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[Flapperrr]

And know that the most vile in all this situation. Kaprishin painted Reapers and their motives absolutely on another. Reapers wanted to "raise" organic races. And instead of responsiblly explaining that it means, BioVari invite any hedgehog in a fog which invents GhostBoy, and an explanation "we kill you everyone 50к years that you did not kill synthetics".

[darthnick427]

I fully support the indoctrination theory. Hold the line everybody we'll win this yet

[LeRavelle]

They say they're listening, that means to both groups the theorists and the folks that want to keep the ending this way, so maybe it depends on what group has the most support.

[N7xELITE]

This will cheer you up ..........

[monrapias]

This has probably been pointed out before.

But the kid, you can see that the building that he enters, gets "blown up" by a reaper. how does one survive a blast like that? specially if your hiding in a shaft.

[AdmiralsJack]

LeRavelle wrote...

They say they're listening, that means to both groups the theorists and the folks that want to keep the ending this way, so maybe it depends on what group has the most support.

if thats the case I must say that I hope we have the most support...hold the line!

monrapias wrote...

This has probably been pointed out before.

But
the kid, you can see that the building that he enters, gets "blown up"
by a reaper. how does one survive a blast like that? specially if your
hiding in a shaft.

and the pops up out of thin air before entering the building through a locked door^^

illusion/indoctrination or just space magic [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/wizard.png[/smilie]

i prefer the first

Modifié par AdmiralsJack, 19 mars 2012 - 06:12 .

[AdmiralsJack]

*double* sorry

Modifié par AdmiralsJack, 19 mars 2012 - 06:12 .

[JesseLee202]

AdmiralsJack wrote...

LeRavelle wrote...

They say they're listening, that means to both groups the theorists and the folks that want to keep the ending this way, so maybe it depends on what group has the most support.

if thats the case I must say that I hope we have the most support...hold the line!

The polls are pretty dang clear on this topic.

[LauraElizabeth]

Completed my 2nd playthough this morning, trying hard to keep believing in the indoc theory. This thread has certainly helped me to peice together my thoughts on the ending.
Attempting to hold the line!
All in all though, it's been wonderful to see the community come together like this :-) Hugs for you all!

Modifié par LauraElizabeth, 19 mars 2012 - 06:26 .

[LeRavelle]

It really warms my heart to see so many folks caring for a story and discuss it in a over 700 page thread, listening to each other and discussing without anyone stomping on our ideas.

People, I salute you all, proud to hold the line with you all!

[Kanon777]

Guys, bioware did NOT intend this thery to be canon, otherwise they wouldnt say that there is no plan for ending dlc.

This entire thing is just a speculation and the fact that they are still silent is evidence that they are trying to figure out what went wrong with the real ending.

[spyro396]

If its not a illusion/dream then it has too many plot holes to be a real ending

[Angmir]

Capeo wrote...

I can't believe this is still being debated. BW said last night they are not changing the endings. IT doesn't make sense and fits none of the actual evidence anyway (i.e. script, app, dev interviews, the friggin title screen at the end of the game, the epilogue, what BW said LAST NIGHT, etc.) but that's besides the point. BW admitted it already. These are the ends they intended.

Use your brains for a second. Outside of the above objective evidence (the IT depends on utterly subjective evidence) you honestly believe BW would have shipped their biggest game to date with an incomplete ending? Really? Think about that. The gaming press has already given their reviews which they are touting in their commercials. Millions have already played. You honestly think they are holding an ending in the wing that invalidates two of the final choices in the game? You think that wouldn't be a worse clusterF than this? Do you think the gaming press is going to go back and re-review the game? Do you think they wouldn't come out guns blazing over such a cheap deception?

Honestly, the whole idea is ridiculous.

They are talking the truth - the endings from ME3 are not going to change only that they arent the endings yet - right after the endings fade you regain control of your Shepard if of course you shoose wisely.

And you sir - you are no right to call yourslef  Shepard - you have been fooled by Harbinger - you have been indoctrinated !!

Modifié par Angmir, 19 mars 2012 - 06:34 .

[Red Starblazer]

I feel like I've lived in this thread since I finished my first playthrough.

