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MassEffectFan11 wrote...
Also, has nobody considered the fact that Shepard is blindly listening to the God Child, who has admitted to being the one who controls and supposedly created the Reapers, AKA the guy who has, for the last three games, has been trying to kill Shepard, and is now trying to kill everyone else?
MassEffectFan11 wrote...
Also, has nobody considered the fact that Shepard is blindly listening to the God Child, who has admitted to being the one who controls and supposedly created the Reapers, AKA the guy who has, for the last three games, has been trying to kill Shepard, and is now trying to kill everyone else?
Earthborn_Shepard wrote...
I think I've got it now...
..the automatic fishfeeder must be Reaper tech! They exploited Shep's greatest weakness!
N7xELITE wrote...
MASS EFFECT 3 ENDING =Turns out shepard wakes up just after eden prime in mass effect 1JTP117 wrote...
N7xELITE wrote...
Maybe the child was his imagination, maybe the child was never there on earth. Nobody else seems to notice him????
M.night shamalalablah says "You were the child the whole time" dun dun DUUUUUNNNNN!
MassEffectFan11 wrote...
Also, has nobody considered the fact that Shepard is blindly listening to the God Child, who has admitted to being the one who controls and supposedly created the Reapers, AKA the guy who has, for the last three games, has been trying to kill Shepard, and is now trying to kill everyone else?
venusflytrap1 wrote...
I have read and supported this theory since I found it maybe like a few days after beating it in like a day and a half...idk I dont keep track of time very well lol...anyways I don't really know if this has been said before as I dont have the sheer amount of time it would take to read 731 pages of comments...I'm not a robot...but anyways back to my point sometimes when you go to talk to james he says "do you hear that humming? or is that just me?" the first time I heard him say that it made me stop and think...that sounds familiar...I was just to into the game to really remember why but then later you find out about EDI being the rogue vi on luna and that TIM had them add reaper code to her to make her as she was in me2 and then she gets reaper tech added when she takes over the robot body so it makes since that the AI core would be given reaper tech from TIM when it was being built if TIM was already ID because if the reapers play for shepard was to ID him that would be the perfect way in my eyes. I would like other peoples input about this idea.
if i was shepard i would tell the god child to get lostMassEffectFan11 wrote...
Also, has nobody considered the fact that Shepard is blindly listening to the God Child, who has admitted to being the one who controls and supposedly created the Reapers, AKA the guy who has, for the last three games, has been trying to kill Shepard, and is now trying to kill everyone else?
+ 999999 paragon
Vandicus wrote...
MassEffectFan11 wrote...
Also, has nobody considered the fact that Shepard is blindly listening to the God Child, who has admitted to being the one who controls and supposedly created the Reapers, AKA the guy who has, for the last three games, has been trying to kill Shepard, and is now trying to kill everyone else?
The space child also apparently is impatient. If Shepard takes too long to decide, the Reapers blow up the Crucible.
N7xELITE wrote...
MASS EFFECT 3 ENDING =Turns out shepard wakes up just after eden prime in mass effect 1JTP117 wrote...
N7xELITE wrote...
Maybe the child was his imagination, maybe the child was never there on earth. Nobody else seems to notice him????
M.night shamalalablah says "You were the child the whole time" dun dun DUUUUUNNNNN!
Jaykel wrote...
Can anyone explain to me, how a mass relay can shoot 2 beams in two different directions?
I thought it explodes after it shot the beam.
http://s1.directuplo...20/3xmh5pvp.jpg
Sure, some of the arguments are far-fetched and some of the things are not easily explained from this perspective without relying on assumptions, but it certainly makes much more sense to me than the endings at face-value.
MassEffectFan11 wrote...
I noticed that too, nobody but Shepard pays attention. And when you see the kid in the vent, a Reaper just happens to be walking by. And right before the kid gets blown up, he looks right at Shepard.N7xELITE wrote...
Maybe the child was his imagination, maybe the child was never there on earth. Nobody else seems to notice him????
AJ2324 wrote...
Wait wait wait a sec.......How is Harbinger speaking to Shepard in ME 2?
It made me think. Is Shepard the only one that can hear him?
Collectors don't have mouths right?
How long has Harbinger been in his mind?
