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[Legion109]

Jiks wrote...
Feros colonists were enslaved by the Thorian, but not indoctrinated. Only Shiala (the asari who gives Shep the Cipher) is indoctrinated, and in the mail she sents you in ME3, she mentions that the Reaper voice is back, but thanks to the thorian spores and the collective mind like she and the colonists have, it's ignored.

Am I the only one who thinks Reapers look a sh*t load like giant Thorians, even the indoctrination process seems similar, the blatant arrogance and belief that it was a higher life form, the "husks" it created. I think Bioware abandoned this track but still Reapers=Ultimate plant revenge I think would have been a better ending.
- We don't hold lines in Las Vegas we do lines -
Indoception - the belief it was an Indoctrination in a Hallucination cause by the Indoctrination in the Dreams.

[jackncoke28]

Ritly13 wrote...

If anyone is wondering when and how Shep got indoc. I found some strong evidence for it. I was recently replaying ME2 Arrival to prep up my fem shep and at the point where the head scientist said that the relic gave her a vision of the Reapers going through the relay and found out she was indoc., that is when Shep got zapped by it and saw the same vision. That point on is when s/he is getting indoc. Also, is a voice log (Somewhere near a window) said that the head scientist was acting strange and thought that everyone was getting the SAME DREAM as her.

The logs about kenson's nightmares seem too like shepard's nightmares, how can someone not make the connection. All the deaths shepard has seen, all of a sudden because of some little boy he's having nightmares?

[spawnrofls]

I hope Bioware is taking note of the indoctrination theory and the end was actually like a battle within your own head to regain "control" or something to that nature and have an actual ending.

I can't accept the end the way it is in its current form. Even if it is proven completely false I will still assume that's what happened. That brings the best closure for me with what we have now.

[jackncoke28]

I just want the indoctrination ending patch, and then an LI DLC where I get to crash space station Into a hannar moon with jack lol

[Ghrelt]

Legion109 wrote...

Jiks wrote...
Feros colonists were enslaved by the Thorian, but not indoctrinated. Only Shiala (the asari who gives Shep the Cipher) is indoctrinated, and in the mail she sents you in ME3, she mentions that the Reaper voice is back, but thanks to the thorian spores and the collective mind like she and the colonists have, it's ignored.

Am I the only one who thinks Reapers look a sh*t load like giant Thorians, even the indoctrination process seems similar, the blatant arrogance and belief that it was a higher life form, the "husks" it created. I think Bioware abandoned this track but still Reapers=Ultimate plant revenge I think would have been a better ending.
- We don't hold lines in Las Vegas we do lines -
Indoception - the belief it was an Indoctrination in a Hallucination cause by the Indoctrination in the Dreams.

Wow.  I never even thought of that.  The reapers *do* look like the thorian...

[HairyMadDog1010]

jackncoke28 wrote...

I just want the indoctrination ending patch, and then an LI DLC where I get to crash space station Into a hannar moon with jack lol

To bad jack has to be "respectable" now.

[jackncoke28]

HairyMadDog1010 wrote...

jackncoke28 wrote...

I just want the indoctrination ending patch, and then an LI DLC where I get to crash space station Into a hannar moon with jack lol

To bad jack has to be "respectable" now.

only infront of her students 

[RADIUMEYEZ]

Fingertrip wrote...

RADIUMEYEZ wrote...

nighthawk132651 wrote...

look at this guys it kinda supports the bull **** about endings http://img854.images...5/how2casey.png

Wow that right there pisses me off and I just watched the video for that song.

Maybe you should do some research first before getting so angry over-something that's made-up? He never made a tweet like that. 

Well it's not like I immediately threw my computer out the window and murdered the family next door jeez it looked convincing enough to someone who doesn't use Twitter.

[Rob Psyence]

jackncoke28 wrote...

I just want the indoctrination ending patch, and then an LI DLC where I get to crash space station Into a hannar moon with jack lol

As for a patch I was thinking about that earlier, some kind of update or something.

[Dwailing]

 I've been watching some of the romance scenes, and all I can say is, we have people to come back to.  Bioware, please, give us new endings and follow the idea outlined in this thread.

