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[hismastersvoice]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Some Protheans were turned into the Collectors, it is uncertain that everyone was. Some humans might have become the Collectors of the next cycle had we not stopped them.

I think it was EDI that speculated on Reapers failing to reaperize the Protheans, and instead turning them into tools. Also note that the process started very early, as Javik fought the Collectors on Eden Prime. I'd assume at the time Reapers would have been busy with harvesting each and every Prothean had they intended to ascend them, rather than making them into cannon fodder.

Modifié par hismastersvoice, 19 mars 2012 - 12:00 .

[nicotr23]

Sorry..

http://i.imgur.com/tQlte.jpg

[AdmiralsJack]

nicotr23 wrote...

http://i.imgur.com/tQltejpg

look at this...incredible!!

the image is not avaliable

[kyg_20X6]

I always imagined that the way to destroy the Reapers would be to effect their code. I mean, I doubt all the organic species over the millenia who were building the Crucible would work towards something that could effect organics. You'd probably want to target the synthetic parts of the Reapers.

Maybe the Citadel can transmit a signal to all Reapers. I mean, we know it can receive a signal (Sovereign's) why not transmit one? How would the Reaper forces know that Sovereign had succeeded? Maybe the Crucible is a device that alters this signal to deactivate/control the Reapers. Maybe using the Mass Relay system to send it across the galaxy. I'm not sure how they could really have a synthesis option since I cannot fathom even slightly how that kind of change could happen on a Galactic level via that sort of conveyance. If it's a reaper signal, you'd probably still need every organic implanted with Reaper parts or something.

Maybe after you fight indoctrination they can give you a more logical way of defeating the Reapers (like above), than Space Magic.

[Icinix]

nicotr23 wrote...

http://i.imgur.com/tQltejpg

look at this...incredible!!

 ..the image! It no longer exists or has been moved!

[Jaxitty]

@Red Starblazer try using a third party hosting site like photobucket or flicker

As for whether the Protheans had a reaper made of them or not, WE did. Why if that wasn't something they normally do. AND, someone else pointed out that Harby had 4 eyes? Would explain why he governed the Collectors.

[hismastersvoice]

nicotr23 wrote...

Sorry..

http://i.imgur.com/tQlte.jpg

I think it was confirmed this comes from the time Shepard was under lockdown after Arrival and the app messes with timestamps.

Would be cool though if it was a post game hospital visit for those who survived. Like, the DLC starts with your LI or Hackett, if you didn't romance anyone, visiting you in the hospital and the actuall ending is re-told via flashbacks.

Nah, terribad idea...

Modifié par hismastersvoice, 19 mars 2012 - 12:02 .

[DarkFire77777]

Hey Everybody! I was away over the weekend. Anything new to the indoc theory or any word from Bioware worth mentioning??

STILL Holding the Line!!

[warmonger_16]

very interesting, when I finished the game I thought somewhat similar but not exactly 'indoctrination'. Maybe a simple lucid dreaming, maybe not. Makes sense if consider the endings as ''unreal'' at least seems unique. Hoped for much more answers though.

[AdmiralsJack]

he just missed the . before the jpg the first time

[Relwyn]

hismastersvoice wrote...

nicotr23 wrote...

Sorry..

http://i.imgur.com/tQlte.jpg

I think it was confirmed this comes from the time Shepard was under lockdown after Arrival and the app messes with timestamps.

That's a bit silly, considering Ashley speaks of your incarceration. She even refused to come when Anderson called her (it was apparently too tough for her), so this message doesn't really quite make sense imo... 

Modifié par Relwyn, 19 mars 2012 - 12:06 .

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[hismastersvoice]

Relwyn wrote...

That's a bit silly, considering Ashley speaks of your incarceration. She even refused to come when Anderson called her (it was apparently too tough for her), so this message doesn't really quite make sense imo... 

Damn man, I want to believe this is a plot plant, I really do. I haven't got much faith left though...

Better safe than sorry.

[Macross]

hismastersvoice wrote...

nicotr23 wrote...

Sorry..

http://i.imgur.com/tQlte.jpg

I think it was confirmed this comes from the time Shepard was under lockdown after Arrival and the app messes with timestamps.

Would be cool though if it was a post game hospital visit for those who survived. Like, the DLC starts with your LI or Hackett, if you didn't romance anyone, visiting you in the hospital and the actuall ending is re-told via flashbacks.

Nah, terribad idea...

But, if I remember correctily, they had a misunderstanding about Ashley not visiting Shepard due to the fact the She could face him/her. So why would they have that piece of dialogue of this was after Arrival?

EDIT: Ninja'd.

Modifié par Macross, 19 mars 2012 - 12:11 .

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

hismastersvoice wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Some Protheans were turned into the Collectors, it is uncertain that everyone was. Some humans might have become the Collectors of the next cycle had we not stopped them.

I think it was EDI that speculated on Reapers failing to reaperize the Protheans, and instead turning them into tools. Also note that the process started very early, as Javik fought the Collectors on Eden Prime. I'd assume at the time Reapers would have been busy with harvesting each and every Prothean had they intended to ascend them, rather than making them into cannon fodder.

Eden Prime was the Protheans last stand if I recall what jarvik said correctly and the war itself went on for so long that the Protheans who saw the end had not yet been born when it started, like Jarvik says. Plenty of time to to harvest what is needed from other worlds and to indoctrinate and change other Protheans to help them.

[Pathero]

Heh. Would be cracking if Shep wakes up in hospital with a WTF? And then they go for the 'Well, Skipper, we're not sure but....'

