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#17601
lex0r11

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Ellythe wrote...

I just want my femshep to be able to kiss James. Just. One. Kiss. <sigh>


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still motivational hour.

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I woonder how the guy who came up with the endings feels if tghey were meant to be legit and we've all been saying that they are so bad they must be a lie.

kinda sucky to be him...

oh and garrus is gonna get his mutants before there'll be blue babies. Course we all know tali gets her house is gonna be canon. :)

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I dont believe IT is real, i think we could make bioware make it canon, but i doubt bioware wanted to go trough all this PR Nightmare for a prank...

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AdmiralsJack wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Actually after finishing the game my first thoughts were:
... but... but what about my little blue babies :o


mine too :(

Shut up I just want my house with my girlfriend.

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Guys, quick question about the VI kid aka God Child. Why exactly does it look like the child who got killed on Earth and was in Shepards dreams? I never understood that.

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RedShft wrote...

Guys, quick question about the VI kid aka God Child. Why exactly does it look like the child who got killed on Earth and was in Shepards dreams? I never understood that.

It's because Harbby is using a kid possibly someone who shepard new when s/he was a child.

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RedShft wrote...

Guys, quick question about the VI kid aka God Child. Why exactly does it look like the child who got killed on Earth and was in Shepards dreams? I never understood that.


because during the try to indoctrinate shepard harbringer uses the child to wake shepards feelings of guilt

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Ok. I can understand that. Is there any non-indoc theory that would support why the VI Kid should look like the Dream Child? Such as if we take the ending literally?

I like Indoc. Theory btw, i'm just trying to understand that part from both sides.

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The kid represents all the people s/he couldn't save. Much less impact if it were an adult.

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iwillkillfortali wrote...

AdmiralsJack wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Actually after finishing the game my first thoughts were:
... but... but what about my little blue babies :o


mine too :(

Shut up I just want my house with my girlfriend.


hey, stay civil, I'm not dening you your house with Tali...like I said before, I want Bioware to create a happy end for us so for you the house with tali and for me the blue children with liara so that everybody is happy...deal?


RedShft wrote...

Ok. I can understand that. Is there any
non-indoc theory that would support why the VI Kid should look like the
Dream Child? Such as if we take the ending literally?

I like Indoc. Theory btw, i'm just trying to understand that part from both sides.


Maybe just a not threating form Shepard knows or thinks about?

Modifié par AdmiralsJack, 19 mars 2012 - 12:35 .


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AdmiralsJack

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*double*

Modifié par AdmiralsJack, 19 mars 2012 - 12:35 .


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lex0r11

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AdmiralsJack wrote...

iwillkillfortali wrote...

AdmiralsJack wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Actually after finishing the game my first thoughts were:
... but... but what about my little blue babies :o


mine too :(

Shut up I just want my house with my girlfriend.


hey, stay civil, I'm not dening you your house with Tali...like I said before, I want Bioware to create a happy end for us so for you the house with tali and for me the blue children with liara so that everybody is happy...deal?


RedShft wrote...

Ok. I can understand that. Is there any
non-indoc theory that would support why the VI Kid should look like the
Dream Child? Such as if we take the ending literally?

I like Indoc. Theory btw, i'm just trying to understand that part from both sides.


Maybe just a not threating form Shepard knows or thinks about?




ohoh, don't leave out the others, you might regret that later..

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lex0r11 wrote...

AdmiralsJack wrote...

iwillkillfortali wrote...

AdmiralsJack wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Actually after finishing the game my first thoughts were:
... but... but what about my little blue babies :o


mine too :(

Shut up I just want my house with my girlfriend.


hey, stay civil, I'm not dening you your house with Tali...like I said before, I want Bioware to create a happy end for us so for you the house with tali and for me the blue children with liara so that everybody is happy...deal?


RedShft wrote...

Ok. I can understand that. Is there any
non-indoc theory that would support why the VI Kid should look like the
Dream Child? Such as if we take the ending literally?

I like Indoc. Theory btw, i'm just trying to understand that part from both sides.


Maybe just a not threating form Shepard knows or thinks about?




ohoh, don't leave out the others, you might regret that later..

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Yeah, good point Lex0r11.  Good to see you back on the thread.

