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[BobyCola]

oh how i hope so, and it all fits.. makes sence in the mass effect way...

[iwillkillfortali]

lex0r11 wrote...

glad to see the discussion still alive and kicking.

so here goes more motivationals!

Yes and Tali wants a house built by me!

Modifié par iwillkillfortali, 20 mars 2012 - 02:38 .

[Mich-cz]

I have been thinking about it and if all indoctrination theory is correct then why we need highest number of war assets for ultimate bad ending (aka synthesis, neutrality, niether paragon, nor renegade)? We don't get it when we are not trying. Is it there on purpose or is it just trolling from bioware to make us believe that middle path is that best ending?

Modifié par Mich-cz, 20 mars 2012 - 02:27 .

[blooregard]

Is there a way we an get a list of ALL the plot holes currently made by the ending?

[RADIUMEYEZ]

Richard0600 wrote...

Well there goes the indoctrination theory...

http://www.facebook....275243029217754

They have no current plans to change the ending meaning that.. the actual SH!T ending is true... omg for weeks I have clung to this theory... in the end it was just a buncha bullsht... I wanna fly to vancouver and set the bioware studio on fire.. this is AHHHH fcking rage mode..

Reread it it is talking about a recent post that stated they had no plans to change it. They're not saying that they have no plans to change it in this post . Later on in the post is says that nothing has been ruled out.

[Dap Brannigan]

Vox Doom wrote...

<- Crucible destroyed.

There's definitely something going on here.

Then it's definitely a dream.  In the dream, the Crucible is literally right above you.  If it was being fired upon by the Reapers after it connected to the Citadel, wouldn't there be some indication this was happening?

[Richard0600]

RADIUMEYEZ wrote...

Richard0600 wrote...

Well there goes the indoctrination theory...

http://www.facebook....275243029217754

They have no current plans to change the ending meaning that.. the actual SH!T ending is true... omg for weeks I have clung to this theory... in the end it was just a buncha bullsht... I wanna fly to vancouver and set the bioware studio on fire.. this is AHHHH fcking rage mode..

Reread it it is talking about a recent post that stated they had no plans to change it. They're not saying that they have no plans to change it in this post . Later on in the post is says that nothing has been ruled out.

Not my point. Call me naive but I was under the understanding that the indoctrination theory was actually true.. and that bioware were fcking geniuses. Gods of RPG.. With that statement it complete flips my world upside down. To even think that they would release sht like this makes me absolutely sick. They better change the ending now. They better make a DLC to make this indoctrination theory true. 

To actually realese an ending like this.. it reminds me of that south park episode about indiana jones. Where George Lucas and Steven Spielberg rape indiana. This is exactly that. Bioware and EA raping commander shepard. 

They seriously must have fired the writing team prior to writing the last 10 minutes and hired a bunch of monkeys to finish it.

I am so mad and sad now.. knowing that the indoctrination theory was something we just made up to comfort ourselves.. I honestly lead myself to believe that it was true. FCK YOU BIOWARE!

Modifié par Richard0600, 20 mars 2012 - 02:32 .

[blurryhunter]

Mich-cz wrote...

I have been thinking about it and if all indoctrination theory is correct then why we need highest number of war assets for ultimate bad ending (aka synthesis, neutrality, niether paragon, nor renegade)? We don't get it when we are not trying. Is it there on purpose or is it just trolling from bioware to make us believe that middle path is that best ending?

My understanding of the War Assets and the need for higher EMR to allow Shepard's 'sudden breath' moment goes like this.

The higher EMR means the more assets present in the fight, which would, to me, equate to more time to hold off Repear forces so that Shepard would have something to keep fighting over if he lived.

In short, if you don't have the high EMR score and you do the Destroy choice, Shepard doesn't draw breath, because the war is lost by the time he snaps out of it; there just weren't enough forces to keep the enemy occupied while Shepard went through his 'trial.'

[JTP117]

iwillkillfortali wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

glad to see the discussion still alive and kicking.

so here goes more motivationals!

Yes and Tali was a house built by me!

