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[JTP117]

kyg_20X6 wrote...

JTP117 wrote...

Angmir wrote...

I just want to say - Indoctrination/halusination theory was eighter planed from the start of does not apply. I dont belive they would gather the whole crew agian to make the final endign now, it is all eighter allready prepared in 75% at least of it will never come.

Durring last aday I thought so much about that I watched those endigns over and over so I now am 100% sure that current ending was ment to be illusion at the very least.
So it eighter be a start to a true ending (and tere is no better prove than Shepard is Alive rubble scene) eighter it has been converted into to actual ending at some point by cutting the founds
Which seems unlikely too - they would not cut the founds on the ending of the series - they woudl cut some other content first, plus i can imagine they would have Endings ready long before finishing the game, evry writer writes the ending first in their final episode.

Even if they did have to bring the cast back, why would that be so hard? "Hey guys, we need you to come back and talk into this mic while we pay you, hope that's okay" lol, sounds like a sweet job to me, and who would turn down more money?

Doubt it would require "hours" of additional dialogue, either.

"Hey Shepard, we need you to say 'I should go' a few more times then we can wrap this up" lol

[AdmiralsJack]

njfluffy19 wrote...

If you haven't, check this out

http://www.computera...ding-statement/

that is what I meant earlier but I didnt find the link then

hold the line everybody

[MegumiAzusa]

JTP117 wrote...

kyg_20X6 wrote...

JTP117 wrote...

Angmir wrote...

I just want to say - Indoctrination/halusination theory was eighter planed from the start of does not apply. I dont belive they would gather the whole crew agian to make the final endign now, it is all eighter allready prepared in 75% at least of it will never come.

Durring last aday I thought so much about that I watched those endigns over and over so I now am 100% sure that current ending was ment to be illusion at the very least.
So it eighter be a start to a true ending (and tere is no better prove than Shepard is Alive rubble scene) eighter it has been converted into to actual ending at some point by cutting the founds
Which seems unlikely too - they would not cut the founds on the ending of the series - they woudl cut some other content first, plus i can imagine they would have Endings ready long before finishing the game, evry writer writes the ending first in their final episode.

Even if they did have to bring the cast back, why would that be so hard? "Hey guys, we need you to come back and talk into this mic while we pay you, hope that's okay" lol, sounds like a sweet job to me, and who would turn down more money?

Doubt it would require "hours" of additional dialogue, either.

"Hey Shepard, we need you to say 'I should go' a few more times then we can wrap this up" lol

*shep gasping in the rubble* *aching* I... should go.

[AdmiralsJack]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

JTP117 wrote...

kyg_20X6 wrote...

JTP117 wrote...

Angmir wrote...

I just want to say - Indoctrination/halusination theory was eighter planed from the start of does not apply. I dont belive they would gather the whole crew agian to make the final endign now, it is all eighter allready prepared in 75% at least of it will never come.

Durring last aday I thought so much about that I watched those endigns over and over so I now am 100% sure that current ending was ment to be illusion at the very least.
So it eighter be a start to a true ending (and tere is no better prove than Shepard is Alive rubble scene) eighter it has been converted into to actual ending at some point by cutting the founds
Which seems unlikely too - they would not cut the founds on the ending of the series - they woudl cut some other content first, plus i can imagine they would have Endings ready long before finishing the game, evry writer writes the ending first in their final episode.

Even if they did have to bring the cast back, why would that be so hard? "Hey guys, we need you to come back and talk into this mic while we pay you, hope that's okay" lol, sounds like a sweet job to me, and who would turn down more money?

Doubt it would require "hours" of additional dialogue, either.

"Hey Shepard, we need you to say 'I should go' a few more times then we can wrap this up" lol

*shep gasping in the rubble* *aching* I... should go.