(Although, having watched the video of the Traynor romance, all I can say is; Bioware, nudity is not necessary, but please, she's taking a shower in her bra and panties, in what universe do you do that outside of a certain popular passtime for adults? )

Modifié par Dwailing, 19 mars 2012 - 03:30 .

[Emperor_Ike]

GriffinXP wrote...

I'm reposting one of my earlier observations, because I'd like some opinions on it and feel as though it got buried twenty pages back.

GriffinXP wrote...

Has anyone seen the advertisement for the Sanctuary that is in the Presidium Commons? When you exit the elevator, if you head all the way down the hall to your immediate right, you can see a large holo-screen at the very end that boldly displays the word: 'Sanctuary'. The strange thing about it, though, is that the background of the advertisement is very disconcerting - on the whole, it's mostly consists of this weird shimmering dark-red color, but there are also these faint, black tendril-like wisps that move vertically across the screen.

If Cereberus is trying to attract people to the Sanctuary by passing it off as a safe haven, a place of peace and security, then why is their advertisement so unsettling?

Surely something more serene would prove to be a more appealing scene, wouldn't it? I mean, if I was a frightened refugee fleeing from the Reapers, the image of a peaceful place - a quiet colony nestled within a beautiful expanse of rolling, green hills, isolated from the war and free from strife - would probably have me buying tickets for the next shuttle out. However, the one they use is downright scary and unlikely to attract the attention of displaced colonists.

So, I offer this theory: perhaps the advertisement has been built with some kind of reaper technology, a low-level indoctrination device, if you will. To me, the effects on the holo-panel look very reminiscent of those used in Shepard's dreams and the final TIM confrontation (especially those tendrils).

Now, going on what I've read here about indoctrination, I'm pretty sure that the process can make people see and hear different things, so perhaps when the average man looks at the screen, he sees the paradise of his dreams.
This would imply that Shepard, who assumingly sees the same thing that the player does, can see through this illusion.

Perhaps this is more evidence of Shepard's resistance to indoctrination?

Or maybe my argument is hideously flawed - in which case, hopefully someone will set me straight. I am completely open to being wrong.

Comments?

If/when I can force myself to start a new game, I'm definitely going to check this out. It doesn't ring any bells, but with all the crap that's gone on since I last laid eyes on it, well, I'm not surprised I don't remember.

Also checked youtube but didn't see anything remotely similar.. unless it's buried in one of those Walkthrough vids. Meh.

[sjrskl]

I also would not understand it from a game development perspective if this was the real ending. Seeing as this is the ending of the trilogy I would expect them to work at the ending before the rest of the side missions. Why does everyone assume that game development is a strictly linear design process ? (when it comes to in game chronology not real life of course). Bioware has done many endings really well why screw this one up (again i get the DA2/EA hate but this was their best product from the last years it doesn't sit well with me that they would screw up this monumentally). that's one of the reasons this theory makes more sense than taking things at face value.

[jackncoke28]

Rob Psyence wrote...

jackncoke28 wrote...

I just want the indoctrination ending patch, and then an LI DLC where I get to crash space station Into a hannar moon with jack lol

As for a patch I was thinking about that earlier, some kind of update or something.

I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt with the patch, hoping it was planned ahead of time. not sure how making people pay for a proper ending will go down if they go the dlc route though

Modifié par jackncoke28, 19 mars 2012 - 03:35 .

[tariq071]

What i was seeing is that it was hallucination, right , but not from indoctrination, but severe loss of blood, with combination of reaper talking to him (Harbinger or someone like that).

Medically, it's fairly common that patients with huge loss of blood hallucinate and see light patterns, dead friends/family and such.

It was at the point where Adm. Hackett is telling Shep that Crucible is not powering up.After that he/she most likely passes out on the floor in front of the console. That could explain raising platform, Catalysts look , etc..

I would assume that they can use this as starting point for DLC/new game where Shep wakes upin Hospital/refugee camp (depending of where BW wants to go with this) with explanation that he was found like that and that

a) Crucible worked and killed Reapers
or
Crucible didn't work, united fleet took heavy beating and leftover forces pulled back to regroup and war is still on,
or
c) Crucible partially worked and Reapers took heavy casualty and pulled back into Deep Space, leaving all open.

or something along the line of original endings.