Bioware. You made me start smoking again (seriously). I am so upset with you. Why must you hurt me in this way...

Modifié par Red Starblazer, 19 mars 2012 - 06:35 .

[Red Starblazer]

Angmir wrote...

Capeo wrote...

I can't believe this is still being debated. BW said last night they are not changing the endings. IT doesn't make sense and fits none of the actual evidence anyway (i.e. script, app, dev interviews, the friggin title screen at the end of the game, the epilogue, what BW said LAST NIGHT, etc.) but that's besides the point. BW admitted it already. These are the ends they intended.

Use your brains for a second. Outside of the above objective evidence (the IT depends on utterly subjective evidence) you honestly believe BW would have shipped their biggest game to date with an incomplete ending? Really? Think about that. The gaming press has already given their reviews which they are touting in their commercials. Millions have already played. You honestly think they are holding an ending in the wing that invalidates two of the final choices in the game? You think that wouldn't be a worse clusterF than this? Do you think the gaming press is going to go back and re-review the game? Do you think they wouldn't come out guns blazing over such a cheap deception?

Honestly, the whole idea is ridiculous.

They are talking the truth - the endings from ME3 are not going to change only that they arent the endings yet - right after the endings fade you regain control of your Shepard if of course you shoose wisely.

And you sir - you are no right to call yourslef  Shepard - you have been fooled by Harbinger - you have been indoctrinated !!

Anderson: He is controlling YOU!

[Rifneno]

tobito113 wrote...

Guys, bioware did NOT intend this thery to be canon, otherwise they wouldnt say that there is no plan for ending dlc.

This entire thing is just a speculation and the fact that they are still silent is evidence that they are trying to figure out what went wrong with the real ending.

1.  "Evidence" is not the word you're looking for.
2.  As we've said 350458235684256486 times in the last 20 pages, they deleted that response and said it was made by an ill-informed employee.

[lodgik]

I just thought of something.

Let's assume that the indoc theory is right and shep wake up. He still need to attach the crusible and make it work. The only problem is that nobody know how it works not even shepard. It has been established by the game that the citadel is the catalyst right. I don't think there is going to be a magical button or a program that instently upload if you attach the crusible. So what races as the innate ability to make thing work, who are as mysterious as the reapers. THE KEEPERS, it has been establish in the games that they make everything happen in the citadel they repair it, rebuilt it etc... The keepers where always mysterious has on their origins and it as also been established that they are slaves to the reapers so whe can assume that they were once a race of the galaxie. What if they were the first races that built the crucible, what if they were the one who built the citadel. It would explain why they are so good at reparing it, why they understand so much about technologies and why the crucible and the citadel work in tandem.

Wouldn't it be awesome, destroyed by the same people whom you enslaved millions of years ago

There is a lot of what if but all i'm going to say is REAPERS, KEEPERS !!!!

[Red Starblazer]

LauraElizabeth wrote...

Completed my 2nd playthough this morning, trying hard to keep believing in the indoc theory. This thread has certainly helped me to peice together my thoughts on the ending.
Attempting to hold the line!
All in all though, it's been wonderful to see the community come together like this :-) Hugs for you all!

I finished mine Saturday morning. After hearing about the Idoc. Theory, all the signs just seem to jump at you this time through, right? It did for me.

And your right. You and the guy who posted after you. 700+ pages of debate and theory and we've all been supportive of one another.

That's spacemagic for you.

My Little Shepards: Friendship is SpaceMagic!

[JTP117]

tobito113 wrote...

Guys, bioware did NOT intend this thery to be canon, otherwise they wouldnt say that there is no plan for ending dlc.

This entire thing is just a speculation and the fact that they are still silent is evidence that they are trying to figure out what went wrong with the real ending.

If none of this were right they would have said so, they want us to speculate to give them Ideas and to see what we can find within their hints.

[IronSabbath88]

I love how civil and thoughtful this thread is being. The other thread is full of naysayers who are just so willing to shoot everything down and look at everything in a negative light.

[JTP117]

IronSabbath88 wrote...

I love how civil and thoughtful this thread is being. The other thread is full of naysayers who are just so willing to shoot everything down and look at everything in a negative light.

