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[Walrusninja]

Dunno if this has been said or in this way but may as well throw it out there:

We're all aware of quite how complicated the decisions and lines were throughout the series. It could be kind of harrowing to say the lest to make some of those decisions. Now imagine how emotionally and physically destroyed Shephard would've been after all that? Now imagine how daunting his task of finding a way to tie all together must've been. With me so far?

Now, Harbigner sees that and presents 3 super simplistic options instead of a swathe of complexity, with an "A,B,C" interface. The biggest difference between them being a simple colour change. All 3 simple choices leave things "finished" with virtually no challenge at all, they all also end with everyone crash landing in paradise regardless of where they were beforehand. It's like, a dream come true for Shephard, it's too easy, too good to be true. He saves everyone and there's not really any bad news that makes sense at least (like in dreams). It disregards all that came before and leaves Shephard with a "look, everything is ok, you did it, now you can give up!" feeling.

To my mind, that's the whole idea.

Also considering the possibility that Bioware used the idea of a "catalyst" in more ways that one. Not just in the game, but in the reaction to it and it's ending. When you think about it. The Indoctrination theory is a catalyst in itself. It's the missing ingredient that links the current ending to the actual ending without consuming either,

Only question really is: are they that smart/thoughtful?

[Ona Demonie]

JTP117 wrote...

Ona Demonie wrote...

AdmiralsJack wrote...

RedShft wrote...

Ona Demonie wrote...

HOLD ON. There was a statement last night where BW said they weren't changing the endings (but later retracted)?

Yes.

and they clarified that this statement was made by an ill-informed person and isnt BW's position

Oh, thank Marauder Shields! Did this person even work for BW?

Yes but he/she was a rookie

Wow. Guess they may have lost that position. o_o

[Elidor109]

JTP117 wrote...

Ona Demonie wrote...

AdmiralsJack wrote...

RedShft wrote...

Ona Demonie wrote...

HOLD ON. There was a statement last night where BW said they weren't changing the endings (but later retracted)?

Yes.

and they clarified that this statement was made by an ill-informed person and isnt BW's position

Oh, thank Marauder Shields! Did this person even work for BW?

Yes but he/she was a rookie

He/she didn't realize that part of the job is lying xD

[Sammuthegreat]

JTP117 wrote...

RedShft wrote...

crimsontotem wrote...

Hackett asking Shepard that 'something is wrong at your end' and Shepard 'breathing' scene is the foremost two strong reason why I am still into this theory.

I didn't see anyone coming up with rebuttal for those two 'in-game' evidences,

bottom line: Hold the Line!

What about Hackett and "Something is wrong at your end" ? How do you think this ties into IT?

well supposedly no one saw Shepard OR Anderson get into the portal/beam. They were presumed KIA so how did Hacket automatically know to contact Shepard about the crucible not working? And how did they communicate at all? I thought the beam/ citadel was jamming most signals (the targeting systems for the missles)

I'd imagine the Citadel's arms opening gave him a clue though.

[JTP117]

True, but that still leaves out how he immediately knew it was shepard when he was just reported KIA along with all of hammer team

[Cloud Varis]

tobito113 wrote...


The EDI  thing could be a flagging issue, its not the first time a Bioware game has the problem...

Im watching the scene where shep wakes up, there is not only broken concrete around him, but some wierd blue tubes with black stripes, if someone can confirm if London ground also had those tubes we would have good evidence.

Im replaying the last part right now to try and confirm it

Er.. I thought that was just rebar

[JTP117]

tobito113 wrote...

Well the dark-grey blue color pallete is the same for london and the secret ending but i havent seen the blue/black tubes yet (they looked to me like alien technology)...

I saw them earlier in the game, they were sticking out of buildings and rubble, my guess is that they are re-bar that is inside reinforced concrete structures

[ElementL09]

I believe in this theory becuase of the space child. When playing the single player campaign, I would have expected there to be a renegade option to grab the kid and get him out of there. Also, no one seems to help the kid himself when the shuttle arrives. Additionally, my nightmares revolve around the kid, and not other characters or friends. If my shepard was going to have a nightmare, it would be about Anderson and how he's doing everything he possibly can and still hoping for shepards return or reinforcements while people and events around him or making him think otherwise, doubting shepard even though he knew.

Another nightmare sequence with the child and my shepard burning together, really made me question who this child is. Why is my shepard putting so much signficance or representation on him instead of other characters?

Then comes the ending and the child turning out to be the maker of the reapers, when first introduced, I thought he was just an AI for the Citadel, but I quickly dismissed that since he was in a form of a child.

