57139 réponses à ce sujet

[RorickHuon]

darkcerb wrote...

One of the biggest problems for me is the citadel having the power to shutdown without destroying the mass relays...did the reapers feel this wasn't fair? did they forget they could do it?

my guess is they wanted them to bring the crucible out of hiding so they can destroy it

[seventh_sorrow]

The child says that the "created will always rebel against the creators" [paraphrase]

wouldn't the reapers eventually rebel against the GodChild?

if it takes about one cycle (approx 50,000 years) for synthetics to rebel against their creator, wouldn't the reapers have rebelled against the GodChild a long time ago? They've been doing this for millions of years.

[Mich-cz]

RorickHuon wrote...
I Guess you can say that Shepard didn't wake up right away after choosing destroy was because his mind had to process the regaining of hope in order to finally break out of the control of Harbinger. Seeing his close sqaudmates (especially the ones he takes with him say "I wouldn't want anyone else by my side.") alive on this new planet means life can arise and start anew. Thus breaking him out of the "dream". That my input to this theory  -edit-

I think you are seeing your last squadmates in the end because they have just found you in that very moment of reality and they are trying to wake you up.

also - notice similiarities with Mass Effect and Frederick Pohl's Gateway stories - not only were creators of mass effect inspired by this book, but they were inspired by the game of the same name also which has very similiar dream sequence in the end.

Modifié par Mich-cz, 20 mars 2012 - 01:35 .

[MegumiAzusa]

N7xELITE wrote...

JTP117 wrote...

N7xELITE wrote...

Has someone noticed that the ship collection is missing one??????

I did, I can't find it anywhere

its wierd 

Nope, all accounted for:

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 20 mars 2012 - 01:37 .

[lilOphelia]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

N7xELITE wrote...

JTP117 wrote...

N7xELITE wrote...

Has someone noticed that the ship collection is missing one??????

I did, I can't find it anywhere

its wierd 

Nope, all accounted for:

Have you ever just decided to stand there and watch your model Citadel turning? It always weirds me out for some reason. But it's the coolest thing ever! Or just watched the fish? =D Captain's Cabin is just so entertaining in and of itself!!

[Totally Not Swaggacide]

great ideas in this thread

[Ivucci]

Hi all. Just finished the game for the first time after a looong playthrough. Towards the end, I had already mildly spoiled myself by reading the forums and knew that there was something called an IT, but have only read the details now.

I obviously still need to sort out my thoughts, but if you don’t mind me saying a few first impressions – first impressions from before I knew the IT details. In other words, my thoughts as I was playing for the first time. I apologise I will repeat stuff that has been said x times but I just feel like posting my opinion.

- No way the child in the vent was real or at least “normal”
Related: do you also see a burnt spot in the vent when you look back in? has it been noted as significant that the husks seem to be attacking and breaking in the building the child was in?

- The whole “ending” – everything that is shown after Shepard is knocked out by the beam - is so weird and has such a dreamy feel that again I didn’t, not even for one second, think it was supposed to be taken literally and seriously as a “real” ending with plot holes

- The scene with Joker+EDI and potentially squadmates stepping out of Normandy seems about as real and “normal” as the kid in the vents. The way they descend so peacefully and gracefully with that serene smile on their face, the paradise feel – totally inappropriate for the situation – Shepard potentially dead, billions dead, half of galaxy destroyed. My immediate thought was that the scene might not be real.

I simply don’t believe that all this is a result of poor writing, I don’t believe that Bioware left plot holes in their ending, I don’t believe it was a failed attempt at artistry – I believe we haven’t been told/shown everything. I’m not gonna speculate on why would Bioware play this highly complicated game with us, it does feel suspicious I have to admit!

I’m not angry, I don’t feel betrayed, I can’t even say if I like or dislike the ending (while completely loving the game in general) until (if?) I have more info – but damn yes I would definitely welcome some answers (and a closure and more time to say goodbye to the story, exactly).

Indoctrination theory makes sense to me, and many thanks for a great read. I won’t cling to it as a “solution”, I’m still in the processing phase. That's why I don't have any challenge or counter arguments, sorry.

Modifié par Ivucci, 20 mars 2012 - 01:44 .

[MegumiAzusa]

lilOphelia wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

N7xELITE wrote...

JTP117 wrote...

N7xELITE wrote...

Has someone noticed that the ship collection is missing one??????

I did, I can't find it anywhere

its wierd 

Nope, all accounted for:

Have you ever just decided to stand there and watch your model Citadel turning? It always weirds me out for some reason. But it's the coolest thing ever! Or just watched the fish? =D Captain's Cabin is just so entertaining in and of itself!!

Hehe yes I did some times
btw if N7xELITE is talking about the Shadow Broker ship I guess you have to get the DLC.

[byne]

npoqrhgcnpouheprouhncpo wrote...

I actually give Props to you guys for coming up with an intelligent explanation for this mess.