We have been trying to take criticism constructively, though we have had our share of nay-sayers who forgot their happy-pills

[thebigbad1013]

To me, the indoctrination theory is the only thing that gives any kind of sense and meaning to the last 10 minutes of the game. If you play through it with the indoctrination theory in mind, it actually makes sense (Shepard fighting against indoctrination) especially considering that destroying the reapers is the only way to get the ending where Shepard lives and wakes up (on Earth!!) It also offers an explanation as to why the confrontation with Shepard, Anderson and the Illusive Man seems as off as it does (to me at least). Whereas if you play through the end and take it all at face value...it makes no sense at all.

So yeah, I choose to believe in the indoctrination theory. It's the only thing that makes any kind of sense.

[Kanon777]

spyro396 wrote...

If its not a illusion/dream then it has too many plot holes to be a real ending

There arent many plot holes, just ALOT of things that they left for "speculation", they wanted a vague ending that could mean multiple things and gave no real answer to the misteries of the story. 

Many of the evidences for IT can be atributed to development issues (same armor, infinite ammo, reuse of assets, bad flagging of living/dead squadmates). The red-paragon/blue-renegade think can be simply a way for Bioware to show that the colors dont need represent the actual morality of your choice.

The other reasons are kinda compeling but i believe Bioware when they stated that the ending was what it was and they are taking feedback and trying to figure out what to do next (they wouldnt have this attitude if it was all part of the plan).

From Casey:

We always intended that the scale of the conflict and the underlying theme of sacrifice would lead to a bittersweet ending—to do otherwise would betray the agonizing decisions Shepard had to make along the way.  Still, we wanted to give players the chance to experience an inspiring and uplifting ending; in a story where you face a hopeless struggle for basic survival, we see the final moments and imagery as offering victory and hope in the context of sacrifice and reflection.
(...)
But we also recognize that some of our most passionate fans needed more closure, more answers, and more time to say goodbye to their stories—and these comments are equally valid. Player feedback such as this has always been an essential ingredient in the development of the series.

[jusenkyo7]

Bless you all for your efforts and commentary. It's sustained me over the past few days since finishing the game.
I think I will start a second playthrough from ME1 to present, in the hopes that by the time I get through all three again, Bioware will have released DLC to address the ending.

I have nothing to add to the thoughtful analysis on here. All I would say is that I think the indoctrination theory is correct ultimately, regardless of future DLC. It makes sense in light of the various mixed messages from insiders about a "bittersweet ending" that is "open to interpretation/speculation." Though I will admit that without further elaboration via DLC, it's a rather inartful finish to such an epic series.

I remain optimistic on the ending DLC front though, because as I see it, Bioware/EA have two options:

1. Leave things the way they are, seriously souring a large swath of Bioware's most ardent fan base and seriously hampering the profitability of any DLC and any future forays into the extremely lucrative ME franchise. Moreover, ME will forever be remembered for its disappointing final five minutes instead of the absolutely brilliant 100 to 150 hours that preceded them.

2. Cop to the indoctrination theory, either via a free DLC ending cinematic or via a $10 DLC that adds an assault on the Citadel and gets you said ending cinematic. If they charge, there will be a lot of grumbling about nickel-and-dimeing (sp?) the customer, but ultimately, let's face it, most of us would happily cough up $10 to get resolution, and an additional few hours of play would help the medicine go down. Charge or no charge, they will get serious critical props for the meta-indoctrination, and be remembered for the most memorable, buzz-generating video game ending of all time. They'll be able to sell DLC for at least a year, to say nothing of future ME games, comics, novels, and other merch tie-ins ad nauseam.

You all have done a terrific job of pointing out the advantages to ID from a story perspective. From a business perspective, I just can't see any upside to sticking with the status quo.

[RedShft]

Hey guys, unfortunately, as much as I love the idea of indoctrination theory it's hard for me to believe that it was the intended view of the ending. I've lost faith

I hope that we can get a new ending that is more concrete, and even possibly incorporating indoctrination theory.

If we can't, and this is it, then IT will always be how I interpret the ending.