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[keith123456789]

JTP117 wrote...

keith123456789 wrote...

I just got news that in phoenix they were talking about me3 and that bioware told them they were releasing new endings as DLC can anyone else comfirm this. idk when though.

Like in a conference or something? Or a player/Bioware event?

They said because 85-90% hated the ending. idk if this is true my dad told me but in either case we must not let this glimmer of hope make us let out gaurd down we need to keep holding the line.

[lilOphelia]

N7xELITE wrote...

lilOphelia wrote...

N7xELITE wrote...

JTP117 wrote...

jackncoke28 wrote...

JTP117 wrote...

N7xELITE wrote...

Has someone noticed that the ship collection is missing one??????

I did, I can't find it anywhere

the kid was flying it in the beginning 

Cue inception music

LoL 

Which one is missing? I thought I found them all o.o;;;;

it should be in the top left corner or something

I have them all lol Took forever to find them, though. They are hidden really well, mostly in the Shuttle Bay.

[jakal66]

npoqrhgcnpouheprouhncpo wrote...

My friends the only Ending is the OLD MAN telling US children to BUY DLC if we want to play more Adventures of THE Shepard, from before he/she died selecting his/her favorite Color Choice.
THE END

The only Hallucination is the acid trip Bioware developers had when they wrote this ending.

see these kind of posts are useless man

[crimsontotem]

keith123456789 wrote...

JTP117 wrote...

keith123456789 wrote...

I just got news that in phoenix they were talking about me3 and that bioware told them they were releasing new endings as DLC can anyone else comfirm this. idk when though.

Like in a conference or something? Or a player/Bioware event?

They said because 85-90% hated the ending. idk if this is true my dad told me but in either case we must not let this glimmer of hope make us let out gaurd down we need to keep holding the line.

your dad is a source? 

[keith123456789]

crimsontotem wrote...

keith123456789 wrote...

JTP117 wrote...

keith123456789 wrote...

I just got news that in phoenix they were talking about me3 and that bioware told them they were releasing new endings as DLC can anyone else comfirm this. idk when though.

Like in a conference or something? Or a player/Bioware event?

They said because 85-90% hated the ending. idk if this is true my dad told me but in either case we must not let this glimmer of hope make us let out gaurd down we need to keep holding the line.

your dad is a source? 

He's As big a fan as any of us here

[N7xELITE]

Maybe the child was his imagination, maybe the child was never there on earth. Nobody else seems to notice him????

[N7xELITE]

lilOphelia wrote...

N7xELITE wrote...

lilOphelia wrote...

N7xELITE wrote...

JTP117 wrote...

jackncoke28 wrote...

JTP117 wrote...

N7xELITE wrote...

Has someone noticed that the ship collection is missing one??????

I did, I can't find it anywhere

the kid was flying it in the beginning 

Cue inception music

LoL 

Which one is missing? I thought I found them all o.o;;;;

it should be in the top left corner or something

I have them all lol Took forever to find them, though. They are hidden really well, mostly in the Shuttle Bay.

i will have to look for the last one 

[ArkkAngel007]

JTP117 wrote...

You just said before he wakes up, insinuating that he was dreaming/halucinating/indoctrinated before that point. THAT is what explains it. He wakes up because it was not real. If it were and all the jungle planet crap did happen then he would still be dead because of all three options (control: he's incinerated Synthsis: he's incinerated Destroy: all synthetics destroyed=he's really dead). 

And you're absolutely right, she shouldnt be there, i don't debate that for a second, my analysis is that she was there (sometimes) to drop more hints to the players

I don't think you're still understanding.

The core to IT is that everything that happens when Shepard is unconscious is visualized and occurs through past experiences of Shepard.  This includes events, places, and dialogue.  Everything that happens supports this statement, aside from the appearance of the Guardian, who we "know" is Harbringer's avatar projection utilizing a part of Shepard's subconscious to convince Shepard to make the choice he wants Shepard to.

Now, once that choice is made, Shepard's mind creates images based on the same concept to not only bring closure to his actions regarding the war, but also the fate of his squad mates.  In that sense, and that every destroy ending I've witnessed thus far ends similarly, that EDI would not be witnessed to have survived, because Shepard's experience with the Guardian would make it clear that EDI would not survive, nor would Shepard.

