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[iusty]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

But then the Normandy crash was real.  Shepard's mind wouldn't be like "HA! I gotcha you little ****!".

Not sure about this. While the crash is bad, the crash is not the main point of the scene; the main point is that the companions survived the destruction of the relays, with (seemingly) no scratches at all.

Given that Shepard's mind at that moment believed in this destruction, it would hard to imagine that the Normady got out "clean"; the (not-so-bad) crash seems to me just a method to tie together the destruction of the relays and the survival of the companions.

And another point: given that Joker has bone-strength issues, I can't think of a hard landing (like that one seemed to be) in which he is the *first* to get out of the ship. As he mentions, he can get breaks simply by sneezing too hard. And given that it's a foreign/unkown planet, I'd expect the companions to get out in fighting mode, with weapons ready. Not all smiling and stuff.

[N7xELITE]

JTP117 wrote...

N7xELITE wrote...

Has someone noticed that the ship collection is missing one??????

I did, I can't find it anywhere

its wierd 

[ArkkAngel007]

JTP117 wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

JTP117 wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

JTP117 wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

JTP117 wrote...

Balteus wrote...

A quick question if you choose destroy do you see EDI on the paradise planet?

Yes, she has been seen several times by several people

In destroy?  Can I get a link please?  This is news to me.

It was earlier in this thread that we were talking about it, back in the 600's. I have no idea how far back tho lol sorry, let me see if I can find something

Basically the initial reasoning is that her body was the only synthetic thing about her, the bulk of what she was was on the normandy, and shepard, being held together by synthetics ala project lazarus, survived when it should have killed him too. Basically from people seeing EDI and the scene where shep is breathing kinda confirms that the godchild was bluffing

But then the Normandy crash was real.  Shepard's mind wouldn't be like "HA! I gotcha you little ****!".

So then the ending really happened with that train of thought.

Like I said before, everything from shepard getting hit by the laser to him waking up in rubbe is a halucination. He is dreaming so to speak, of how the choice he made would affect the galaxy. Which explains the squadmate/joker teleport plothole, dreams are almost never linear, they jump around a lot. It's just his mind making sense of the supposed "decision" he just made.

Yet the theory is based on that these images are all based on past experiences, through events or dialogue, in Shepard's life with the suggestions of Harbringer to supplement them.

So then why would EDI survive in the Destroy ending if Shepard is told all synthetics would be destroyed?  Regardless of how you feel EDI is connected to the Core bot, she is still a synthetic being wherever she is installed/present.  She would be destroyed.

I'm sorry, but it's starting to stretch a bit too much.  Are we sure that this is a full destroy ending and not somone editing a video to make it look like she lives?

I apologize if this is all redundant.  I've been out for 2+ days for the most part.

If all synthetic tech was destroyed shepard would be waaaay past dead as half his body is now synthetic repairs from project lazarus, yet he survives the destroy ending. You can't focus on one little detail at a time or you don't see the whole picture, this whole theory is interconnected.

Yet that takes place after he wakes up.  I'm saying before he wakes up, when the Normandy is crashing on the jungle planet and the crew exits, which is the mind providing Shepard self-closure, EDI should not be alive due to everything being told/experienced before.  EDI shouldn't be present in that sense.

It's contradicting the reasoning why Shepard sees the jungle planet and everything.  That is what I want cleared up.  And I'm not going to ignore a detail in a theory I helped develop that doesn't fit with part of the established theory and is actually contradicting it.

[Either.Ardrey]

bkp360 wrote...

This is the worst kind of Fan fiction. It's like desperation fan fiction. But BioWare is likely desperate and thinking about how to salvage this and this crappy idea is as good as any other I guess.

Desperation fan fiction usually doesn't use this much basic logic to construct it's thesis. Plus, there's usually more actual fan fiction. This thread isn't really made to create our own fan stories, but to acknowledge that something is fundamentally "off" with the face value of the endings and trying to figure out why. Thus, it is more like a platform for fan-fiction, rather than fan fiction itself.

