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 Hey everyone,

Loved the game, but I also felt like things were off with the thing as a whole. This may have been mentioned earlier, but I noticed the writing on the Crucible 1m1" was written backwards on the approach to the final decision. Its said that you see numbers and letters backward in your dreams, and I thought it was odd for sure. Maybe evidence that what is going on is in her subconcicious or ID. 

From a texturing point of view I can't see why mirroring the object on the left to the right, or visa-versa would make that a reason. She's dreaming or ID for sure!

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 Is this new?

It's a picture of some of the teasing Twitter replies Jessica Merizan has made over the last few days...

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CavemanLog wrote...

 
 Hey everyone,

Loved the game, but I also felt like things were off with the thing as a whole. This may have been mentioned earlier, but I noticed the writing on the Crucible 1m1" was written backwards on the approach to the final decision. Its said that you see numbers and letters backward in your dreams, and I thought it was odd for sure. Maybe evidence that what is going on is in her subconcicious or ID. 

From a texturing point of view I can't see why mirroring the object on the left to the right, or visa-versa would make that a reason. She's dreaming or ID for sure!


I can't remember dreaming about anything related to text or reading something, I woudn't know. 

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Sammuthegreat wrote...

 Is this new?

It's a picture of some of the teasing Twitter replies Jessica Merizan has made over the last few days...


They're doing a lot of double-talk. It looks as though their PR division is so splintered, one hand doesn't know what the other is doing.

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I agree with indoctrination theory since the start, however we should still not let the ending stay as it currently is.

My humble attempt at unity http://social.biowar...8067/1#10248528

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CavemanLog wrote...

 
 Hey everyone,

Loved the game, but I also felt like things were off with the thing as a whole. This may have been mentioned earlier, but I noticed the writing on the Crucible 1m1" was written backwards on the approach to the final decision. Its said that you see numbers and letters backward in your dreams, and I thought it was odd for sure. Maybe evidence that what is going on is in her subconcicious or ID. 

From a texturing point of view I can't see why mirroring the object on the left to the right, or visa-versa would make that a reason. She's dreaming or ID for sure!


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Sammuthegreat wrote...

 Is this new?

It's a picture of some of the teasing Twitter replies Jessica Merizan has made over the last few days...


Woah dude cheers for this. I have not seen this yet. From what she is saying I think we are all missing something. Maybe there is a hidden ending somewhere on the disc? Maybe we have to do a certain thing at a certain time to see the rest of it? I think we have a huge treat coming our way though by the looks of things and going by Jessica's twitter account. 

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Elscotto1989 wrote...

arkhine wrote...

Thanks guys! I wonder if that 'someone' is looking for a job right now...

might not be looking for a job, but they probably dont make as much anymore.:pinched:

No, he or she probably got told to be more carefull in the future, a warning, I highly doubt that the person got fired or starter earning less money.

Unless the person had been doing many mistakes, but if this was the first, then only a warning.

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wantedman dan wrote...

Sammuthegreat wrote...

 Is this new?

It's a picture of some of the teasing Twitter replies Jessica Merizan has made over the last few days...


They're doing a lot of double-talk. It looks as though their PR division is so splintered, one hand doesn't know what the other is doing.


I'd say she steps well beyond PR double-speak in a lot of those responses...

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Crasher027 wrote...

Shepard: "Sounds brutal, how did you make it out?"
Eve: "I found this. A simple crystal, take it as a reminder. In your darkest hour, there is always a way out."

Speculation.

  At first I was like "who the hell is eve?" and then I rememberd.

If the crystal in someway is linked to shepard getting out of the reaper hold, it kinda reminds me of another series.

Oh and speaking of series
Green Ending = buffy season 5
blue ending = x men, the first movie.
red = probably a movie or tv series as well.

 anyway, the crystal might just be for nothing, but if it is for something, then what? More space magic?