However, Shepard wakes up once he breaks through the indoctrination through that choice.  However, that doesn't change what is mind would present before he woke up.

My view on it, as I haven't seen the video yet I can only guess, but the only reason EDI appeared is because someone brought her along as a squad mate during the run.  She shouldn't appear, but a glitch circumvents this.  But that is my opinion, and it fits what has been established with how Shepard's mind operates throughout this event.

[Abdul_777]

blueboxblues wrote...

ba0987 wrote...

Hi all,

Just a few questions about this theory and some things that may have not been asked.

1) In the CE Music there are 2 extra songs. One is called Betrayal, the other is called Creation links to both are here

Betrayal
Creation

Anyone notice where they are played in game?

2) I noticed these (let me know you cannot access them)

The first shows, what I think is the original BroShep in game model with the words "John call soon"
The second shows the scary god kid of all space magic looking directly at you in a very scary way (i actually am a little scared of that expression) directly at you saying "last seen on earth. "

I am wondering if people had a non default name (not "John") if the words on the first poster changes? If so then it could be a message directly to you...

Holding the line!

I haven't been able to figure out where Betrayal is from at all. It's got to be from some situation that never happened in my game?...

Betrayal is heard when you kill Mordin yourself afaik,the other one is from character creation.

[MassEffectFan11]

N7xELITE wrote...

Maybe the child was his imagination, maybe the child was never there on earth. Nobody else seems to notice him????

I noticed that too, nobody but Shepard pays attention. And when you see the kid in the vent, a Reaper just happens to be walking by. And right before the kid gets blown up, he looks right at Shepard.

[JTP117]

N7xELITE wrote...

lilOphelia wrote...

N7xELITE wrote...

lilOphelia wrote...

N7xELITE wrote...

JTP117 wrote...

jackncoke28 wrote...

JTP117 wrote...

N7xELITE wrote...

Has someone noticed that the ship collection is missing one??????

I did, I can't find it anywhere

the kid was flying it in the beginning 

Cue inception music

LoL 

Which one is missing? I thought I found them all o.o;;;;

it should be in the top left corner or something

I have them all lol Took forever to find them, though. They are hidden really well, mostly in the Shuttle Bay.

i will have to look for the last one 

I forgot to check the shuttle bay. whoops

[ArkkAngel007]

blueboxblues wrote...

ba0987 wrote...

Hi all,

Just a few questions about this theory and some things that may have not been asked.

1) In the CE Music there are 2 extra songs. One is called Betrayal, the other is called Creation links to both are here

Betrayal
Creation

Anyone notice where they are played in game?

2) I noticed these (let me know you cannot access them)

The first shows, what I think is the original BroShep in game model with the words "John call soon"
The second shows the scary god kid of all space magic looking directly at you in a very scary way (i actually am a little scared of that expression) directly at you saying "last seen on earth. "

I am wondering if people had a non default name (not "John") if the words on the first poster changes? If so then it could be a message directly to you...

Holding the line!

I haven't been able to figure out where Betrayal is from at all. It's got to be from some situation that never happened in my game?...

Wasn't Betrayal from the DLC when viewing the Prothean memories?  I may have to go back and check on my next playthrough (just passed it 3 missions ago last week).

[N7xELITE]

 Maybe the child was his imagination, maybe the child was never there on earth. Nobody else seems to notice him????    

[JTP117]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

JTP117 wrote...

You just said before he wakes up, insinuating that he was dreaming/halucinating/indoctrinated before that point. THAT is what explains it. He wakes up because it was not real. If it were and all the jungle planet crap did happen then he would still be dead because of all three options (control: he's incinerated Synthsis: he's incinerated Destroy: all synthetics destroyed=he's really dead). 

And you're absolutely right, she shouldnt be there, i don't debate that for a second, my analysis is that she was there (sometimes) to drop more hints to the players

I don't think you're still understanding.