Besides, it seems that most people that come onto the thread spewing vague negative statements against the theory either begin to actually read the theory's basics and acknowlege the general solidity of the theory, or they just up and leave because they believe this thread is a waste of time, and thus worth prejudging without logical basis. Or they read up on the theory's basics, agree to disagree, and perhaps come back later when they've compiled reasons against it for IT to tackle. Which are you going to be? Red, Green or Blue? Regardless, you're decision means nothing because it'll all end the same: it's up to Bioware to completely validate or completely destroy this theory.

Though I definitely would have to agree that there are people at Bioware getting desperate about this whole thing, even if they intended IT all along.

[JTP117]

jackncoke28 wrote...

JTP117 wrote...

N7xELITE wrote...

Has someone noticed that the ship collection is missing one??????

I did, I can't find it anywhere

the kid was flying it in the beginning 

Cue inception music

[N7xELITE]

JTP117 wrote...

jackncoke28 wrote...

JTP117 wrote...

N7xELITE wrote...

Has someone noticed that the ship collection is missing one??????

I did, I can't find it anywhere

the kid was flying it in the beginning 

Cue inception music

LoL 

[ArkkAngel007]

Guys, I'm a huge IT supporter. You will notice that if you go way back. Just because I don't post for two days and am finding some of what is now being said to be questionable doesn't mean I'm against the theory.  I helped develop the idea with Byne and several others and have continued to do so.  Don't get too defensive against some questions in trying to understand how some of these ideas are being fit together now, as the EDI information is new to me.

Modifié par ArkkAngel007, 19 mars 2012 - 11:20 .

[jackncoke28]

jackncoke28 wrote...

Is the low ems choice of either destroy, or control, dependent on whether or not you destroy collector base?

[Earthborn_Shepard]

I think I've got it now...

..the automatic fishfeeder must be Reaper tech! They exploited Shep's greatest weakness!

[N7xELITE]

And who the hell goes around the Normandy and hides all my ships in the first place. ( maybe the Space hamster)

[keith123456789]

I just got news that in phoenix they were talking about me3 and that bioware told them they were releasing new endings as DLC can anyone else comfirm this. idk when though.

[SirLugash]

Runcowards wrote...

is it ever explained how TIM goes from controlling reaper troops and trying to control reapers to being able to control Shepard and Anderson at the end? because if not might be another thing you could chalk up to supporting this theory, if its already been brought up before i apologize, this thread is growing too fast for me to keep up with it

I'd say it wasn't TIM controlling you.
The Reapers controlled you through TIM (hearing reaper noise in background ?).
If the end is real: TIM is indoctrinated and forwards it to you basically (child says that he couldn't control the reapers because they already controlled him).
In IT terms: TIM was the representation of the Reapers trying to take control of you in that hallucination.

[JTP117]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

JTP117 wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

JTP117 wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

JTP117 wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

JTP117 wrote...

Balteus wrote...

A quick question if you choose destroy do you see EDI on the paradise planet?

Yes, she has been seen several times by several people

In destroy?  Can I get a link please?  This is news to me.

It was earlier in this thread that we were talking about it, back in the 600's. I have no idea how far back tho lol sorry, let me see if I can find something

Basically the initial reasoning is that her body was the only synthetic thing about her, the bulk of what she was was on the normandy, and shepard, being held together by synthetics ala project lazarus, survived when it should have killed him too. Basically from people seeing EDI and the scene where shep is breathing kinda confirms that the godchild was bluffing

But then the Normandy crash was real.  Shepard's mind wouldn't be like "HA! I gotcha you little ****!".

So then the ending really happened with that train of thought.

Like I said before, everything from shepard getting hit by the laser to him waking up in rubbe is a halucination. He is dreaming so to speak, of how the choice he made would affect the galaxy. Which explains the squadmate/joker teleport plothole, dreams are almost never linear, they jump around a lot. It's just his mind making sense of the supposed "decision" he just made.