Nvm, I had something but the image failed

Modifié par JTP117, 20 mars 2012 - 02:34 .

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

Indoctrination was going to be the original ending.They might as well use that and expand upon that with the Shep_alive ending.As long as you get a bad ending , good ending and the best ending that actually makes sense.

[blooregard]

Dap Brannigan wrote...

Vox Doom wrote...

<- Crucible destroyed.

There's definitely something going on here.

Then it's definitely a dream.  In the dream, the Crucible is literally right above you.  If it was being fired upon by the Reapers after it connected to the Citadel, wouldn't there be some indication this was happening?

always found it odd the reapers weren't paying any attention to the super weapon meant to destroy them

now the question is if it doesn't work the way they showed us (blow up mass relays ect.) then how does it work?

[Dap Brannigan]

Dap Brannigan wrote...

Vox Doom wrote...

<- Crucible destroyed.

There's definitely something going on here.

Then it's definitely a dream.  In the dream, the Crucible is literally right above you.  If it was being fired upon by the Reapers after it connected to the Citadel, wouldn't there be some indication this was happening?

Also, if the Crucible was destroyed during the ghost-child scene, I'd assume there would be a pretty large explosion that would take that entire tri-color structure with it.  Including the tube you shoot with a pistol to get the Destroy ending.

[MassEffectFan11]

Richard0600 wrote...

RADIUMEYEZ wrote...

Richard0600 wrote...

Well there goes the indoctrination theory...

http://www.facebook....275243029217754

They have no current plans to change the ending meaning that.. the actual SH!T ending is true... omg for weeks I have clung to this theory... in the end it was just a buncha bullsht... I wanna fly to vancouver and set the bioware studio on fire.. this is AHHHH fcking rage mode..

Reread it it is talking about a recent post that stated they had no plans to change it. They're not saying that they have no plans to change it in this post . Later on in the post is says that nothing has been ruled out.

Not my point. Call me naive but I was under the understanding that the indoctrination theory was actually true.. and that bioware were fcking geniuses. Gods of RPG.. With that statement it complete flips my world upside down. To even think that they would release sht like this makes me absolutely sick. They better change the ending now. They better make a DLC to make this indoctrination theory true. 

To actually realese an ending like this.. it reminds me of that south park episode about indiana jones. Where George Lucas and Steven Spielberg rape indiana. This is exactly that. Bioware and EA raping commander shepard. 

They seriously must have fired the writing team prior to writing the last 10 minutes and hired a bunch of monkeys to finish it.

I am so mad and sad now.. knowing that the indoctrination theory was something we just made up to comfort ourselves.. I honestly lead myself to believe that it was true. FCK YOU BIOWARE!

Seriously, stop it. This is exactly what was being talked about when someone said NOT to let ourselves get overzealous. You've convinced yourself that this whole thing is the canon ending and that if Bioware doesn't change it, they're commiting some kind of capital sin. That's not how it works. The game is theirs and in the end they can do what they want. Going batsh*t crazy and cussing out Bioware because they said they might change the ending is exactly what you should do if you want them to stop taking us seriously.

[iwillkillfortali]

JTP117 wrote...

iwillkillfortali wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

glad to see the discussion still alive and kicking.

so here goes more motivationals!

Yes and Tali wants a house built by me!

Nvm, I had something but the image failed

Where was this image?

[Saint Steel]

I just wanted to further cement the fact that the child is an illusion through the indoctrination process. Notice the child is basically seen as Shepard's failed attempts to save people and the child tells aShepard in the beginning "You can't Help Me" Also I found it rather fishy how the child survived the explosion that came before seeing him in that room. Lastly, notice nobody tries to aid the child onto the shuttle.

Another helpful fact is that the black whisps you see at the end, are noticable during any of the numerous dream sequences Shepard goes through.

[JTP117]

iwillkillfortali wrote...

JTP117 wrote...

iwillkillfortali wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

glad to see the discussion still alive and kicking.

so here goes more motivationals!

Yes and Tali wants a house built by me!