The core to IT is that everything that happens when Shepard is unconscious is visualized and occurs through past experiences of Shepard.  This includes events, places, and dialogue.  Everything that happens supports this statement, aside from the appearance of the Guardian, who we "know" is Harbringer's avatar projection utilizing a part of Shepard's subconscious to convince Shepard to make the choice he wants Shepard to.

Now, once that choice is made, Shepard's mind creates images based on the same concept to not only bring closure to his actions regarding the war, but also the fate of his squad mates.  In that sense, and that every destroy ending I've witnessed thus far ends similarly, that EDI would not be witnessed to have survived, because Shepard's experience with the Guardian would make it clear that EDI would not survive, nor would Shepard.

However, Shepard wakes up once he breaks through the indoctrination through that choice.  However, that doesn't change what is mind would present before he woke up.

My view on it, as I haven't seen the video yet I can only guess, but the only reason EDI appeared is because someone brought her along as a squad mate during the run.  She shouldn't appear, but a glitch circumvents this.  But that is my opinion, and it fits what has been established with how Shepard's mind operates throughout this event.

ooooookay lol, NOW I see what you're getting at. I agree with you, sorry for the missunderstanding. It was my belief that she survived to be a hint, though it could simply be a glitch as you said.

[theflyingfrogfish]

I have a few points and a question in support of the theory:

1. There's no reason for the moving plates in the citadel to be there. As seen on the Shadow Broker's ship, they exist to transfer static electricity from the outside of the ship to the inside for use as power. The citadel isn't charged, so the plates are pointless. This supports the theory that they are simply what Shepard's subconscious summoned up when Anderson mentioned moving panels, as the closest thing he'd encountered.

2. Even ignoring sightings of EDI alive and well after the Destroy ending, there's no way the Normandy would survive a crash landing without her still around. The game makes a point of telling us in one of the overheard conversations in engineering that EDI IS the ship - you can't separate one from the other. Added to this, before EDI was unshackled, the Normandy required a full crew to fly anywhere. Clearly not all the stations are manned in ME3, so without EDI helping it's going nowhere fast.

3. There is no reason for the beam to take Shepard to the place it does. If the beam is used to take humans to the citadel for processing, why does it take them to the super-secret control room? And why are there loads of dead bodies around, when dead bodies can't be used to make husks? And why is there nothing there to facilitate this processing?

4. Why does the super-secret control room have the function to open the citadel, and apparently (judging from the look of the console) pretty much nothing else?



The question:

Given how the choice area looks so similar to the area around the beam, it is at least possible that Shepard is stumbling around the area while hallucinating. Is there anything in the area around the beam that correspond to the positions of the Destroy and Control choices? Clearly the Combine option correlates to stepping into the beam, which allows the reaper forces on the citadel to convert him into a husk/finish the indoctrination, which matches with the idea of fusing organics and synthetics.

[ChristopherShepard]

N7xELITE wrote...

 Maybe the child was his imagination, maybe the child was never there on earth. Nobody else seems to notice him????    

..yep, NOBODY noticed the child..

[Fingertrip]

blueboxblues wrote...

ba0987 wrote...

Hi all,

Just a few questions about this theory and some things that may have not been asked.

1) In the CE Music there are 2 extra songs. One is called Betrayal, the other is called Creation links to both are here

Betrayal
Creation

Anyone notice where they are played in game?

2) I noticed these (let me know you cannot access them)

The first shows, what I think is the original BroShep in game model with the words "John call soon"
The second shows the scary god kid of all space magic looking directly at you in a very scary way (i actually am a little scared of that expression) directly at you saying "last seen on earth. "

I am wondering if people had a non default name (not "John") if the words on the first poster changes? If so then it could be a message directly to you...

Holding the line!

I haven't been able to figure out where Betrayal is from at all. It's got to be from some situation that never happened in my game?...

Sigh, Betrayal is when Shepard betrays Mordin as he is about to go up and Cure the Genophage. The Creation is when... you create your Shepard.

[JTP117]

N7xELITE wrote...

 Maybe the child was his imagination, maybe the child was never there on earth. Nobody else seems to notice him????    

M.night shamalalablah says "You were the child the whole time" dun dun DUUUUUNNNNN!