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lex0r11 wrote...

AdmiralsJack wrote...

iwillkillfortali wrote...

AdmiralsJack wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Actually after finishing the game my first thoughts were:
... but... but what about my little blue babies :o


mine too :(

Shut up I just want my house with my girlfriend.


hey, stay civil, I'm not dening you your house with Tali...like I said before, I want Bioware to create a happy end for us so for you the house with tali and for me the blue children with liara so that everybody is happy...deal?


RedShft wrote...

Ok. I can understand that. Is there any
non-indoc theory that would support why the VI Kid should look like the
Dream Child? Such as if we take the ending literally?

I like Indoc. Theory btw, i'm just trying to understand that part from both sides.


Maybe just a not threating form Shepard knows or thinks about?




ohoh, don't leave out the others, you might regret that later..

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I wish Bioware would make an end were everybody gets what she/he wants Jack (laid), Miranda (staying alife), Liara (blue children), Tali (house), Harbringer (indoctrination), Saren (synthesis)....or if she/he wishes their shepard could die...as long as it is the closure we personally want.

and if someone wants spacemagic...then they find a way to make it for him/her :wizard::wizard:

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I don't know if this video has been posted here yet, but it provides a great case for the ID theory, and it still leaves out a lot of the evidence amassed in the original post of this thread. It was this video that introduced the theory to me, and I saw it after I beat the game and chose the destroy option (why would I not do what I've been trying for 2.9 games to do?) and I was glad to see that if the theory is true, I made the right choice.

While I hope that this is actually a brilliant ploy by Bioware to make what I would consider to be one the best endings to any story in movie/video game history, most of me is cynical and thinks that they just rushed the ending, and that the fans are just trying to find a way to make the ending better than it actually was. I hope I'm wrong on this, there is a lot of evidence to support the ID theory, but I'm not holding my breath for anything.

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Probably posted already, but I just realized that when the kid boards the shuttle at the start of the game, it's pretty odd that you see soldiers helping everyone to the shuttles, and the shuttle is full of people, presumably healthy adults standing right there, yet nobody interacts with the kid to get him on board, and he has to clumsily pull himself up into it.

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Red Starblazer wrote...

AdmiralsJack wrote...

Raze4573 wrote...

I do wonder...what is BioWare exactly waiting for. We did it, we solved the mystery.
Why keep the masquerade up? The longer they wait the more annoyed we are and the more ponies just return ME3 to the store or even sell it to somepony.
Not to mention the complete lack of official answer, did we scare them or something?


maybe they are waiting for more players to finish the game?


Admiral Jack, the game has already been out 3 days in Asia and 12 for the rest of us. Frankly if they are waiting I think it been long enough. I'm hoping for tomorrow, but odds are it'll be Tuesday.


I think they are trying to give every regeion at least 2 weeks, I have no Idea if that is true or not but with the rumored DLC coming in april that math play out close enough.

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InkognitoY wrote...

I don't know if this video has been posted here yet, but it provides a great case for the ID theory, and it still leaves out a lot of the evidence amassed in the original post of this thread. It was this video that introduced the theory to me, and I saw it after I beat the game and chose the destroy option (why would I not do what I've been trying for 2.9 games to do?) and I was glad to see that if the theory is true, I made the right choice.

While I hope that this is actually a brilliant ploy by Bioware to make what I would consider to be one the best endings to any story in movie/video game history, most of me is cynical and thinks that they just rushed the ending, and that the fans are just trying to find a way to make the ending better than it actually was. I hope I'm wrong on this, there is a lot of evidence to support the ID theory, but I'm not holding my breath for anything.


greatly referenced here, thank you for contributing anyway.

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One thing that convinced me that the whole thing after Conduit was an illusion was when Shepard shoot Anderson, and it was him not Andreson that bleed from that wound.

Other thing is the Stargazers world after the ending.

Right now I am 99% sure it is all well planed by BioWare !!

And I just want to say this scheme is one great way of finishing that great series. Normal ending for Mass Effect would be just not enough, so they decided to first get "a lot of speculations form evryone" :) and then hit as hard with the TRUTH !!

Brace for incoming - the ending gona be great !!

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RedShft wrote...

