward.


Heh, something interesting occurs to me from this--if what the reapers want is to destroy all synthetics, masking it as destroying the Reapers with unfortunate side effects makes sense, since that's what Shepard wants, right? And as that's the ending in which Shepard lives, it implies that organic/synthetic hybrids won't actually be killed. The Reapers are organic/synthetic hybrids. So in truth you're only destroying the Geth and EDI, which is just what the Reapers want. 

I dunno if I explained that well. XD

But that's just a funny thought somewhat separate from the theories in this thread. I hope this is all true, but until it's confirmed or denied I'm gonna pretend it's not and go with synthesis. Can't stand to kill the Geth and EDI after all the work I put into saving, protecting and developing them (even sacrificing the Quarians, in my case). But if all this turns out to be true--which I hope hope hope it does--I'll replay the ending and act accordingly. :3

I quite enjoy this thread. Love crazy theories like this, especially when they're surprisingly plausible. :D

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Turtlicious wrote...

DifferentD17 wrote...

Were any of the bodies laying dead on the citadel alien? None of bodies laying around makes sense. reapers would use those dead bodies against us.


I wish I could get a closer look on the faces. -.- In the video they all are bald for some reason, and there was a foot that looked like a salarian's foot, I wanted to explore and see if in fact they were dead npc's or dead people from different planets.

Closer look would be helpful, but if there's any way to zoom faces it's the freecam and so far, no one unlocked it. At least, not yet.

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OMG, I can't stop refreshing this thread. Hoping that Bioware comes and confirms it or more evidence surfaces. This is the only thing giving me hope :)

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byne wrote...

Outlaw704 wrote...

Ainyan42 wrote...

CreepingGeth wrote...

Outlaw704 wrote...

Arrival was the true ending to ME 2, it was a paid DLC


Damn, I didn't even think of this!


It wasn't the end of ME2. It was ME2.5, or the prologue to ME3. ME2 stood just fine without it, and it would have stood just fine as a stand-alone release.

How would it stand up just well if you didn't play arrival, or didn't know what arrival was about, you would be completely dumb founded as to why you went from destroying(or saving) the collectors base to being stuck on Earth on trial.


The odd thing about that is, I forgot that on my MaleShep who I am using for my second playthrough of ME3 I never got around to doing Arrival, and I got to the part where you talk to the dying Batarian who lost family on Aratoht.

On my FemShep who did Arrival, he recognized her and said anyone with family on Aratoht should know my face. I also said I felt bad about blowing up the Relay.

On MaleShep who didnt do Arrival, the batarian didnt recognize me, and Shepard claimed it was the Alliance who blew up the Relay.

So apparently if you didnt do Arrival you're grounded for no real reason.


True, although I didn't really remember much from arrival and just assumed it had to do with the whole "you were with cerberus" factor that you get in your face non stop through ME 3 :)

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Lugaidster wrote...

OMG, I can't stop refreshing this thread. Hoping that Bioware comes and confirms it or more evidence surfaces. This is the only thing giving me hope :)


I'm right here with you! :D

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Holy ****.

I just realized something epic.

If you pay attention to the run down the hill it's almost IDNETICAL to Ilos, but even better... I think you've already been indoctrinated. Because if you look around, about half way through your team mates and Anderson have dissappeared, and you're just surrounded by faceless soldiers, that's when you get the pistol you never had equipped and THAT'S when the indoctrination actually started.

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Turtlicious wrote...

Holy ****.

I just realized something epic.

If you pay attention to the run down the hill it's almost IDNETICAL to Ilos, but even better... I think you've already been indoctrinated. Because if you look around, about half way through your team mates and Anderson have dissappeared, and you're just surrounded by faceless soldiers, that's when you get the pistol you never had equipped and THAT'S when the indoctrination actually started.


Holy crap. I gotta go watch that part again.
Give me a minute.