Modifié par tariq071, 19 mars 2012 - 03:42 .

[jackncoke28]

The fact that god child knew what crucible could do, when it had just been completed for the first time in any cycle, still bothers me.

[MWMike2011]

I hadn't even thought of it being a hallucination or indoctrination until I read part of this thread. After that, though, and having finished the game myself finally, I agree. The whole end sequence just seemed jerky and out of place. That final conversation with TIM...I dunno, something wasn't right about it. And now that I got the Shepard breathing ending, I fully and 100% believe that he hasn't gone up to activate the Crucible yet, because he was knocked unconscious by Harbinger's beam. I can't wait till BioWare wises up and lets me buy the DLC, The Truth or whatever it's being called now.

The only problem I'm seeing with The Truth DLC they are supposedly working on (with the Multiplayer maps and characters and with the real ending) is that the poster claims it is free and that it is coming out in April. I've been fooled too many times by announcements that come out in April but turn out to be April Fools Jokes to get my hopes up too high. We'll just see.

[TheConstantOne]

I've been following indoc theory for a while and, I must say, I'm a supporter. But has anyone considered the possibility that the room with the Reaper child may *not* be the crucial indoctrination moment? That may be the moment when Shepard is preparing to break free of indoctrination and the Reapers are trying to affect how he breaks free? I mention this because I am not satisfied with indoc theory's current explanation of the synthesis option. That choice isn't addressed much and I think there is more going on with that ending than has been noted so far.

I'm thinking that the true indoctrination moment is the Illusive Man confrontation with Anderson. That is the scene where we clearly see the evidence of "oily shadows" (I know this observation has been hit on several times.) Should Shepard survive this scene and defeat the Illusive Man, he begins to break free of Reaper control. Once Shepard starts to come to his senses, the Reapers make a final, desperate attempt to enslave him. We then move to Reaper Child scene.

If we follow the reasoning I just used, the kid could be a construction of not just the Reapers, but of Shepard as well. There is some support for this in that both the male and fem shep voice are components of the child's voice (again, I know this has been discussed.) The kid would have some knowledge of the Reapers and their purpose seeing as they are also part of the child (if this kid is even telling the truth which is anyone's guess) In order to escape indoctrination, Shepard must defeat the Reaper threat in his mind. Depending on his preparation, there can be more than one option with which he can do this. I'm beginning to think the "destroy" and "control" endings are not so much a choice between indoctrination and freedom, but a choice between what part of Shep is sacrificed to the Reapers in order to wake up.

Choosing "Destroy" leads to Shepard choosing to destroy all that is synthetic about him/herself. This leads to his organic components becoming a carrier for Reaper code and still gives them a "hook" from which to try and manipulate him. Conversely, choosing "Control" leads to Shepard sacrificing the organic essence of himself and thus the Reapers take hold of his synthetic components. The surviving components of Shep remain in the room with the child and are consequently "left behind" to the Reapers. With enough preparation, Shepard's mind can conceive of the third option: Synthesis. Synthesis consumes Shepard's entire being and therefore he can escape the indoctrination with the Reapers obtaining no hold of any kind on him. I can see some evidence for this in that the kid remains trapped in the room while he disappears for the destroy and control endings...perhaps because the Reaper entities inside of the kid escape the room with Shepard in those endings?

I don't know if this has been mentioned anywhere before, but synthesis has always seemed like an anomaly in the indoc theory. I know my spin on things seems different from the mainstream idea I've seen announced but I feel that there may be something to what I'm thinking, especially since Synthesis requires more preparation for Shepard to achieve.

Not a perfect ending explanation but what is anymore? haha Anyway, let me know what you all think, I'm eager for some feedback to this.

[Kyp]

jackncoke28 wrote...

The fact that god child knew what crucible could do, when it had just been completed for the first time in any cycle, still bothers me.

Well, it was kind of clear that one of the bigger underlying themes was that of evolution.  Of course species evolve - we see this largely through Javik's dialogue about the current species in charge and his thoughts on evolution being the only rule of the cosmos.  But also technological evolution - every species builds on top of what species before it did, who passed it along to them.  