Based on his character and how he is represented in the game, I personally feel that he is an illusion/just an indocturnation attempt by the reapers to make you feel that you are responsible for all the lives lost.

[Angmir]

I just want to say - Indoctrination/halusination theory was eighter planed from the start of does not apply. I dont belive they would gather the whole crew agian to make the final endign now, it is all eighter allready prepared in 75% at least of it will never come.

Durring last aday I thought so much about that I watched those endigns over and over so I now am 100% sure that current ending was ment to be illusion at the very least.
So it eighter be a start to a true ending (and tere is no better prove than Shepard is Alive rubble scene) eighter it has been converted into to actual ending at some point by cutting the founds
Which seems unlikely too - they would not cut the founds on the ending of the series - they woudl cut some other content first, plus i can imagine they would have Endings ready long before finishing the game, evry writer writes the ending first in their final episode.

[njfluffy19]

Elidor109 wrote...

He/she didn't realize that part of the job is lying xD

Lol...  DERP.

[Sammuthegreat]

JTP117 wrote...

True, but that still leaves out how he immediately knew it was shepard when he was just reported KIA along with all of hammer team

Who else would it have been? This is Shepard we're talking about 

I get your point, I just don't think it's a particularly compelling bit of evidence. The fact that Hackett can radio him at all, though, despite Shepard wearing no discernible radio equpiment, is suspicious - as is the fact that there's little to no disruption in the audio feed.

[Angmir]

Another powerfull point for the theory from me:

Why woudl they bother with the whole War assets thing if only diffrence there was a 10 seconds scene of SHepards taking gasping breath ??

[Rifneno]

Clue number one that he's not waking up on the Citadel: It blew up. In space.

Things that will definitely, 100%, without a doubt kill anyone: 1. Being on a space station that explodes. 2. The unforgiving vacuum of outer space. 3. Earth's atmosphere upon re-entry. 4. A 200,000 foot fall. 5. Garrus Vakarian, but that's beside the point.

[JTP117]

Angmir wrote...

I just want to say - Indoctrination/halusination theory was eighter planed from the start of does not apply. I dont belive they would gather the whole crew agian to make the final endign now, it is all eighter allready prepared in 75% at least of it will never come.

Durring last aday I thought so much about that I watched those endigns over and over so I now am 100% sure that current ending was ment to be illusion at the very least.
So it eighter be a start to a true ending (and tere is no better prove than Shepard is Alive rubble scene) eighter it has been converted into to actual ending at some point by cutting the founds
Which seems unlikely too - they would not cut the founds on the ending of the series - they woudl cut some other content first, plus i can imagine they would have Endings ready long before finishing the game, evry writer writes the ending first in their final episode.

Even if they did have to bring the cast back, why would that be so hard? "Hey guys, we need you to come back and talk into this mic while we pay you, hope that's okay" lol, sounds like a sweet job to me, and who would turn down more money?

[njfluffy19]

Rifneno wrote...

Clue number one that he's not waking up on the Citadel: It blew up. In space.

Things that will definitely, 100%, without a doubt kill anyone: 1. Being on a space station that explodes. 2. The unforgiving vacuum of outer space. 3. Earth's atmosphere upon re-entry. 4. A 200,000 foot fall. 5. Garrus Vakarian, but that's beside the point.

Garrus Vakarian is always the main point.

[JTP117]

Rifneno wrote...

Clue number one that he's not waking up on the Citadel: It blew up. In space.

Things that will definitely, 100%, without a doubt kill anyone: 1. Being on a space station that explodes. 2. The unforgiving vacuum of outer space. 3. Earth's atmosphere upon re-entry. 4. A 200,000 foot fall. 5. Garrus Vakarian, but that's beside the point.

#5 proves it beyond a shadow of a doubt lol

[mmmu]

Rifneno wrote...

Things that will definitely, 100%, without a doubt kill anyone: 5. Garrus Vakarian

Wahaha 

[Sammuthegreat]

JTP117 wrote...

Angmir wrote...

I just want to say - Indoctrination/halusination theory was eighter planed from the start of does not apply. I dont belive they would gather the whole crew agian to make the final endign now, it is all eighter allready prepared in 75% at least of it will never come.

Durring last aday I thought so much about that I watched those endigns over and over so I now am 100% sure that current ending was ment to be illusion at the very least.
So it eighter be a start to a true ending (and tere is no better prove than Shepard is Alive rubble scene) eighter it has been converted into to actual ending at some point by cutting the founds
Which seems unlikely too - they would not cut the founds on the ending of the series - they woudl cut some other content first, plus i can imagine they would have Endings ready long before finishing the game, evry writer writes the ending first in their final episode.