Nvm, I had something but the image failed

Where was this image?

My pictures library

[RADIUMEYEZ]

Dap Brannigan wrote...

Dap Brannigan wrote...

Vox Doom wrote...

<- Crucible destroyed.

There's definitely something going on here.

Then it's definitely a dream.  In the dream, the Crucible is literally right above you.  If it was being fired upon by the Reapers after it connected to the Citadel, wouldn't there be some indication this was happening?

Also, if the Crucible was destroyed during the ghost-child scene, I'd assume there would be a pretty large explosion that would take that entire tri-color structure with it.  Including the tube you shoot with a pistol to get the Destroy ending.

Which leads to the ultimate ending where the red thing is destroyed and blows up from a reapers lazer which throws Shep into the blue thing and he grabs the handle thingys and then is blown into the middle creating crazy wormhole in which the Delorean comes out of with Doc Brown and Marty McFly who then take Shep's bruised body back to 1955 and nurse him back to health so he can to find out that Shep's great great great .... grandfather was really Biff Tannen. Oh and he ends up accidentally porking his great grandmother causing a time paradox and Terminators took over and the reapers and then become lovers. Okay I am done with my smart ass reply continue with your conversations people. *Vanishes back into the shadows*

Modifié par RADIUMEYEZ, 20 mars 2012 - 02:42 .

[Either.Ardrey]

http://games.ign.com.../1221125p1.html

I can't remember exactly how to format hyperlinks in html, but if anyone's interested, here's a link to another place for us to talk about the endings. IGN is hosting a live discussion about the story, including the controversial endings.

No doubt there's going to be a lot of confused people going there, and since many of the questions will have likely been already answered here, it could be a good chance to provide answers from the IT perspective, as well as give the IGN guys that call themselves experts some material to work with without causing embarrassment for everyone involved with a strong working knowledge of the Mass Effect universe.

[wantedman dan]

MassEffectFan11 wrote...

Seriously, stop it. This is exactly what was being talked about when someone said NOT to let ourselves get overzealous. You've convinced yourself that this whole thing is the canon ending and that if Bioware doesn't change it, they're commiting some kind of capital sin. That's not how it works. The game is theirs and in the end they can do what they want. Going batsh*t crazy and cussing out Bioware because they said they might change the ending is exactly what you should do if you want them to stop taking us seriously.

While I disagree with their methods, simply dismissing them because "It's Bioware's game" is nonsensical. This is just as much our story as it is theirs; if they wanted to be poetic and tell us "nothing really matters" they should not have led us on for 99.84 hours believing our choices made a difference.

Furthermore, you don't promise your fans that they'll get what they promised and give us... this, and not expect people to be angry about it.

[MassEffectFan11]

wantedman dan wrote...

MassEffectFan11 wrote...

Seriously, stop it. This is exactly what was being talked about when someone said NOT to let ourselves get overzealous. You've convinced yourself that this whole thing is the canon ending and that if Bioware doesn't change it, they're commiting some kind of capital sin. That's not how it works. The game is theirs and in the end they can do what they want. Going batsh*t crazy and cussing out Bioware because they said they might change the ending is exactly what you should do if you want them to stop taking us seriously.

While I disagree with their methods, simply dismissing them because "It's Bioware's game" is nonsensical. This is just as much our story as it is theirs; if they wanted to be poetic and tell us "nothing really matters" they should not have led us on for 99.84 hours believing our choices made a difference.

Furthermore, you don't promise your fans that they'll get what they promised and give us... this, and not expect people to be angry about it.

Well, you know what I mean. I wasn't saying that we should just accept that the ending sucks, I want us to keep fighting for it. I just mean that we can't demand that they make it the indoctrination theory like we have the authority to do that. They should, yes, but we can't demand that they do it and expect them to take us seriously. Yes, it's our story, and yes, we should fight for it. But we can't cuss them out if we want to get anything from it. We have to stay respectable.

[MassEffectFan11]

Also, before you start saying "F*ck you Bioware", maybe look up at the rules update from March 2nd, about the zero-tolerance policy towards verbal abuse directed at staff or anyone else.