So, to perhaps explain how the AI knew what the Crucible would do, it is possible that the technology - like almost all the other technology in the galaxy - came from the same place that the reapers and AI did.  The successful completion of the crucible was, as the name implies, a test to allow for organics to truly evolve to the point of allowing synthesis with synthetics.  (If the endings stand as they are, then I think that synthesis is supposed to be the right answer, despite Shep waking up in the "perfect" ending that I'm PISSED AS HELL is impossible to get without playing multiplayer)

[Rob Psyence]

tariq071 wrote...

What i was seeing is that it was hallucination, right , but not from indoctrination, but severe loss of blood, with combination of reaper talking to him (Harbinger or someone like that).

Medically, it's fairly common that patients with huge loss of blood hallucinate and see light patterns, dead friends/family and such.

It was at the point where Adm. Hackett is telling Shep that Crucible is not powering up.After that he/she most likely passes out on the floor in front of the console. That could explain raising platform, Catalysts look , etc..

I would assume that they can use this as starting point for DLC/new game where Shep wakes upin Hospital/refugee camp (depending of where BW wants to go with this) with explanation that he was found like that and that

a) Crucible worked and killed Reapers
or
Crucible didn't work, united fleet took heavy beating and leftover forces pulled back to regroup and war is still on,
or
c) Crucible partially worked and Reapers took heavy casualty and pulled back into Deep Space, leaving all open.

I think that it's a combination of both, the trauma and bloodloss makes it significally easier for Harbinger to influence Shepard and shape what she/he sees. The problem I have with strictly "hallucination" is the fact that my interpretation of the word implies that it's happenstance. Whereas an indoctorination influenced hallucination implies that an outside force (Harbinger) is attempting direct intervention. "Assuming direct control."

[nighthawk132651]

RADIUMEYEZ wrote...

Fingertrip wrote...

RADIUMEYEZ wrote...

nighthawk132651 wrote...

look at this guys it kinda supports the bull **** about endings http://img854.images...5/how2casey.png

Wow that right there pisses me off and I just watched the video for that song.

Maybe you should do some research first before getting so angry over-something that's made-up? He never made a tweet like that. 

Well it's not like I immediately threw my computer out the window and murdered the family next door jeez it looked convincing enough to someone who doesn't use Twitter.

yha i dont have twitter ethier i found that on another thred and wanted you all to look at it.

[jess05]

The ending was a setup for the spin off series.

Seen here:

See more on Know Your Meme

Modifié par jess05, 19 mars 2012 - 03:50 .

[DenmaDev]

You know, another plothole, or, at least a more reasonable route that the game could have taken at the end, was the justification for why EDI, the Geth, and Shepard would die by choosing the Destroy option. Starchild says it's because they are all synthetic, but, really, he could have just said that the Destroy option would wipe out all things with the (previously established) Reaper code. Seriously, it would net the SAME outcome and be more logical. EDI is Reaper tech infused with a Rogue VI. The Geth have Reaper upgrades. Shepard is implied to have had Reaper tech implanted as well (it would certainly fit TIM's MO). The kid could have just said, "You can destroy the Reapers, but know that all things using the Reapers' code will be destroyed, including the Geth, and you."

That's a huge boost of logic that would have been added by simply changing a single line. Though I suppose it would defeat the 'meaning' of the current ending. Or maybe Shepard's psyche didn't process that and just simplified it to being the destruction of Synthetics.

[Legion109]

Dwailing wrote...

 I've been watching some of the romance scenes, and all I can say is, we have people to come back to.  Bioware, please, give us new endings and follow the idea outlined in this thread.

(Although, having watched the video of the Traynor romance, all I can say is; Bioware, nudity is not necessary, but please, she's taking a shower in her bra and panties, in what universe do you do that outside of a certain popular passtime for adults? )

The preceeding message has been Krogan approved.

- We don't hold lines in Las Vegas we do lines -

Indoception - the belief it was an Indoctrination in a Hallucination caused by the Indoctrination in the Dreams.

[nighthawk132651]

jess05 wrote...

The ending was a setup for the spin off series.

Seen here:

See more on Know Your Meme

id buy it.....    

[Totally Not Swaggacide]

@jess05
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