Yet the theory is based on that these images are all based on past experiences, through events or dialogue, in Shepard's life with the suggestions of Harbringer to supplement them.

So then why would EDI survive in the Destroy ending if Shepard is told all synthetics would be destroyed?  Regardless of how you feel EDI is connected to the Core bot, she is still a synthetic being wherever she is installed/present.  She would be destroyed.

I'm sorry, but it's starting to stretch a bit too much.  Are we sure that this is a full destroy ending and not somone editing a video to make it look like she lives?

I apologize if this is all redundant.  I've been out for 2+ days for the most part.

If all synthetic tech was destroyed shepard would be waaaay past dead as half his body is now synthetic repairs from project lazarus, yet he survives the destroy ending. You can't focus on one little detail at a time or you don't see the whole picture, this whole theory is interconnected.

Yet that takes place after he wakes up.  I'm saying before he wakes up, when the Normandy is crashing on the jungle planet and the crew exits, which is the mind providing Shepard self-closure, EDI should not be alive due to everything being told/experienced before.  EDI shouldn't be present in that sense.

It's contradicting the reasoning why Shepard sees the jungle planet and everything.  That is what I want cleared up.  And I'm not going to ignore a detail in a theory I helped develop that doesn't fit with part of the established theory and is actually contradicting it.

You just said before he wakes up, insinuating that he was dreaming/halucinating/indoctrinated before that point. THAT is what explains it. He wakes up because it was not real. If it were and all the jungle planet crap did happen then he would still be dead because of all three options (control: he's incinerated Synthsis: he's incinerated Destroy: all synthetics destroyed=he's really dead). 

And you're absolutely right, she shouldnt be there, i don't debate that for a second, my analysis is that she was there (sometimes) to drop more hints to the players

Modifié par JTP117, 19 mars 2012 - 11:24 .

[N7xELITE]

N7xELITE wrote...

And who the hell goes around the Normandy and hides all my ships in the first place. ( maybe the Space hamster)

the space hamster is a reaper 

[keith123456789]

I just got news that in phoenix they were talking about me3 and that bioware told them they were releasing new endings as DLC can anyone else comfirm this. idk when though.

[N7xELITE]

keith123456789 wrote...

I just got news that in phoenix they were talking about me3 and that bioware told them they were releasing new endings as DLC can anyone else comfirm this. idk when though.

Intresting  but i can not confirm this 

Modifié par N7xELITE, 19 mars 2012 - 11:25 .

[lilOphelia]

N7xELITE wrote...

JTP117 wrote...

jackncoke28 wrote...

JTP117 wrote...

N7xELITE wrote...

Has someone noticed that the ship collection is missing one??????

I did, I can't find it anywhere

the kid was flying it in the beginning 

Cue inception music

LoL 

Which one is missing? I thought I found them all o.o;;;;

[JTP117]

keith123456789 wrote...

I just got news that in phoenix they were talking about me3 and that bioware told them they were releasing new endings as DLC can anyone else comfirm this. idk when though.

Like in a conference or something? Or a player/Bioware event?

[ArkkAngel007]

Vandicus wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

JTP117 wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

JTP117 wrote...


Well as far as the delusions, they aren't PTSD, they are the product of indoctrination. Read the codex entry in the game on it, it will explain a lot

By delusions you mean dreams?  I might have missed the delusions being mentioned in that post considering its length.  But the nightmares are real and the child's presence is due to PTSD.  That is mentioned in the script and Shepard/the crew allude to his/her state through dialogue and actions.

However, that doesn't mean that can't be a possible vector for the Reapers to take advantage of.

By delusions I am referring to the child itself. By this theory, which I am invested in entirely, the child is not real. It is a fabrication of reaper indoctrination, a symbol the reapers gave to shepards despair so as to get a tighter hold on him. Basically you are half right, shepard is having a lot of stress due to everyone dying, but the dreams themselves are just manipulations of that by the reapers, they are using the child as an avatar to sway shepard to their way of thinking (indoctrination). notice that no one else in the game ever sees or hears that child at all. The original post talks more about it, I suggest reading that.

