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#17801
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arkhine wrote...

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Any news since yesterday evening?


This. Fill me in guys? I saw a post on Facebook:

'We are aware that there are concerns about a recent post from this account regarding the ending of the game. In this post it was stated that at this time we do not have plans to change the ending.'


What was this about?


http://social.biowar.../index/10226975

(From that post: Here is the original post she is responding about, this post has been taken off: http://imgur.com/6pPzn )

Modifié par Maegorod, 19 mars 2012 - 09:13 .


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arkhine wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Any news since yesterday evening?


This. Fill me in guys? I saw a post on Facebook:

'We are aware that there are concerns about a recent post from this account regarding the ending of the game. In this post it was stated that at this time we do not have plans to change the ending.'


What was this about?

here the link to there clarification https://www.facebook...275243029217754

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Thanks guys! I wonder if that 'someone' is looking for a job right now...

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arkhine wrote...

Thanks guys! I wonder if that 'someone' is looking for a job right now...

might not be looking for a job, but they probably dont make as much anymore.:pinched:

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 After a sleepless night once completing ME3 last night and reading up on this Indoctrination I can only hope this is true. Also has anyone wondered why Shepard isn'g wearing a helmet at the end? Yet he is blatently in space?!! The plot holes are too blatend as well. No way could they have come up with the ending that badly. I mean what I don't get too is that I chose the synthesis ending, and everyone on Earth lived and the reapers left, yet Joker is trying to get away from the explosion?! Why when everyone else survived the explosion on Earth?! Shepard's mind is ****ed. 

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CitadelSurfer wrote...

 After a sleepless night once completing ME3 last night and reading up on this Indoctrination I can only hope this is true. Also has anyone wondered why Shepard isn'g wearing a helmet at the end? Yet he is blatently in space?!! The plot holes are too blatend as well. No way could they have come up with the ending that badly. I mean what I don't get too is that I chose the synthesis ending, and everyone on Earth lived and the reapers left, yet Joker is trying to get away from the explosion?! Why when everyone else survived the explosion on Earth?! Shepard's mind is ****ed. 

and even though he "outruns" it he still gets hit with the synthysis. my question still remans..."Food for thought" = if organics and synthetics become one and the same in the green ending and  joker gets his whole green nervous system lookin stuff and green eyes and so on....why is E.D.I. still a chrome robot? lol >.< that kills me

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The new twitter that was imediately deleted, they stated that there was no plan atm for a new ending. This is the only evidence we need to dismiss the theory as real, the ingame evidence might be compeling but the real world evidence is overwelming...

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Elscotto1989 wrote...

CitadelSurfer wrote...

 After a sleepless night once completing ME3 last night and reading up on this Indoctrination I can only hope this is true. Also has anyone wondered why Shepard isn'g wearing a helmet at the end? Yet he is blatently in space?!! The plot holes are too blatend as well. No way could they have come up with the ending that badly. I mean what I don't get too is that I chose the synthesis ending, and everyone on Earth lived and the reapers left, yet Joker is trying to get away from the explosion?! Why when everyone else survived the explosion on Earth?! Shepard's mind is ****ed. 

and even though he "outruns" it he still gets hit with the synthysis. my question still remans..."Food for thought" = if organics and synthetics become one and the same in the green ending and  joker gets his whole green nervous system lookin stuff and green eyes and so on....why is E.D.I. still a chrome robot? lol >.< that kills me


As stated earlier, the LI is allways one of the persons comming out of the crashed Normandy.. please correct me if that's not the case. And if you chose Syntesis or Control.. allways one is EDI ?
The love intressed never shows any emotion cause of the loss of Shepard. If I would lose the person I really love (and I got the impression (in my game Ash) did really love Shep) I would not step happily out of a ship on a foreign planet..

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tobito113 wrote...

The new twitter that was imediately
deleted, they stated that there was no plan atm for a new ending. This
is the only evidence we need to dismiss the theory as real, the ingame
evidence might be compeling but the real world evidence is
overwelming...


Yeah, they just made such a lazy job with the one ending that people didn't want to believe it could be real.

Modifié par MDT1, 19 mars 2012 - 10:04 .


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Shepard: "Sounds brutal, how did you make it out?"
Eve: "I found this. A simple crystal, take it as a reminder. In your darkest hour, there is always a way out."