REAL endings.

Also, they have no plans to change the endings because they are happy with the level of interest and they have always planned to have DLC for the ending, thus there is no need to change them.

Yes, it's a desperate way of interpreting the post but I'd rather live in hope than wallow in despair.

The line. I is holding it.

[xChelseaSmile]

njfluffy19 wrote...

xChelseaSmile wrote...

 'LookingGlassMind' blew my mind...

Maybe it's a reach to assume that Bioware could've come up with this, but even if they didn't...The theory works. Everything in this post makes me undoubtedly believe that the Indoctrination Theory is true. And that is unbelievable. This is why Mass Effect is the best game series of all time. No game has EVER indoctrinated me before...I have no words, really. 

That's why I find it so hard to believe they didn't place all these clues on purpose. There's just so much evidence that builds up if you're looking in the right places. Granted, some of it is most likely reaching, but how can you explain all of it away?

I really hope they did it on purpose, and that the DLC will be when shep wakes up after getting out of indoc....However it's HIGHLY unlikely since not everybody chose that ending...

Either way, the game has a pretty vague ending. Basically, if the Indoc theory isn't true, the games ending is a ball of confusion and a satisfactory attempt...If the indoc theory is true, the story isn't done...We still have to see what happens (unless they're pulling a 'The Sopranos' Where you decide the real end.

Thanks to glassmind, I can now put Mass Effect 3 on my shelf, knowing that my favourite media form of all time is now ME3. (Surpassing both LOST, and Final Fantasy 7)

[nicotr23]

i think shepard receives the message after the hallucination

[KerrJMF]

Quick question. Apologies if it has already been posted/answered.

I've replayed the ending twice, once with < 3000 EMS and the second with full EMS. Odd thing I noted, when my EMS was smaller, almost all of my crew was on the Normandy crash. When I was at 100% readiness, it was just my ground crew (Garrus, Vega). Has anyone else noticed this? Or is the makeup of the Normandy crash at the end kind of random? My fear is that Bioware is going to release an extended epilogue that explains, 'you see, they're dead.'

[Earthborn_Shepard]

I lold

[ShadowNinja1129]

 I know posting something like this here is essentially preaching to the choir, but whatever, I'll post it anyway in case you folks might find it interesting. While this thread was picking up steam and going strong, I was making my own video in parallel to cite proof from the game that supports the idea of Shepard fighting off indoctrination. The ideas presented are my own, but I found this thread and saw it had similar info as well as a wealth of additional support for the theory. I refer whoever views my video to come here for more, so I figured it was only fair to give you all that heads up.

www.youtube.com/watch

Don't expect anything too crazy new though, looks like most of my assertions were already covered by someone else in this thread (except for maybe my appraisal of the dream sequences and their significance, from my reading a lot of people have been skirting that one).

Here's the link again in case the hyperlink breaks: 

[blueboxblues]

KerrJMF wrote...

Quick question. Apologies if it has already been posted/answered.

I've replayed the ending twice, once with < 3000 EMS and the second with full EMS. Odd thing I noted, when my EMS was smaller, almost all of my crew was on the Normandy crash. When I was at 100% readiness, it was just my ground crew (Garrus, Vega). Has anyone else noticed this? Or is the makeup of the Normandy crash at the end kind of random? My fear is that Bioware is going to release an extended epilogue that explains, 'you see, they're dead.'

I had over 6k EMS and Joker, Kaidan (LI), and Garrus got off the Normandy at the end...Garrus was never in my party for the last part of the game. Starting to think it might be random, which would be a strange programming decision since so many players have characters from their party in the last mission walk off the Normandy on bi-lunar jungle land.

[Zylenn]

I realy like that theory.
When I finished the game the first time i looked like Krusty at the end of this clip  
But with this ID theory in mind the endings make a lot more sense.

Btw
Maybe it's just me but what about Shepard turning against his friend Mordin on Tuchanka, if you choose not to cure the genophage? Shep shoots him in the back to stop him from repairing the STG sabotage at the tower.

Or when you talk to Joker after the Rachni mission with Grunt and saved the queen.
Joker says "You killed the normal queen on noveria but with the reaper variant you go full risk?" (or somthing like that. i've the german version of ME 3)
Shepard replies "I thought it was the right thing to do."

Now considering the Indoctrination codex entry where it states that indoctrinated people turn against friends and trust enemies it seems quiet possible that Shepard is slightly becoming indoctrinated.
Or I'm just reading to much into it.

Anyway, Asari troops are holding the line in germany.

[mmmu]

njfluffy19 wrote...

xChelseaSmile wrote...

 'LookingGlassMind' blew my mind...

Maybe it's a reach to assume that Bioware could've come up with this, but even if they didn't...The theory works. Everything in this post makes me undoubtedly believe that the Indoctrination Theory is true. And that is unbelievable. This is why Mass Effect is the best game series of all time. No game has EVER indoctrinated me before...I have no words, really. 

That's why I find it so hard to believe they didn't place all these clues on purpose. There's just so much evidence that builds up if you're looking in the right places. Granted, some of it is most likely reaching, but how can you explain all of it away?

I feel the same way. Sure, some of the proof gathered for the indoc theory seems like a longshot, but there are such big plot points that just happen to fit absolutely perfectly. There's no denying that fact.
Also, the whole idea of the indoctrination theory is downright amazing, and considering the excellent writing of Mass Effect series, I have no doubt they could have pulled off this twist.

[themidz]