Jaykel wrote...
Can anyone explain to me, how a mass relay can shoot 2 beams in two different directions?
I thought it explodes after it shot the beam.
http://s1.directuplo...20/3xmh5pvp.jpg
Modifié par MDT1, 19 mars 2012 - 11:54 .
ChristopherShepard wrote...
AJ2324 wrote...
Wait wait wait a sec.......How is Harbinger speaking to Shepard in ME 2?
It made me think. Is Shepard the only one that can hear him?
Collectors don't have mouths right?
How long has Harbinger been in his mind?
..maybe since virmire..
Vandicus wrote...
MassEffectFan11 wrote...
Also, has nobody considered the fact that Shepard is blindly listening to the God Child, who has admitted to being the one who controls and supposedly created the Reapers, AKA the guy who has, for the last three games, has been trying to kill Shepard, and is now trying to kill everyone else?
The space child also apparently is impatient. If Shepard takes too long to decide, the Reapers blow up the Crucible.
ChristopherShepard wrote...
ChristopherShepard wrote...
AJ2324 wrote...
Wait wait wait a sec.......How is Harbinger speaking to Shepard in ME 2?
It made me think. Is Shepard the only one that can hear him?
Collectors don't have mouths right?
How long has Harbinger been in his mind?
..maybe since virmire..
sorry..no. that was souvereign right?
Modifié par AJ2324, 19 mars 2012 - 11:56 .
Alcore wrote...
Does any of you know a kid who would say "You can't help me" in the wake of such danger? It already seemed unreal when I've first seen it in the demo.
Anyways, as a newcomer on BSN, prompted to register by the massive letdown at the end of the game which made me realize how much I actually cared about the characters, I just wanted to show my appreaciation of what you guys are doing here. It is comforting to just be able to read the opinions of others who feel in a similar way. My flatmates are mocking me for being so enthralled by "just a game" - starting from my initial passive-aggressive rage after finishing it and the grin I had on my face all day when I first read about this theory
When I first read this, it seemed like a brilliant move by BioWare - technically one can finish the game and get an "ending" (which apparently, for reasons unknown to me, some have actually liked) and be done with the series, while those who were disappointed and dwelled deeper looking for understanding, might get "rewarded" in the near future, per DLC for instance. It got me thinking as to what could happen afterwards and I had my hopes up very high after the initial letdown. While I do not anymore believe that this was intended by BW, I still hope they will pick up on this and let my FemShep be The Shepard again. Some might be asking why I actually thought this was a great move by BW in the first place. Well, assuming a simple version where the "proper" ending picks up right after Shep wakes up in the rubble, I'd have known "it was just a dream" after a few minutes of sitting through the supposed ending cinematics. Right now, however, they've had us thinking about it, frustrated and discussing it for days with obviously even more days to follow. Plenty of time for others to finish the game and a great way (obviously not taking the money/consumer viewpoint into account here) to tell everyone "gotcha!" in the end, if IT were to be real. I would actually applaud BW for having the balls to see this through and "getting me" on my first playthrough (synthesis, doh!). It is, after all, our crucicble.
Now, I would not have even done a second playthrough if it weren't for the indoctrination theory, so again - thank you.
Holding the line, steadily for nearly 2 weeks now and saluting to Marauder Shields' portrait every morning
ArkkAngel007 wrote...
MassEffectFan11 wrote...
I noticed that too, nobody but Shepard pays attention. And when you see the kid in the vent, a Reaper just happens to be walking by. And right before the kid gets blown up, he looks right at Shepard.N7xELITE wrote...
Maybe the child was his imagination, maybe the child was never there on earth. Nobody else seems to notice him????
And it all is odd. Mostly, I am leaning towards him not being real at that point, but again, I haven't been fully convinced yet.
I guess maybe I should explain why I set myself against proof that comes up, even though I'm one of the original supporters.
You may all have noticed, but we aren't exactly popular on here, and for good reason. Every time someone finds something, instead of presenting it to be debated, they claim it as proof and wave it for all to see. Honestly, it's getting a bit out of hand that threads get continuously made not only relying on some of the more doubtful indicators, but that they prop up the theory as a fact, and not only a theory/speculation.