Ok. I can understand that. Is there any non-indoc theory that would support why the VI Kid should look like the Dream Child? Such as if we take the ending literally?

I like Indoc. Theory btw, i'm just trying to understand that part from both sides.

Before I read the Indoc theory, I believe the child was a "higher being", but not a god. When he first meets Shepard, the kid believes that Shepard can't help him, thinking that Shepard is just some random human, incapable of doing anything. The second time you see the kid, he's going into the shuttle. Maybe Shepard can only see him because he's been in contact with this "higher being". 

The dreams could just be a collection of Shepard's fears and guilt. The kid representing the guilt - the lone fact that Shepard cannot save everything. The reaper noises? Fear.

When you finally meet him in his "true" form, the kid realizes that Shepard can help him. Thus, he explains stuff and gives Shepard a choice to help him with his problem: the flawed solution.

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Dwailing wrote...

Yeah, good point Lex0r11.  Good to see you back on the thread.


nah, naturally.
it's motivational hour. i will motivate.

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Ona Demonie wrote...

RedShft wrote...

Ok. I can understand that. Is there any non-indoc theory that would support why the VI Kid should look like the Dream Child? Such as if we take the ending literally?

I like Indoc. Theory btw, i'm just trying to understand that part from both sides.

Before I read the Indoc theory, I believe the child was a "higher being", but not a god. When he first meets Shepard, the kid believes that Shepard can't help him, thinking that Shepard is just some random human, incapable of doing anything. The second time you see the kid, he's going into the shuttle. Maybe Shepard can only see him because he's been in contact with this "higher being". 

The dreams could just be a collection of Shepard's fears and guilt. The kid representing the guilt - the lone fact that Shepard cannot save everything. The reaper noises? Fear.

When you finally meet him in his "true" form, the kid realizes that Shepard can help him. Thus, he explains stuff and gives Shepard a choice to help him with his problem: the flawed solution.


you mean space magic (:wizard:), when  you write explains stuff? :D

i went with the thought that it is a non-treating form Shepard remembers

Modifié par AdmiralsJack, 19 mars 2012 - 12:53 .


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AdmiralsJack wrote...

Ona Demonie wrote...

RedShft wrote...

Ok. I can understand that. Is there any non-indoc theory that would support why the VI Kid should look like the Dream Child? Such as if we take the ending literally?

I like Indoc. Theory btw, i'm just trying to understand that part from both sides.

Before I read the Indoc theory, I believe the child was a "higher being", but not a god. When he first meets Shepard, the kid believes that Shepard can't help him, thinking that Shepard is just some random human, incapable of doing anything. The second time you see the kid, he's going into the shuttle. Maybe Shepard can only see him because he's been in contact with this "higher being". 

The dreams could just be a collection of Shepard's fears and guilt. The kid representing the guilt - the lone fact that Shepard cannot save everything. The reaper noises? Fear.

When you finally meet him in his "true" form, the kid realizes that Shepard can help him. Thus, he explains stuff and gives Shepard a choice to help him with his problem: the flawed solution.


you mean space magic (:wizard:)when  you write explains stuff? :D

Space Magic, paradoxes, and contradictions. :P

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all the funny nice things he/it says...

anyways...I'll be in bed trying to get some sleep...
keep holding the line everybody, we are all together in this!

Modifié par AdmiralsJack, 19 mars 2012 - 12:57 .


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Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Everyone.

I have been watching this thread for a few days now though my own suspecions are older than that and I am amazed of what i am seeing.

Even as what seems to be a sea of hate boils around us this thread stands among them, people from all around coming together and using information gathered from across the Mass Effect series are weaving a clear picture, a picture of what the ending most likely is.

If Bioware predicted something along these lines would happen, it has without doubt grown beyond their expectations. It is unlike anything I have ever seen from a videogame before, a passion and desire for the best of the series, as well as wish and belief that there is something deeper, it is beatiful.

The way i see it, the Ending has become our Reaper that we must slay and the Theory is our Crucible. We are not sure if it will work or what will happen, but it is our only hope.

And I say right now that I am proud to be part of all of this and I will hold the line alongside each of you until the end, whatever it might be.

Just wanted to get that out.


Well said, very poetic. It really is a beautiful thing to see a community come together to share a common goal.