The only problem I have is that you should start giving YOURSELF credit for it instead then BW

They really aren't that clever...and in the end what was in the ME3 box was the FINAL product

DLC is never ment to give a game you paid for an ending....that goes with the final product, so what you are describing would be an unprecedented unethical scam perpertated by BW/EA against i their costumers.

Any theories are fun and interesting but common sense says otherwise.

Can't say I honestly care who gets credit for coming up with the idea, so long as Bioware does something to address the current awful endings.

[JTP117]

npoqrhgcnpouheprouhncpo wrote...

JTP117 wrote...

npoqrhgcnpouheprouhncpo wrote...

JTP117 wrote...

npoqrhgcnpouheprouhncpo wrote...

jakal66 wrote...

npoqrhgcnpouheprouhncpo wrote...

My friends the only Ending is the OLD MAN telling US children to BUY DLC if we want to play more Adventures of THE Shepard, from before he/she died selecting his/her favorite Color Choice.
THE END

The only Hallucination is the acid trip Bioware developers had when they wrote this ending.

see these kind of posts are useless man

but so very true

You have every right to disgree with us, just bring some evidence to the table besides "because i said so"

get out of this thread and read others too... you are in a bubble up here.

Was The old man and the boy part of this hallucination too?

http://social.biowar...index/9999272/1

http://social.biowar...ndex/10022779/1

As I'm sure it has been said on here before, Bioware has already stated that the "Final hours" segment is not necessarially related to the cannon of ME

as for the second thread, most of it appears to agree with us here that the ending was odd. We are just trying to devise a theory that brings clarity using basic logic. I fail to see why that is such a bad thing.

I actually give Props to you guys for coming up with an intelligent explanation for this mess.

The only problem I have is that you should start giving YOURSELF credit for it instead then BW

They really aren't that clever...and in the end what was in the ME3 box was the FINAL product

DLC is never ment to give a game you paid for an ending....that goes with the final product, so what you are describing would be an unprecedented unethical scam perpertated by BW/EA against i their costumers.

Any theories are fun and interesting but common sense says otherwise.

Well thank you for complimenting us on the theory I myself am going to keep my fingers crossed that this was a brilliant marketing move from the start, or compassionate damage control after the fact

[iwillkillfortali]

And I wanted to go back to Feros!

[JTP117]

iwillkillfortali wrote...

And I wanted to go back to Feros!

When they were talking about the colonists there fighting the reapers, I was like "Oh cool, i can go see how they are all doing" But nope

[ManznPain]

Please note: This post is just a troll-post and not to be taken seriously... But I just had to do it after listening to this glorious song! 

Guys, girls, anyone! It just hit me! I found it! The real inspiration! 


It's a kind of magic, 
It's a kind of magic,
A kind of magic, 

One dream, one soul, one prize,
One goal, one golden
glance of what should be,
It's a kind of magic,
One shaft of light that shows the way,
No mortal man can win this day,

This is obviously about the dream of a galaxy without Reapers; the "one soul" is Shepard who must pay the "one prize" (sacrifice himself or... ahem... yeah...). The “golden glance” and “one shaft of light” refer to the endings we got.

It's a mind of magic,
The bell that rings inside your mind,
Its challenging the doors of time,
It's a kind of magic,
The waiting seems eternity,
The day will dawn of sanity,

"The bell" is
the sound that the reapers make. "Challenging the doors of time" --> How long can Shepard fight on against the Reaper in his head? "The waiting seems eternity" --> Another line describing the struggle to fight on against them. "The day will dawn of sanity" --> When Shepard awakens under the rubble in London.

It's a kind of magic,
There can be only one,
This rage that lasts a thousand years
Will soon be gone,
This flame that burns inside of me,
I'm hearing secret harmonies

The “only one” refers
again to Shepard, he is the only on that can unite the forces of the
galaxy. “This rage that lasts a thousand years will soon be gone” → The Reaper will finally be destroyed. (Either this or it refers to us fans; and that the true endings are on their way!)

It's a kind of magic,
The bell that rings inside your mind,
Is challenging the doors of time,
It's a kind of magic,
It's a kind of magic,
This rage that lasts a thousand years,
Will soon be will soon be,
Will soon be gone,
This is a kind of magic,  
Tere can only be one,
This life that lasts a
thousand years,
Will soon be gone,
Magic - it's a kind of magic,
It's a kind of magic,
Magic, magic, magic,
magic,  
It's a kind of magic.
It's a kind of magic. 
:wizard:

Modifié par ManznPain, 20 mars 2012 - 02:10 .

[JTP117]

ManznPain wrote...

Please note: This post is just a troll-post and not to be taken seriously... But I just had to do it after listening to this glorious song! 

Guys, girls, anyone! It just hit me! I found it! The real inspiration! 


It's a kind of magic, 
It's a kind of magic,
A kind of magic, 

One dream, one soul, one prize,
One goal, one golden
glance of what should be,
It's a kind of magic,
One shaft of light that shows the way,
No mortal man can win this day,

This is obviously about the dream of a galaxy without Reapers; the "one soul" is Shepard who must pay the "one prize" (sacrifice himself or... ahem... yeah...). The “golden glance” and “one shaft of light” refer to the endings we got.