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

AdmiralsJack wrote...
[...] Keelah Se'lai and in the name of the Goddess :)

The Goddess is a Prothean, only Quarians still have something to believe in. :P

And the humans? 

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monrapias wrote...

Crasher027 wrote...

Shepard: "Sounds brutal, how did you make it out?"
Eve: "I found this. A simple crystal, take it as a reminder. In your darkest hour, there is always a way out."

Speculation.

  At first I was like "who the hell is eve?" and then I rememberd.

If the crystal in someway is linked to shepard getting out of the reaper hold, it kinda reminds me of another series.

Oh and speaking of series
Green Ending = buffy season 5
blue ending = x men, the first movie.
red = probably a movie or tv series as well.

 anyway, the crystal might just be for nothing, but if it is for something, then what? More space magic?

Space magic? Just what we need...

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i love the indoc theory
but to be honest its not the last 10-15 minutes in my opinion thats bad, its more like the last 30. i was really hoping during the return to earth there would be cutscenes showing your friends (like jack) fighting the reapers at different areas. cutscenes of the space battle overhead.

but we get none of that.

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Rodrigo Galliard wrote...

One thing that keeps bothering me. Why people state that the renegade stuff mens bad stuff? Renegade means "do whatever you need to do, even when others don't have the guts to do so, trying to achieve something good". Shepard is not evil, he wants to save the galaxy, even the renegade Shepard is good, he just put the duty above all things, mostly. The "Anderson Choice" is "Renegade" because military people usually puts duty above all things, this is "Renegade" in the game, mostly. Paragon is a kind of "i want to save everybody", who usually follow his heart, mostly, what is dangerous, but rewarding, in other hand, Renegade people just do what they have to do, and have no concerns about "some" casualties, the goal must be achieved at any cost.

The eye stuff, i think this is wrong,because i was playing yesterday and noticed the EDI's eye have the same pattern, but they just don't glow. Or she was indoctrinated too? Based in what i know, machines don't need to be indoctrinated, they can just be controlled by "hacking" their systems or be "persuaded" in the case of a real AI, like Geth and EDI.

Just for the record, i finished the game once, now i'm replaying to correct some **** i done in the previously playthrough.


1. That's... a terrible misunderstanding of paragon/renegade. For the record, look at every evil dictator in history. 95% of them thought they were doing good. And yes, that includes TIM. The guy who's helping the Reapers because he's bored with torturing slave children to see if it helps their biotics.
2. You answered your own question. EDI is a machine. A machine can look like whatever the hell its creator wanted it to look like. EDI is in Dr. Eva's body, which was created by a group run by a megalomaniac with indoctrinated eyes. If she looked like a turian, would that mean spikes on one's head wasn't a sign of being a turian because someone built a machine to look like one?

And as we've discussed, TIM's eyes got like they were after contact with a Reaper artifact during the First Contact War. It's established canon that the design is from Reaper toys.

MegumiAzusa wrote...

I've collected over 6600 points in war assets (3300 EMS) and didn't even get the "collect most of the war assets" achievement. There is enough without playing the MP.


It certainly is odd then that there's no reliable reports of anyone actually accomplishing it. Even though the great majority of war assets are documented on the wikia.

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monrapias wrote...

Crasher027 wrote...

Shepard: "Sounds brutal, how did you make it out?"
Eve: "I found this. A simple crystal, take it as a reminder. In your darkest hour, there is always a way out."

Speculation.

  At first I was like "who the hell is eve?" and then I rememberd.

If the crystal in someway is linked to shepard getting out of the reaper hold, it kinda reminds me of another series.

Oh and speaking of series
Green Ending = buffy season 5
blue ending = x men, the first movie.
red = probably a movie or tv series as well.

 anyway, the crystal might just be for nothing, but if it is for something, then what? More space magic?


Not necesarily space magic, but a focus.