I did.  I'm not 100% convinced the child is entirely a fabrication, nor do I think it is vital to the theory, as even having the child be real and die would affect Shepard IMO in the same way.

But yes, I am familiar with why the Reapers utilize the image of the child.  I think I was posting here before quite a few of you^_^.

I'm just making sure things aren't getting stretched out.

The kid is believed to be real when he's running back the window with the Normandy toy. Things start to get weird when he teleports and there's the failed indoctrination reaper growling when you next see the kid in the vent(which has a warning sign attached to it for no reason). When you see him again, the game intentionally posts a caution sign and then a danger sign next to him, again for no apparent reason. Its not necessary for the kid to be fake, but it does explain a lot of the symbology and heavy foreshadowing such as in the dreams.

Personally I felt that the sign next to the ventilation was foreshadowing, not a right then and there warning.  It's also possible that the kid could have lived, as the ventilation there was intact.

But that's my perspective.  I find it weird that Anderson didn't take note what Shepard was doing, but that bit we just don't have a solid foundation to say, nope, he's not real then.  And the dreams begin as PTSD, even including the burning child part.  It's the third dream, and again, my opinion, that it changes.

But I agree, the symbology and foreshadowing seems legit to what the ending may be.

[N7xELITE]

lilOphelia wrote...

N7xELITE wrote...

JTP117 wrote...

jackncoke28 wrote...

JTP117 wrote...

N7xELITE wrote...

Has someone noticed that the ship collection is missing one??????

I did, I can't find it anywhere

the kid was flying it in the beginning 

Cue inception music

LoL 

Which one is missing? I thought I found them all o.o;;;;

it should be in the top left corner or something

[blueboxblues]

ba0987 wrote...

Hi all,

Just a few questions about this theory and some things that may have not been asked.

1) In the CE Music there are 2 extra songs. One is called Betrayal, the other is called Creation links to both are here

Betrayal
Creation

Anyone notice where they are played in game?

2) I noticed these (let me know you cannot access them)

The first shows, what I think is the original BroShep in game model with the words "John call soon"
The second shows the scary god kid of all space magic looking directly at you in a very scary way (i actually am a little scared of that expression) directly at you saying "last seen on earth. "

I am wondering if people had a non default name (not "John") if the words on the first poster changes? If so then it could be a message directly to you...

Holding the line!

I haven't been able to figure out where Betrayal is from at all. It's got to be from some situation that never happened in my game?...

[N7xELITE]

Shepard= Why the hell would you try to kill me
Bioware= +1000 renegade

[Vandicus]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Vandicus wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

JTP117 wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

JTP117 wrote...


Well as far as the delusions, they aren't PTSD, they are the product of indoctrination. Read the codex entry in the game on it, it will explain a lot

By delusions you mean dreams?  I might have missed the delusions being mentioned in that post considering its length.  But the nightmares are real and the child's presence is due to PTSD.  That is mentioned in the script and Shepard/the crew allude to his/her state through dialogue and actions.

However, that doesn't mean that can't be a possible vector for the Reapers to take advantage of.

By delusions I am referring to the child itself. By this theory, which I am invested in entirely, the child is not real. It is a fabrication of reaper indoctrination, a symbol the reapers gave to shepards despair so as to get a tighter hold on him. Basically you are half right, shepard is having a lot of stress due to everyone dying, but the dreams themselves are just manipulations of that by the reapers, they are using the child as an avatar to sway shepard to their way of thinking (indoctrination). notice that no one else in the game ever sees or hears that child at all. The original post talks more about it, I suggest reading that.

I did.  I'm not 100% convinced the child is entirely a fabrication, nor do I think it is vital to the theory, as even having the child be real and die would affect Shepard IMO in the same way.

But yes, I am familiar with why the Reapers utilize the image of the child.  I think I was posting here before quite a few of you^_^.