It's a mind of magic,
The bell that rings inside your mind,
Its challenging the doors of time,
It's a kind of magic,
The waiting seems eternity,
The day will dawn of sanity,

"The bell" is
the sound that the reapers make. "Challenging the doors of time" --> How long can Shepard fight on against the Reaper in his head? "The waiting seems eternity" --> Another line describing the struggle to fight on against them. "The day will dawn of sanity" --> When Shepard awakens under the rubble in London.

It's a kind of magic,
There can be only one,
This rage that lasts a thousand years
Will soon be gone,
This flame that burns inside of me,
I'm hearing secret harmonies

The “only one” refers
again to Shepard, he is the only on that can unite the forces of the
galaxy. “This rage that lasts a thousand years will soon be gone” → The Reaper will finally be destroyed. (Either this or it refers to us fans; and that the true endings are on their way!)

It's a kind of magic,
The bell that rings inside your mind,
Is challenging the doors of time,
It's a kind of magic,
It's a kind of magic,
This rage that lasts a thousand years,
Will soon be will soon be,
Will soon be gone,
This is a kind of magic,  
Tere can only be one,
This life that lasts a
thousand years,
Will soon be gone,
Magic - it's a kind of magic,
It's a kind of magic,
Magic, magic, magic,
magic,  
It's a kind of magic.
It's a kind of magic. 
:wizard:

Lol, well alright then

[Either.Ardrey]

Garrus actually has several quotes in ME3 that could be used to relate around this theory and how it's progressed. I certainly thought it was amusing when I discovered it in my second playthrough, made possible by this thread.

"Just followed your example, Shepard. Yell loud enough, and someone will eventually come over to see what all the fuss is about" - exactly what's been happening around this controversy.

"That's the thing about getting old, Shepard. The platitudes get just as old." - Bioware's responses/platitudes are getting old.

"Pretty soon, blind hope is all we'll have left...and I hate being blind." - self explanatory

"I had to admit that parts of it sounded crazy. Meeting Vigil? Talking to Sovereign on Virmire? But my father just listened. It's what he did in his days at C-Sec, putting together all the pieces. If the connections were there, he wouldn't deny them. And he saw what we always knew--the Reapers were coming." - Exactly what we're doing essentially.

"Now I'm sure somebody screwed up something down here. I want to get the old girl back in fighting shape." - how many are seeing Bioware and the ending(s).

Modifié par Either.Ardrey, 20 mars 2012 - 02:17 .

[nighthawk132651]

guys it looks like were gonna win this thing after all http://news.yahoo.co...-195542082.html

[Dein Justin]

Not sure if this was mentioned before..

Just as a way to prove/disprove the existence of the child in the intro, has anybody tried creating a map, with Shepard's steps as a means of scale to figure out the placement of the building with a garden on top against the building with the kid in the vent? I made out a rough sketch based on my memory on my recent 2nd playthrough, but still, it feels odd and weird considering that those two buildings don't share the same roof layout/configurations.

Just tossing this out there as a possibility...since I find it a bit too cliche to use a kid as a guilt trap for my Shepard who has other things to worry about than a child dying, when in fact, millions more are dying.

[PrimarchGarrus]

You know what? I believe that this is 100% true. I also found this page through like fifteen links and I think this pretty much proves the indoc theory. Or, BioWare had a retard moment. Cause there are like a crap load of problems with the ending if they were legit

read this: https://docs.google....?pli=1&sle=true

[Either.Ardrey]

nighthawk132651 wrote...

guys it looks like were gonna win this thing after all http://news.yahoo.co...-195542082.html

That seems to me to be more of an inaccurate extrapolation of the same Casey Hudson quote that's been spreading around. He doensn't say anything about making the content, only that they are listening to what we're saying.

[Richard0600]

Well there goes the indoctrination theory...

http://www.facebook....275243029217754

They have no current plans to change the ending meaning that.. the actual SH!T ending is true... omg for weeks I have clung to this theory... in the end it was just a buncha bullsht... I wanna fly to vancouver and set the bioware studio on fire.. this is AHHHH fcking rage mode..

[RorickHuon]

I just want to point out that when talking to the crew aboard the Normandy after nearly EVERY mission (small or priority) James and a few other complain about a strange humming sound , but typically shake it off as nothing.

[lex0r11]

glad to see the discussion still alive and kicking.

so here goes more motivationals!

[JTP117]

Richard0600 wrote...

Well there goes the indoctrination theory...

http://www.facebook....275243029217754

They have no current plans to change the ending meaning that.. the actual SH!T ending is true... omg for weeks I have clung to this theory... in the end it was just a buncha bullsht... I wanna fly to vancouver and set the bioware studio on fire.. this is AHHHH fcking rage mode..

That status actually says that they ARE concidering changes to the ending, they are refuting a previous post that said they would not.