Speculation.

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CitadelSurfer wrote...
. Also has anyone wondered why Shepard isn'g wearing a helmet at the end? Yet he is blatently in space?!! The plot holes are too blatend as well. No way could they have come up with the ending that badly.


Maybe the Citadel has the same technology as turians did in Menae?

Modifié par wicked_being, 19 mars 2012 - 10:12 .


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Vahilor wrote...

Elscotto1989 wrote...

CitadelSurfer wrote...

 After a sleepless night once completing ME3 last night and reading up on this Indoctrination I can only hope this is true. Also has anyone wondered why Shepard isn'g wearing a helmet at the end? Yet he is blatently in space?!! The plot holes are too blatend as well. No way could they have come up with the ending that badly. I mean what I don't get too is that I chose the synthesis ending, and everyone on Earth lived and the reapers left, yet Joker is trying to get away from the explosion?! Why when everyone else survived the explosion on Earth?! Shepard's mind is ****ed. 

and even though he "outruns" it he still gets hit with the synthysis. my question still remans..."Food for thought" = if organics and synthetics become one and the same in the green ending and  joker gets his whole green nervous system lookin stuff and green eyes and so on....why is E.D.I. still a chrome robot? lol >.< that kills me


As stated earlier, the LI is allways one of the persons comming out of the crashed Normandy.. please correct me if that's not the case. And if you chose Syntesis or Control.. allways one is EDI ?
The love intressed never shows any emotion cause of the loss of Shepard. If I would lose the person I really love (and I got the impression (in my game Ash) did really love Shep) I would not step happily out of a ship on a foreign planet..

im well aware as to who gets off of the normandy, your post didnt have anything to do with what i said, i was referring to the fact that organic synthetic e.d.i. is still a tincan  even though shes supposed to be "organic" as well. clearly just an infiltration unit still. lol

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Crasher027 wrote...

Shepard: "Sounds brutal, how did you make it out?"
Eve: "I found this. A simple crystal, take it as a reminder. In your darkest hour, there is always a way out."

Speculation.

  This made me think back to the scene from mass effect 1, where the consort gives you the trinket and you use it on the prothean relic to see the caveman story, it didnt really play out much, yet you see those continually in mass effect 2 in the hammerhead missions and even get to carry one of the relics aboard the Normandy yet you dont get to unlock anymore of those latent "blackout" moments like you did on the pyjak planet.  ah well cant win em all. lol

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Did anyone read what i just typed? :


The new twitter that was imediately deleted, they stated that there was no plan atm for a new ending. This is the only evidence we need to dismiss the theory as real, the ingame evidence might be compeling but the real world evidence is overwelming.

Ask Bioware to make the theory canon, but i dont believe they wanted it to be.

#17815
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btw BioWare doesn't want to CHANGE the ending, this DOES NOT imply building upon it and expanding it. They never said anything against that.

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 19 mars 2012 - 10:27 .


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Elscotto1989 wrote...

Crasher027 wrote...

Shepard: "Sounds brutal, how did you make it out?"
Eve: "I found this. A simple crystal, take it as a reminder. In your darkest hour, there is always a way out."

Speculation.

  This made me think back to the scene from mass effect 1, where the consort gives you the trinket and you use it on the prothean relic to see the caveman story, it didnt really play out much, yet you see those continually in mass effect 2 in the hammerhead missions and even get to carry one of the relics aboard the Normandy yet you dont get to unlock anymore of those latent "blackout" moments like you did on the pyjak planet.  ah well cant win em all. lol


Well based upon the things Jarvik says it is pretty clear the Artifact and the vision of the caveman was the Protheans oberseving humanity. Jarvik after all makes it clear that the Protheans were watching potential species and even guiding some down certain paths.

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so i just found this about what casey hudson and the other devs were planning with the ending...apparantly they had an ending that answered all of our questions but decided that that we didnt NEED to know the answers so they gave us what they gave us...here read for yourself im gonna go throw up...*walks away mumbling* "i didnt know they could be so....seriously?.....why in the......" *voice trails off* http://www.eurogamer...ed-more-closure

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MDT1 wrote...

Yeah, they just made such a lazy job with the one ending that people didn't want to believe it could be real.

I don't share the interpretation of the ending that others do here, but I will say the two posts don't mean anything.