I'm just making sure things aren't getting stretched out.

The kid is believed to be real when he's running back the window with the Normandy toy. Things start to get weird when he teleports and there's the failed indoctrination reaper growling when you next see the kid in the vent(which has a warning sign attached to it for no reason). When you see him again, the game intentionally posts a caution sign and then a danger sign next to him, again for no apparent reason. Its not necessary for the kid to be fake, but it does explain a lot of the symbology and heavy foreshadowing such as in the dreams.

Personally I felt that the sign next to the ventilation was foreshadowing, not a right then and there warning.  It's also possible that the kid could have lived, as the ventilation there was intact.

But that's my perspective.  I find it weird that Anderson didn't take note what Shepard was doing, but that bit we just don't have a solid foundation to say, nope, he's not real then.  And the dreams begin as PTSD, even including the burning child part.  It's the third dream, and again, my opinion, that it changes.

But I agree, the symbology and foreshadowing seems legit to what the ending may be.

As I said, we just aren't sure about the kid, besides the fact that he acts downright odd as do the people around him(No one helps him get on the shuttle, they help the grown adult but not the little kid? great guys those marines). 

 

13:40 There is the place most people notice, when Shepard turns around and there's a weird growling noise. The growling there sounds like the growling when TIM is supposedly attempting indoctrination.

[JTP117]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Vandicus wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

JTP117 wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

JTP117 wrote...


Well as far as the delusions, they aren't PTSD, they are the product of indoctrination. Read the codex entry in the game on it, it will explain a lot

By delusions you mean dreams?  I might have missed the delusions being mentioned in that post considering its length.  But the nightmares are real and the child's presence is due to PTSD.  That is mentioned in the script and Shepard/the crew allude to his/her state through dialogue and actions.

However, that doesn't mean that can't be a possible vector for the Reapers to take advantage of.

By delusions I am referring to the child itself. By this theory, which I am invested in entirely, the child is not real. It is a fabrication of reaper indoctrination, a symbol the reapers gave to shepards despair so as to get a tighter hold on him. Basically you are half right, shepard is having a lot of stress due to everyone dying, but the dreams themselves are just manipulations of that by the reapers, they are using the child as an avatar to sway shepard to their way of thinking (indoctrination). notice that no one else in the game ever sees or hears that child at all. The original post talks more about it, I suggest reading that.

I did.  I'm not 100% convinced the child is entirely a fabrication, nor do I think it is vital to the theory, as even having the child be real and die would affect Shepard IMO in the same way.

But yes, I am familiar with why the Reapers utilize the image of the child.  I think I was posting here before quite a few of you^_^.

I'm just making sure things aren't getting stretched out.

The kid is believed to be real when he's running back the window with the Normandy toy. Things start to get weird when he teleports and there's the failed indoctrination reaper growling when you next see the kid in the vent(which has a warning sign attached to it for no reason). When you see him again, the game intentionally posts a caution sign and then a danger sign next to him, again for no apparent reason. Its not necessary for the kid to be fake, but it does explain a lot of the symbology and heavy foreshadowing such as in the dreams.

Personally I felt that the sign next to the ventilation was foreshadowing, not a right then and there warning.  It's also possible that the kid could have lived, as the ventilation there was intact.

But that's my perspective.  I find it weird that Anderson didn't take note what Shepard was doing, but that bit we just don't have a solid foundation to say, nope, he's not real then.  And the dreams begin as PTSD, even including the burning child part.  It's the third dream, and again, my opinion, that it changes.

But I agree, the symbology and foreshadowing seems legit to what the ending may be.

Personally I never even saw the warning on the vent until my second playthrough (and you guys pointing it out) lol. All I noticed is that Anderson and Shepard were running for about 3 blocks or so in the opposite direction of when you first see the kid and he somehow beats you there and gets through a locked door on his own, then survives the room exploding, then no one helping him into the transport. It's not the interraction that tipped me off, rather it's the lackthereof. If you see where I'm going with that