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Was the ending a hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory


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#1751
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MrJu1c3 wrote...

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Holy ****.

I just realized something epic.

If you pay attention to the run down the hill it's almost IDNETICAL to Ilos, but even better... I think you've already been indoctrinated. Because if you look around, about half way through your team mates and Anderson have dissappeared, and you're just surrounded by faceless soldiers, that's when you get the pistol you never had equipped and THAT'S when the indoctrination actually started.


Holy crap. I gotta go watch that part again.
Give me a minute.


Post a video!

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Agreed Im here until I get news of DLC confirming all this.


Considering how long it took me to make the final choice, I went with Synthesis, because I couldn't face killing all the geth and EDI. I felt really hollow at that ending, and I did notice that the three options didnt make any sense.

Why would controlling be a paragon option and destroying renegade? Why would anderson not choose something else? The Synthesis beam was too "enticing".

What was said earlier in the thread seems to make a lot of sense, given the "Shepard is alive" ending in the rubble, im very inclined to believe Bioware have "duped us" into being indoctrinated.

Considering i nearly curled up in grief considering that Bioware lets you invest so much emotion and time in to the characters only to have shepard die and your crew stranded, Im really happy to have at least this (even if not official) as an ending.

I don't think bioware could be that horrible to not give "closure" and not expect an absolute backlash from everyone who invested emotion into the game.

#1753
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And boom. Now we have not only a jumping point. But the theory to match.

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Just DL'd fraps. BRB

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MrJu1c3

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Lugaidster wrote...

MrJu1c3 wrote...

Turtlicious wrote...

Holy ****.

I just realized something epic.

If you pay attention to the run down the hill it's almost IDNETICAL to Ilos, but even better... I think you've already been indoctrinated. Because if you look around, about half way through your team mates and Anderson have dissappeared, and you're just surrounded by faceless soldiers, that's when you get the pistol you never had equipped and THAT'S when the indoctrination actually started.


Holy crap. I gotta go watch that part again.
Give me a minute.


Post a video!



Around 26:00
I'm still looking over the footage.

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****, my save is on "The Return"

does someone have a save file I can use?

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MrJu1c3

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I looked over that video. I can't see where or if a switch happens, but all I can see is faceless soldiers running with you. Which is interesting.

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best place for whole run http://www.youtube.c...rEM5K0g#t=1585s

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Anderson is not ahead of you though. and there is no way for him to be on that platform, also she nearly turns around and I can't see anyone.

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Anderson is the guy on your left, you SEE him get hit by a laser directly, watch again. Follow the guy on your left with your mouse.

EDIT: ACtually that might be a marine.

Modifié par Turtlicious, 11 mars 2012 - 11:02 .


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Oh yeah, I see him get hit. When you see him on the Citadel, he's relatively unscathed compared to Shepard, which makes no sense.

Modifié par MrJu1c3, 11 mars 2012 - 11:00 .


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the one thing that still bothers me though is how Anderson describes things before shepard sees them, though I guess if its all a dream/internal struggle it doesn't really matter. Rewatched the sceen over at ign and it just doesn't feel like they intended for it to be a dream. I just can't shake that feeling, I do really hope I am wrong though. As for the running towards the light before harbringer blasts you, I didn't really see anything off there. What was off was probably more a programming decision then actual clues.

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I think i may have found something in Arrivals folder, i dont know if it was shown in the game though.

It was hidden behind the Rho image though by the looks of it. strange.

(ME2 i mean)

Modifié par Deltateam Elcor, 11 mars 2012 - 11:02 .


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I was just thinking that it's quite interesting just how much the end of ME3 lines up with the end of ME1. In both you drive/run towards a glowing blue teleport called the conduit, you then end up on the citadel and make your way to a control panel and confront Saren/TIM and in both confrontations not only are you discussing how much they're indocrinated, you also have the option to convince them to shoot themselves. You then go to the control panel, open the arms of the citadel and are presented with 3 choices, paragon, renegade, and neutral (and oddly enough, join with, control or destroy the council in ME1 and join with, control or destroy the reapers in ME3)...just some food for thought...

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MrJu1c3 wrote...

Oh yeah, I see him get hit. When you see him on the Citadel, he's relatively unscathed compared to Shepard, which makes no sense.

Even if TIM makes you shoot him, he's fine. Which really bothers me. Wasn't even sure what happened, the first time the gun went off. Thought it was a glitch.

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No, that's definitely Anderson. Turned it up to 720p just to make sure, well it's 4 am, and you guys helped me cope. so goodnight.

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Yeah, I noticed these things as well when I replayed the ending...

1. How did Anderson get to the console in the citadel? There was only one way in, and it was Shepard's path. Also, Anderson was saying he saw the bridge the same time as Shepard saw it. I did not see Anderson in front of me.