Even if they did have to bring the cast back, why would that be so hard? "Hey guys, we need you to come back and talk into this mic while we pay you, hope that's okay" lol, sounds like a sweet job to me, and who would turn down more money?

It's not the money, I'm sure the actors would be happy to do the work. Trouble is that one of the reasons games and films (or anything involving talent) take so long to produce is that all the different personnel involved have different schedules. It's an absolute nightmare keeping all those plates in the air at the best of times, let alone squeezing it all in within a 3 or 4 week timeframe (i.e. the window between the game's release and the release of any endgame DLC - unless it's been made already, that is).

[Kanon777]

Ok then look at this



I made a red circle around a wound on sheps armor, its on the same place he/she got shot during TIM/Anderson confrontation. This is evidence that it all really happened and sheppard somehow made it back from the citadel Relay after the Red-Destroy explosion (LOTS OF SPECULATION FOR EVERYONE).

See how the wound is bleeding JUST like that scene where shep talks to anderson at the end (a required scene for sheppard survive with less than 5k EMS)

Modifié par tobito113, 19 mars 2012 - 07:59 .

[njfluffy19]

Oops...

Modifié par njfluffy19, 19 mars 2012 - 07:58 .

[njfluffy19]

tobito113 wrote...

Ok then look at this

*snip*

I made a red circle around a wound on sheps armor, its on the same place he/she got shot during TIM/Anderson confrontation. This is evidence that it all really happened and sheppard somehow made it back from the citadel Relay after the Red-Destroy explosion (LOTS OF SPECULATION FOR EVERYONE)

[Walrusninja]

Or perhaps the "getting shot" was simply part of the illusion presented to Shephard as an excuse for his injuries to convince his brain even more so of the hallucination? Maybe he did just get wounded on earth.

[Sammuthegreat]

tobito113 wrote...

Ok then look at this

*image removed*

I made a red circle around a wound on sheps armor, its on the same place he/she got shot during TIM/Anderson confrontation. This is evidence that it all really happened and sheppard somehow made it back from the citadel Relay after the Red-Destroy explosion (LOTS OF SPECULATION FOR EVERYONE)

Er... that's on the wrong side. In the TIM confrontation, Shepard is bleeding from his left-hand side. What you've circled is on the right.

Wasn't there supposedly a piece of dialogue/a scene that was cut, describing Shepard being helped to his feet by Anderson, with a piece of metal sticking into his leg? This picture would certainly lend credence to that rumour.

[chkchkchk]

lodgik wrote...

Let's assume that the indoc theory is right and shep wake up. He still need to attach the crusible and make it work. The only problem is that nobody know how it works not even shepard. It has been established by the game that the citadel is the catalyst right. I don't think there is going to be a magical button or a program that instently upload if you attach the crusible. So what races as the innate ability to make thing work, who are as mysterious as the reapers. THE KEEPERS, it has been establish in the games that they make everything happen in the citadel they repair it, rebuilt it etc... The keepers where always mysterious has on their origins and it as also been established that they are slaves to the reapers so whe can assume that they were once a race of the galaxie. What if they were the first races that built the crucible, what if they were the one who built the citadel. It would explain why they are so good at reparing it, why they understand so much about technologies and why the crucible and the citadel work in tandem.

Wouldn't it be awesome, destroyed by the same people whom you enslaved millions of years ago

There is a lot of what if but all i'm going to say is REAPERS, KEEPERS !!!!

This is a cool idea.  I'd love to wake up after the "red" ending, get dragged by my equally bloodied squadmates up into the Citadel (obviously they were watching my back while I was having my indoctrination dream) and then we'd have to escort the keepers to some special control panel or something.  That'd be a decent little mission.  Having the keepers play a role in defeating the Reapers... poetic justice right there.

[xXAndikingXx]

Hey guys!

I've got one weird question.

Just checked my 360 storage drive for deleting some chars I no longer need and then I found one data I simply can't make any sense of.
It is called "Title Content Progress cache", and if I open it, it says "incomplete".

It's installed since Marcht 8th (which is the day i got ME3 and installed it) and its size is 1.4 gb!

I checked google and it says this file is usually used for incomplete downloads, but it can impossibly be the "from ashes dlc" because it's only 629mb.

There are only two possible answers:

1. The file is some hidden data from the ME3 demo
2. There is some great file concerning ME3 installed that isn't used yet, because it's, for some reason, not fully downloaded or not unlocked. (Possible real ME3 ending???)

Edit:

Ah Nevermind it's only the english language pack that wasn't fully downloaded. I thought I found a trace, sorry guys!

Modifié par xXAndikingXx, 19 mars 2012 - 08:07 .