Remember the movie Inception, in it each of the characters had a small totem, an object only they knew how felt in regards to weight and such things. In a dream that object would have a different characteristic which would be noticeable if the person held the totem allowing them to realize it is a dream.

Similarly the crystal can be a focus for Shepard, a known object that rips him out of his Indoctrination haze and gives him focus. Nothing magic about that.

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I just got it yesterday, that achievement.

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Sammuthegreat wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

Sammuthegreat wrote...

 Is this new?

It's a picture of some of the teasing Twitter replies Jessica Merizan has made over the last few days...


They're doing a lot of double-talk. It looks as though their PR division is so splintered, one hand doesn't know what the other is doing.


I'd say she steps well beyond PR double-speak in a lot of those responses...


@masseffect has had some interesting replies to people today as well.

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monrapias wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

AdmiralsJack wrote...
[...] Keelah Se'lai and in the name of the Goddess :)

The Goddess is a Prothean, only Quarians still have something to believe in. :P

And the humans? 


in the name of blue and human babys :-D and against :wizard:

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Sammuthegreat wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

Sammuthegreat wrote...

 Is this new?

It's a picture of some of the teasing Twitter replies Jessica Merizan has made over the last few days...


They're doing a lot of double-talk. It looks as though their PR division is so splintered, one hand doesn't know what the other is doing.


I'd say she steps well beyond PR double-speak in a lot of those responses...


I was speaking about the Bioware PR efforts overall, thus far.

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blueboxblues wrote...

Sammuthegreat wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

Sammuthegreat wrote...

 Is this new?

It's a picture of some of the teasing Twitter replies Jessica Merizan has made over the last few days...


They're doing a lot of double-talk. It looks as though their PR division is so splintered, one hand doesn't know what the other is doing.


I'd say she steps well beyond PR double-speak in a lot of those responses...


@masseffect has had some interesting replies to people today as well.


could you name a few?

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After again listening to the codex entry on Indoctrination and comparing it to both Shepard's recurring nightmares and the end game. I am absolutely positive that this is in fact what we got. The evidence was all there.

BioWare is saying they'll take changing the endings into consideration... but that wasn't the ending.

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blueboxblues wrote...

Sammuthegreat wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

Sammuthegreat wrote...

 Is this new?

It's a picture of some of the teasing Twitter replies Jessica Merizan has made over the last few days...


They're doing a lot of double-talk. It looks as though their PR division is so splintered, one hand doesn't know what the other is doing.


I'd say she steps well beyond PR double-speak in a lot of those responses...


@masseffect has had some interesting replies to people today as well.


A few more past responses halfway down this page (in italics).

Could you list a few of those "interesting" replies please?

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Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

monrapias wrote...

Crasher027 wrote...

Shepard: "Sounds brutal, how did you make it out?"
Eve: "I found this. A simple crystal, take it as a reminder. In your darkest hour, there is always a way out."

Speculation.

  At first I was like "who the hell is eve?" and then I rememberd.

If the crystal in someway is linked to shepard getting out of the reaper hold, it kinda reminds me of another series.

Oh and speaking of series
Green Ending = buffy season 5
blue ending = x men, the first movie.
red = probably a movie or tv series as well.

 anyway, the crystal might just be for nothing, but if it is for something, then what? More space magic?


Not necesarily space magic, but a focus.

Remember the movie Inception, in it each of the characters had a small totem, an object only they knew how felt in regards to weight and such things. In a dream that object would have a different characteristic which would be noticeable if the person held the totem allowing them to realize it is a dream.

Similarly the crystal can be a focus for Shepard, a known object that rips him out of his Indoctrination haze and gives him focus. Nothing magic about that.

Interesting. Perhaps the crystal helps him/her to lose the hold the reaper have. 

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not sure if anyone seen this?
http://i1115.photobu...31778596081.png

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Eyjh wrote...

not sure if anyone seen this?
http://i1115.photobu...31778596081.png


We have already dismissed that claim.

No, really, it turned out to be a fake.