2. With God-boy there, shouldn't Shepard need a helmet when standing on top of the citadel, like he/she needed in ME1? I mean, Shep's just standing around in open space. The parallels with this and ME 1 are starting to show up, and the mirroring even in design.

Hmmm.

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Ellestor wrote...

MrJu1c3 wrote...

Oh yeah, I see him get hit. When you see him on the Citadel, he's relatively unscathed compared to Shepard, which makes no sense.

Even if TIM makes you shoot him, he's fine. Which really bothers me. Wasn't even sure what happened, the first time the gun went off. Thought it was a glitch.


Yeah same. That was the first moment when I thought something weird was going on the first time through, and then I was completely convinced that something wasn't right when Shepard went up the hidden elevator and walked around in space like it was no big deal.<_<

We may be over analyzing this, but the more I look at how weird the final part of the game was the more convinced I am that something is going on here.

Modifié par MrJu1c3, 11 mars 2012 - 11:08 .


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also, the Citadel is a mass Relay, an explosion would cause earth to blow up anyways, and in the Shepard lives ending, it is okay. makes no sense if the endings are the endings.

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It would also explain why the Red ending is the only one where Shepard can live, because it's the only ending that isn't a nonstandard game over.

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MrJu1c3 wrote...

Ellestor wrote...

MrJu1c3 wrote...

Oh yeah, I see him get hit. When you see him on the Citadel, he's relatively unscathed compared to Shepard, which makes no sense.

Even if TIM makes you shoot him, he's fine. Which really bothers me. Wasn't even sure what happened, the first time the gun went off. Thought it was a glitch.


Yeah same. That was the first moment when I thought something weird was going on the first time through, and then I was completely convinced that something wasn't right when Shepard went up the hidden elevator and walked around in space like it was no big deal.<_<

We may be over analyzing this, but the more I look at how weird the final part of the game was the more convinced I am that something is going on here.


Are they actually in open space though, was under the impression that there was some forcefield or glass covering the area.

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Phydeaux314 wrote...

It would also explain why the Red ending is the only one where Shepard can live, because it's the only ending that isn't a nonstandard game over.


yeah maybe we was on earth all along and is just waking up....

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Yuzna75 wrote...

MrJu1c3 wrote...

Ellestor wrote...

MrJu1c3 wrote...

Oh yeah, I see him get hit. When you see him on the Citadel, he's relatively unscathed compared to Shepard, which makes no sense.

Even if TIM makes you shoot him, he's fine. Which really bothers me. Wasn't even sure what happened, the first time the gun went off. Thought it was a glitch.


Yeah same. That was the first moment when I thought something weird was going on the first time through, and then I was completely convinced that something wasn't right when Shepard went up the hidden elevator and walked around in space like it was no big deal.<_<

We may be over analyzing this, but the more I look at how weird the final part of the game was the more convinced I am that something is going on here.


Are they actually in open space though, was under the impression that there was some forcefield or glass covering the area.


Well there could be, but my first impression was that it was open space. The audio was all echo-y and stuff.
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Modifié par MrJu1c3, 11 mars 2012 - 11:15 .


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Yes there was definitely something hidden in the image from the Rho artifact, the video has one theme to it, Harbinger (there are two distinct bits though, one with Harbinger shooting up the Presidium and landing in front of the crew and associates on illium for whatever reason) and Shepard's memories of his crew, friends and the first Normandy on that icy planet.

I am positive it was indoctrination, especially since he fell to the floor in agony.

If you have arrival installed/ME2, then the file is in biogame/DLC/dlc_exp_part2/movies, youll need the bik player though.

Its called Arv_Flash_marker.

Modifié par Deltateam Elcor, 11 mars 2012 - 11:16 .


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Yuzna75 wrote...

MrJu1c3 wrote...

Ellestor wrote...

MrJu1c3 wrote...

Oh yeah, I see him get hit. When you see him on the Citadel, he's relatively unscathed compared to Shepard, which makes no sense.

Even if TIM makes you shoot him, he's fine. Which really bothers me. Wasn't even sure what happened, the first time the gun went off. Thought it was a glitch.


Yeah same. That was the first moment when I thought something weird was going on the first time through, and then I was completely convinced that something wasn't right when Shepard went up the hidden elevator and walked around in space like it was no big deal.<_<

We may be over analyzing this, but the more I look at how weird the final part of the game was the more convinced I am that something is going on here.


Are they actually in open space though, was under the impression that there was some forcefield or glass covering the area.


maybe, maybe not, all i know is unless Shepard has magical plot armor if you have enough EMS one cannot suvive in space w/o a helmet, and real armor, which would be where you are by destroying the mass relays (of which the Citadel is one), and the fall to Earth.

Modifié par draken-heart, 11 mars 2012 - 11:16 .