If it were true, there would be no plans to change the ending, just like they said. This would be the intended ending. Presumably they would follow up with future DLC (the only leg this belief has to stand on would be that they're not done yet).

The rest of us are just flabbergasted that they put this horrible literal ending into the game and were satisfied with it.

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are there any news since yesterday?

#17820
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You know what. I would ****ing love it if there was a video that is locked in the game which basically tells you what happens afterwards and that the hallucinations is what happened. Like Bioware unlock it on their side or something. That would be awesome.

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devSin wrote...

MDT1 wrote...

Yeah, they just made such a lazy job with the one ending that people didn't want to believe it could be real.

I don't share the interpretation of the ending that others do here, but I will say the two posts don't mean anything.

If it were true, there would be no plans to change the ending, just like they said. This would be the intended ending. Presumably they would follow up with future DLC (the only leg this belief has to stand on would be that they're not done yet).

The rest of us are just flabbergasted that they put this horrible literal ending into the game and were satisfied with it.


Not really. If the indoc theory is real there is no way the story ended like it did. The last scene was sheppard waking up and fighting the reapers FOR REAL. That is no way to end a series, but new evidence sugests that they didnt plan on making any ending DLC so the only rational conclusion is that indoc isnt real and they have no idea what to do :wizard:

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One thing that I think should be added to this theory is that Harbinger is the source of the indoctrination attempt on Shepard... This is the only thing that explains his complete absence from the story as he was trying to manipulate Shepard the whole time with the illusion of the kid, because I'm sure it would've been pretty clear whether or not Harbinger was leading the attack on any of the planets before hand.

I think people forget the Harbinger is kind of the main Antagonist of Mass Effect as he seems to be the Reaper of all Reapers. Now if I'm not mistaken (I don't entirely remember the ending, I try to forget it lol) it is specified before the assault on the beam to the Citadel that Harbinger (or his class of reaper) is breaking off from battle back to Earth to stop you (how else could the reapers have known? Harbinger must know where Shepard is going through their connection). I think this is a clear attempt to try finalize the indoc process by knocking Shepard out to own him, which he has made it clear he wanted Shepard's body intact as well. (and let's be honest, he could've killed him if he wanted to, that beam was clearly not directed to kill)

Just something I think should be taken into consideration with the theory. Sorry if this has been suggested already, but it seems like a simple thing overlooked in most versions of the theory.

Modifié par Orange Tee, 19 mars 2012 - 10:51 .


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wicked_being wrote...

CitadelSurfer wrote...
. Also has anyone wondered why Shepard isn'g wearing a helmet at the end? Yet he is blatently in space?!! The plot holes are too blatend as well. No way could they have come up with the ending that badly.


Maybe the Citadel has the same technology as turians did in Menae?


I always wondered about that...

#17824
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AdmiralsJack wrote...

are there any news since yesterday?

http://www.eurogamer...d-more-closure 
if you havent seen this already. the tossed out an ending that explained everything for an ending that explained nothing...

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Orange Tee wrote...

One thing that I think should be added to this theory is that Harbinger is the source of the indoctrination attempt on Shepard... This is the only thing that explains his complete absence from the story as he was trying to manipulate Shepard the whole time with the illusion of the kid, because I'm sure it would've been pretty clear whether or not Harbinger was leading the attack on any of the planets before hand.

I think people forget the Harbinger is kind of the main Antagonist of Mass Effect as he seems to be the Reaper of all Reapers. Now if I'm not mistaken (I don't entirely remember the ending, I try to forget it lol) it is specified before the assault on the beam to the Citadel that Harbinger (or his class of reaper) is breaking off from battle back to Earth to stop you (how else could the reapers have known? Harbinger must know where Shepard is going through their connection). I think this is a clear attempt to try finalize the indoc process by knocking Shepard out to own him, which he has made it clear he wanted Shepard's body intact as well. (and let's be honest, he could've killed him if he wanted to, that beam was clearly not directed to kill)

Just something I think should be taken into consideration with the theory. Sorry if this has been suggested already, but it seems like a simple thing overlooked in most versions of the theory.

Yes they said that several Sovereign class ships are breaking off, including Harbinger. My question would be why do they know which one is Harbinger.
Do they all have huge speakers installed to introduce themselves first?