LOL

[Dwailing]

 I just had a thought.  The "tone" of the ME3 ending kind of reminds me of the sequence in Dead Space 2 after the needle machine is used.  And does the star-brat remind anyone else of Nicole at the end, how she starts being all buddy, buddy but then screws you over?  Dead Space is also an EA franchise, and a couple of the husks remind me a little of the Necromorphs.  Maybe Bioware took some inspiration there.  Just putting it out for consideration.

Edit: It just came to me that indoctrination reminds me a little of the way the Marker works.  The halucinations in particular.

Modifié par Dwailing, 19 mars 2012 - 08:59 .

[Ghrelt]

I mentioned this hundreds of pages ago, but the ending music for ME1 and 2 is not the same as the ending music for ME3. It's like a subtle psychological marker letting you know that it's not over yet. (At least that's how my brain took it.)

[Ms_Alison_Gunn]

Seriously, this theory is the only thing that makes the Mass Effect games re-playable for me. When I finished the game last week I couldn't even bring myself to play the first two again. But after reading this I can't wait to play through ME3 again to see everything you guys have been talking about! Hold the line!

[TheIronSky]

This is perhaps the most plausible theory I've read about yet, but it makes me wonder; how will BioWare integrate single-player DLC, especially if they end up patching the ending, "Broken Steel" style? Will Shepard wake up at the foot of the beam and continue the fight, perhaps in a more triumphant manner, maybe even getting some medi-gel or medical attention? Or will he awaken after several days, with the fight still occurring? I suppose it's mere speculation at this point and whatever BioWare has planned they've got their own writers working to craft us a story, but it's interesting.

Anyway, BioWare's intention was to get everyone talking, and it seems they have. I don't even care about the ending at this point, especially considering how well written the rest of the series has been, and how all of the main characters have progressed to this point. "It's the Journey, not the Destination..." Goddamn I wish I didn't have to use that crappy cliche, but it seems to apply here fairly well. Stilll...


GOTY 2012?


Oh, and I hope that this "YOU HAVE 3 CHOICES" ending bull**** stops here. It's the same crap they pulled in Deus Ex: HR and it is not nearly as gratifying as a final boss would be. (See: Mass Effect 2 - that ending was SOLID)

Modifié par TheIronSky, 19 mars 2012 - 09:05 .

[Raze4573]

I just finished ME3, Chose destroy ending, fun fact...my Paragon score was maxed out but I couldnt select the last Paragon line when dealing with TIM.
Had to tell him one of the regular non colored lines and then Renegade (rather important) interrupt him to save Anderson.
Saving Anderson was a Renegade/Bad thing? I think not. +1 for indoc theory
Anderson talks directly to the player, he is Shepards conscience. +1 for indoc theory
When TIM talks it shows all three of them, that looks like he is trying to kill Shepards conscience and control Shep himself, *points at the oily tentacles and weird sounds* +1 for indoc theory
Starchild. +999 for indoc theory, just because thats utterly lame BW
Citadel tunnel layout is out of sync with anything, it uses shapes and looks familiar to Shepard to make him easier to control. +1 for indoc theory
TIM knowing how the Crucible works but no other race in 37 million+ years couldnt figure it out...riiiiight +5 for indoc theory
Starchilds badly written dialogue, we, us, they, dude get a grip, are you a Reaper, Windows 2158 or Harbingers party costume? +5 for indoc theory
Starchild says that Shepard is the FIRST organic ever to reach the Citadel hidden level. Ahem...
Who the hell built it then? Was the Starchild a synthetic?
If yes then why bother with saving organics by killing them with even more synthetics? +green space magic for indoc theory
Shepard shoots Anderson at ANDERSONS right side but I clearly saw a splash of blood from Andersons left side.
And then Shepard holds his/her right side. The hell? Mirror mirror on the wall, who has a crazy hallucination? +10 for indoc theory
Hmm what else...
Oh yes, Destroy ending destroys the Citadel and Mass Relays...why exactly?
And why is the Normandy being damaged while everything on Earth and in space (notice that starships were unharmed) remains intact? +50 for indoc theory
The crash site, its a paradise planet clearly meant to sustain human life. Harbinger is shoving a last attempt to turn Shepard into bliss.
But he fails because Shepard wakes up. On Earth. In London. +100 for indoc theory
Also, the N7 tags are there to make us sure its Shepard instead a random soldier.