There are a lot of angry/disappointed fans on here. Heck, I'm sure some, if not most, of you were at some point. Trying to shove this view on them, while they do the same on here, isn't the way to go. We want the same things, but now there is a divide between the IT and literal interpretors, which is just insanely stupid of the community.
We are not about post-game DLC. We are not about what is/isn't facts, as there is no way to confirm or deny anything. This is about speculating on why the ending was executed as it was at a design and lore standpoint.
All-in-all, I'm here to make sure we don't get too ahead of ourselves, and debate it thouroughly here before throwing it out to the wolves. Not to police. Not to block opinions. Just to debate it as much as we can to make sure it holds.
I stand by IT theory. Let's just make sure what we are standing on is as solid as it can be.
MDT1 wrote...
Jaykel wrote...
Can anyone explain to me, how a mass relay can shoot 2 beams in two different directions?
I thought it explodes after it shot the beam.
http://s1.directuplo...20/3xmh5pvp.jpg
i never read about it, but I always guessed when you have a system you can reach different systems from, the system has at least two mass relays, one pointing in each direction. So Relay gets incoming beam, sends forth beam, explodes, explosion reaches seond relay, second relay sends beam and explodes. Would also explain the time delay between different directions.
But again, pure speculation.
Vandicus wrote...
ArkkAngel007 wrote...
JTP117 wrote...
You just said before he wakes up, insinuating that he was dreaming/halucinating/indoctrinated before that point. THAT is what explains it. He wakes up because it was not real. If it were and all the jungle planet crap did happen then he would still be dead because of all three options (control: he's incinerated Synthsis: he's incinerated Destroy: all synthetics destroyed=he's really dead).
And you're absolutely right, she shouldnt be there, i don't debate that for a second, my analysis is that she was there (sometimes) to drop more hints to the players
I don't think you're still understanding.
The core to IT is that everything that happens when Shepard is unconscious is visualized and occurs through past experiences of Shepard. This includes events, places, and dialogue. Everything that happens supports this statement, aside from the appearance of the Guardian, who we "know" is Harbringer's avatar projection utilizing a part of Shepard's subconscious to convince Shepard to make the choice he wants Shepard to.
Now, once that choice is made, Shepard's mind creates images based on the same concept to not only bring closure to his actions regarding the war, but also the fate of his squad mates. In that sense, and that every destroy ending I've witnessed thus far ends similarly, that EDI would not be witnessed to have survived, because Shepard's experience with the Guardian would make it clear that EDI would not survive, nor would Shepard.
However, Shepard wakes up once he breaks through the indoctrination through that choice. However, that doesn't change what is mind would present before he woke up.
My view on it, as I haven't seen the video yet I can only guess, but the only reason EDI appeared is because someone brought her along as a squad mate during the run. She shouldn't appear, but a glitch circumvents this. But that is my opinion, and it fits what has been established with how Shepard's mind operates throughout this event.
The glitch is totally possible. However, Shepard's entire indoctrination process is filled with plot holes(him shooting Anderson in the stomach and then bleeding in that spot). Not to mention the Keeper looking
at Shepard and the rest of the place looking like its been pulled out of Shepard's head, not to mention the human writing. At this point, a squad of Protheans looking like Javik could walk out of the forest and it still makes sense for Shepard to be imagining it because of all the other crazy stuff that he's imagined thus far. In synthesis, EDI's main body is somehow damaged by the blast, which is just as seemingly contradictory as her survival in destroy. Shepard doesn't consider this in synthesis as he view's EDI's new body as her actual form, or in destroy(he was only told the Geth would die) so he doesn't visualize EDI's death.
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. Possibly due to Sheaprd being a human and the keepers are supposedly helping to process them (that's up for speulation as we have no clue why it would be there other than keeper= on the Citadel and Reaper slaves).
FrostByte-GER wrote...
Vandicus wrote...
MassEffectFan11 wrote...
Also, has nobody considered the fact that Shepard is blindly listening to the God Child, who has admitted to being the one who controls and supposedly created the Reapers, AKA the guy who has, for the last three games, has been trying to kill Shepard, and is now trying to kill everyone else?
The space child also apparently is impatient. If Shepard takes too long to decide, the Reapers blow up the Crucible.
wowowow...proof?
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