[AJ2324]

Hey how was Harbinger speaking to Shepard in ME2? Collectors do not have visible mouths. Was that just in Shepard's mind? Any thoughts?

[Vandicus]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

JTP117 wrote...

You just said before he wakes up, insinuating that he was dreaming/halucinating/indoctrinated before that point. THAT is what explains it. He wakes up because it was not real. If it were and all the jungle planet crap did happen then he would still be dead because of all three options (control: he's incinerated Synthsis: he's incinerated Destroy: all synthetics destroyed=he's really dead). 

And you're absolutely right, she shouldnt be there, i don't debate that for a second, my analysis is that she was there (sometimes) to drop more hints to the players

I don't think you're still understanding.

The core to IT is that everything that happens when Shepard is unconscious is visualized and occurs through past experiences of Shepard.  This includes events, places, and dialogue.  Everything that happens supports this statement, aside from the appearance of the Guardian, who we "know" is Harbringer's avatar projection utilizing a part of Shepard's subconscious to convince Shepard to make the choice he wants Shepard to.

Now, once that choice is made, Shepard's mind creates images based on the same concept to not only bring closure to his actions regarding the war, but also the fate of his squad mates.  In that sense, and that every destroy ending I've witnessed thus far ends similarly, that EDI would not be witnessed to have survived, because Shepard's experience with the Guardian would make it clear that EDI would not survive, nor would Shepard.

However, Shepard wakes up once he breaks through the indoctrination through that choice.  However, that doesn't change what is mind would present before he woke up.

My view on it, as I haven't seen the video yet I can only guess, but the only reason EDI appeared is because someone brought her along as a squad mate during the run.  She shouldn't appear, but a glitch circumvents this.  But that is my opinion, and it fits what has been established with how Shepard's mind operates throughout this event.

The glitch is totally possible. However, Shepard's entire indoctrination process is filled with plot holes(him shooting Anderson in the stomach and then bleeding in that spot). Not to mention the Keeper looking
at Shepard and the rest of the place looking like its been pulled out of Shepard's head, not to mention the human writing. At this point, a squad of Protheans looking like Javik could walk out of the forest and it still makes sense for Shepard to be imagining it because of all the other crazy stuff that he's imagined thus far. In synthesis, EDI's main body is somehow damaged by the blast, which is just as seemingly contradictory as her survival in destroy. Shepard doesn't consider this in synthesis as he view's EDI's new body as her actual form, or in destroy(he was only told the Geth would die) so he doesn't visualize EDI's death.

[keith123456789]

[quote]keith123456789 wrote...

[quote]crimsontotem wrote...

[quote]keith123456789 wrote...

[quote]JTP117 wrote...

[quote]keith123456789 wrote...

I just got news that in phoenix they were talking about me3 and that bioware told them they were releasing new endings as DLC can anyone else comfirm this. idk when though.[/quote]

Like in a conference or something? Or a player/Bioware event?

[/quote] They said because 85-90% hated the ending. idk if this is true my dad told me but in either case we must not let this glimmer of hope make us let out gaurd down we need to keep holding the line.
[/quote]

your dad is a source? 

[/quote] 
He's As big a fan as any of us here

[Jaxitty]

Hey, can't necessarily use EDI as the point of whether Indoctrination is true or not. The Star Child also points out that Shep s/himself is over half synthetic..why didn't he get toastified, because considering how much they had to add to s/him's body to reconstruct it, he should have not even been able to breath at the end of destroy.

[ChristopherShepard]

Victory for Bioware! We will never forget this Trilogy!

[N7xELITE]

JTP117 wrote...

N7xELITE wrote...

 Maybe the child was his imagination, maybe the child was never there on earth. Nobody else seems to notice him????    

M.night shamalalablah says "You were the child the whole time" dun dun DUUUUUNNNNN!

MASS EFFECT 3 ENDING =Turns out shepard wakes up just after eden prime in mass effect 1 

[MassEffectFan11]

Also, has nobody considered the fact that Shepard is blindly listening to the God Child, who has admitted to being the one who controls and supposedly created the Reapers, AKA the guy who has, for the last three games, has been trying to kill Shepard, and is now trying to kill everyone else?