[JTP117]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

JTP117 wrote...

kyg_20X6 wrote...

JTP117 wrote...

Angmir wrote...

I just want to say - Indoctrination/halusination theory was eighter planed from the start of does not apply. I dont belive they would gather the whole crew agian to make the final endign now, it is all eighter allready prepared in 75% at least of it will never come.

Durring last aday I thought so much about that I watched those endigns over and over so I now am 100% sure that current ending was ment to be illusion at the very least.
So it eighter be a start to a true ending (and tere is no better prove than Shepard is Alive rubble scene) eighter it has been converted into to actual ending at some point by cutting the founds
Which seems unlikely too - they would not cut the founds on the ending of the series - they woudl cut some other content first, plus i can imagine they would have Endings ready long before finishing the game, evry writer writes the ending first in their final episode.

Even if they did have to bring the cast back, why would that be so hard? "Hey guys, we need you to come back and talk into this mic while we pay you, hope that's okay" lol, sounds like a sweet job to me, and who would turn down more money?

Doubt it would require "hours" of additional dialogue, either.

"Hey Shepard, we need you to say 'I should go' a few more times then we can wrap this up" lol

*shep gasping in the rubble* *aching* I... should go.

I lol'd pretty hard. Good one

[Dap Brannigan]

I'm curious -- I remember seeing somewhere on these boards that in the scene where the Illusive Man makes you shoot Anderson, his fist glowed red.

In my playthrough, his fist glowed blue, like a biotic power. Can anyone confirm that in their game it was red?

[Sammuthegreat]

Dap Brannigan wrote...

I'm curious -- I remember seeing somewhere on these boards that in the scene where the Illusive Man makes you shoot Anderson, his fist glowed red.

In my playthrough, his fist glowed blue, like a biotic power. Can anyone confirm that in their game it was red?

Definitely blue on mine.

[DavidMW]

One of many things that makes the indoc theory seem correct is the whole Reaper pawn nonsense.Through-out the entire series the Reapers have always viewed themselves as superior to organics.

"we are superior, they are vermin" - Harbinger

I always felt that the Reapers wanted to destroy organics due to hatred for them. Thats why they use horific tactics. Turning our dead against us, melting us alive ect. Then they use our genetic material to reproduce their own kind, they dont care about us or our future. They just need our material to make thier "babies".

Then we get this whole: "They are my pawns, I use them as tools just as they use organics as tools. I made them to protect organics, we are helping you evolve"

WTF!

[JTP117]

Dap Brannigan wrote...

I'm curious -- I remember seeing somewhere on these boards that in the scene where the Illusive Man makes you shoot Anderson, his fist glowed red.

In my playthrough, his fist glowed blue, like a biotic power. Can anyone confirm that in their game it was red?

Mine almost looked purple. I thought that was curious. Might be blue and my screen just needs adjusting lol

[Earthborn_Shepard]

The thing that bothered me most that the kid was all like "HURR DUR organics and synthetics can't be friends" and Shepard was like ".......oh. OKAY" when he had just successfully united Geth and Quarians a few hours ago.

[Captain_Brian]

Anyone care to contribute to the "Indoctrination Theory - How Would The Game End Afterwards?" thread?

I need input and criticisms from people, but I'm just not getting much...

[Kyp]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

The thing that bothered me most that the kid was all like "HURR DUR organics and synthetics can't be friends" and Shepard was like ".......oh. OKAY" when he had just successfully united Geth and Quarians a few hours ago.

That is the absolute worst part of the ending.  I might even be able to accept everything else but that and the arbitrary destruction of the Mass Relays.

[Demarco09]

 First off, I am sorry if someone has asked this before (probably like 100 times). Filtering through this thread would last all night *sigh.  

I have a question! And am hoping someone maybe can shed some light on it?

I know that people keep saying Shep at the end of the destroy ending, he breathes.  Why does everyone think shep is in London? How come it isn't the Citadel?  I know the rubble bit, but has anyone really looked into it?  I saw the Citadel and can't it be possible that it is the Citadel?  Meh, I know its not important...but its freaking annoying to think about.

I'll end up doing it myself here in a few days I am sure, cause this is eating away at me.  I know it really isn't a big deal, but I HATE having a nagging question in my head.

And thank you in advance 



Hold the Line!

[JTP117]

Demarco09 wrote...

 First off, I am sorry if someone has asked this before (probably like 100 times). Filtering through this thread would last all night *sigh.  

I have a question! And am hoping someone maybe can shed some light on it?

I know that people keep saying Shep at the end of the destroy ending, he breathes.  Why does everyone think shep is in London? How come it isn't the Citadel?  I know the rubble bit, but has anyone really looked into it?  I saw the Citadel and can't it be possible that it is the Citadel?  Meh, I know its not important...but its freaking annoying to think about.

I'll end up doing it myself here in a few days I am sure, cause this is eating away at me.  I know it really isn't a big deal, but I HATE having a nagging question in my head.

And thank you in advance 



Hold the Line!

It's a good question. here are out findings:
.The rubble was all stone, the citadel was metal
.the explosion on the citadel was large enough that it would have incinerated shepard
.there are london buildings in the background
.The citadel was completely blown apart, specifically starting where Shep was standing
.There is no way he could have survived the fall, whether riding the wrekage to the bottom or not.

Hope this helps

[Demarco09]

JTP117 wrote...

Demarco09 wrote...

 First off, I am sorry if someone has asked this before (probably like 100 times). Filtering through this thread would last all night *sigh.  

I have a question! And am hoping someone maybe can shed some light on it?

I know that people keep saying Shep at the end of the destroy ending, he breathes.  Why does everyone think shep is in London? How come it isn't the Citadel?  I know the rubble bit, but has anyone really looked into it?  I saw the Citadel and can't it be possible that it is the Citadel?  Meh, I know its not important...but its freaking annoying to think about.

I'll end up doing it myself here in a few days I am sure, cause this is eating away at me.  I know it really isn't a big deal, but I HATE having a nagging question in my head.

And thank you in advance 



Hold the Line!

It's a good question. here are out findings:
.The rubble was all stone, the citadel was metal
.the explosion on the citadel was large enough that it would have incinerated shepard
.there are london buildings in the background
.The citadel was completely blown apart, specifically starting where Shep was standing
.There is no way he could have survived the fall, whether riding the wrekage to the bottom or not.

Hope this helps

JT thank you very much.  And this is why I love BSN folks  

[Sammuthegreat]

Demarco09 wrote...

 First off, I am sorry if someone has asked this before (probably like 100 times). Filtering through this thread would last all night *sigh.  

I have a question! And am hoping someone maybe can shed some light on it?

I know that people keep saying Shep at the end of the destroy ending, he breathes.  Why does everyone think shep is in London? How come it isn't the Citadel?  I know the rubble bit, but has anyone really looked into it?  I saw the Citadel and can't it be possible that it is the Citadel?  Meh, I know its not important...but its freaking annoying to think about.

I'll end up doing it myself here in a few days I am sure, cause this is eating away at me.  I know it really isn't a big deal, but I HATE having a nagging question in my head.

And thank you in advance 



Hold the Line!

It certainly is important, it'd be a serious blow to the veracity of the Indoc Theory if the breathing scene turned out to be on the Citadel.

I think the main reason people think it's London is because the rubble seems to be made of concrete, like the streets of London, whereas the Citadel appears to be built from some sort of metal/fibreglass type compound. Plus there appear to be chunks of metal rebar sticking out of the blocks of rubble, which is a common method of fortifying concrete in construction.

Plus, of course, it can't logically be the Citadel, because the Citadel blows up in the ending video. That's kinda one of the main strings to Indoc Theory's bow - Shep can't have woken up on the Citadel, because the Citadel just blew up. So if he woke up in London, then he can't possibly have ever been to the Citadel in the first place, because there's no way he could have survived A) the explosion of a space station; and the fall from space, re-entry and all, back to the ground.

EDIT: NINJA'D!

Modifié par Sammuthegreat, 19 mars 2012 - 09:29 .

[Hepzi3]

Just going to throw this out there, I subscribe to the "Indoctrination Theory" to an extent (from a longtime Bioware fourms person, ive been here since ME came out.)

The difference I see is that Shepard dies when Harbinger hits him with the Laser, his friends try to revive him during this time and eventually succeed. By this time, Ashley or Garrus have went and destroyed the Reapers,either making themselves to be heros.

(I dont care if this doesnt make sense, it works for me.)

And im going to be joining the line hoping for a new ending.

[estebanus]

Sammuthegreat wrote...

Demarco09 wrote...

 First off, I am sorry if someone has asked this before (probably like 100 times). Filtering through this thread would last all night *sigh.  

I have a question! And am hoping someone maybe can shed some light on it?

I know that people keep saying Shep at the end of the destroy ending, he breathes.  Why does everyone think shep is in London? How come it isn't the Citadel?  I know the rubble bit, but has anyone really looked into it?  I saw the Citadel and can't it be possible that it is the Citadel?  Meh, I know its not important...but its freaking annoying to think about.

I'll end up doing it myself here in a few days I am sure, cause this is eating away at me.  I know it really isn't a big deal, but I HATE having a nagging question in my head.

And thank you in advance 



Hold the Line!

It certainly is important, it'd be a serious blow to the veracity of the Indoc Theory if the breathing scene turned out to be on the Citadel.

I think the main reason people think it's London is because the rubble seems to be made of concrete, like the streets of London, whereas the Citadel appears to be built from some sort of metal/fibreglass type compound. Plus there appear to be chunks of metal rebar sticking out of the blocks of rubble, which is a common method of fortifying concrete in construction.

Plus, of course, it can't logically be the Citadel, because the Citadel blows up in the ending video. That's kinda one of the main strings to Indoc Theory's bow - Shep can't have woken up on the Citadel, because the Citadel just blew up. So if he woke up in London, then he can't possibly have ever been to the Citadel in the first place, because there's no way he could have survived A) the explosion of a space station; and the fall from space, re-entry and all, back to the ground.

EDIT: NINJA'D!

This would also mean, that Shepard couldn't possibly survive on the citadel, since all the oxygen would flow out, followed by the gravity of course, since the mass effect fields would go offline to.

Modifié par estebanus, 19 mars 2012 - 09:35 .

[FrostByte-GER]

Ahh dammit this song..LP 4 ever credits + this song -> thinking about the whole ME Universe. What happened to all my teammates, to the earth and Anderson? **** BioWare, give us an goddamn answer!

[ba0987]

Hi all,

Just a few questions about this theory and some things that may have not been asked.

1) In the CE Music there are 2 extra songs. One is called Betrayal, the other is called Creation links to both are here

Betrayal
Creation

Anyone notice where they are played in game?

2) I noticed these (let me know you cannot access them)

The first shows, what I think is the original BroShep in game model with the words "John call soon"
The second shows the scary god kid of all space magic looking directly at you in a very scary way (i actually am a little scared of that expression) directly at you saying "last seen on earth. "

I am wondering if people had a non default name (not "John") if the words on the first poster changes? If so then it could be a message directly to you...

Holding the line!