[Rob Psyence]

byne wrote...

The more I replay ME3, the less I understand why Bioware would choose to not explain anything in the ending, unless it was a hallucination.

I mean, Cortez just told me to relax he'd turn of his auditory emulators and watch ships fly by in silence.

Bioware really chose to explain why we can hear ships in space, which is something that is just generally accepted as the norm in any space related series, and no one ever really questioned, but didnt choose to explain a single thing about Space Magic and Godchild?

Hard to believe they'd go out of their way to explain even the smallest things, then just explain nothing in the last 10 minutes.

Also, and this isnt really relevant, but Padok Wiks, the salarian who replaces Mordin on the Normandy if you let Mordin die in ME2, is pretty awesome.

Definitely worth letting Mordin die in at least one of your ME2 games just to see Padok Wiks' face while he imagines what krogan sex would look like.

Omg Padok Wiks, he's great. I started my 2nd playthrough recently and I thought I did Mordin's loyalty mission and when I saw that I didnt and he was dead already I was so bummed. But then Wiks did that face and I cheered up, also when he talks about punching Mordin in the face over a debate about evolution lol.

Speaking about overheard dialogue, right after the mission involving Victus' son I went and talked to EDI and what did she tell me about? Earth leadership deciding if they would board one of the reapers to talk about peace. I was like wtf and my femshep says "why would they do that, they'd be indoctorinated!"

Then later on the citadel because of my me2 playthrough I met  and found out that Liara's "father" Aethya, the asari bartender that was on Illium! Needless to say the whole conversation is hilarious and gives insight on the real Benezia..lol she also claims that Liara is 1/4 Krogan because Aethya's father was a Krogan. Anyways they start talking about Cerberus and Liara exclaims All of Cerberus are Reaper slaves! ...hmm

[HairyMadDog1010]

Richard0600 wrote...

Well there goes the indoctrination theory...

http://www.facebook....275243029217754

They have no current plans to change the ending meaning that.. the actual SH!T ending is true... omg for weeks I have clung to this theory... in the end it was just a buncha bullsht... I wanna fly to vancouver and set the bioware studio on fire.. this is AHHHH fcking rage mode..

Dude they told us last night that that fellow was miss informed, the link you provided even says he was.

Edit: "We are aware that there are concerns about a recent post from this account regarding the ending of the game. In this post it was stated that at this time we do not have plans to change the ending.

We would like to clarify that we are actively and seriously taking all player feedback into consideration and have ruled nothing out. At this time we are still collecting and considering your feedback and have not made a decision regarding requests to change the ending.

Your feedback and opinions are of the utmost importance to us. We apologize for any confusion this has caused. Our top priority regarding this discussion is to keep communication with you, our loyal fans, open and productive."

Modifié par HairyMadDog1010, 20 mars 2012 - 02:57 .

[wantedman dan]

MassEffectFan11 wrote...

Well, you know what I mean. I wasn't saying that we should just accept that the ending sucks, I want us to keep fighting for it. I just mean that we can't demand that they make it the indoctrination theory like we have the authority to do that. They should, yes, but we can't demand that they do it and expect them to take us seriously. Yes, it's our story, and yes, we should fight for it. But we can't cuss them out if we want to get anything from it. We have to stay respectable.

While I agree with your overarching opinion--that we should fight for a change from this abomination of an ending--I disagree with the notion that we have no power to "demand" them to make our opinions "canon." If I give you a substantial portion of my money (Hey, I'm in college. $70 is a lot of damn money... lol), you damn well better believe I'm going to have bargaining power over you and over the good that I purchased, especially if that good does not provide the means and ends you described.

[Mich-cz]

blurryhunter wrote...

Mich-cz wrote...
I have been thinking about it and if all indoctrination theory is correct then why we need highest number of war assets for ultimate bad ending (aka synthesis, neutrality, niether paragon, nor renegade)? We don't get it when we are not trying. Is it there on purpose or is it just trolling from bioware to make us believe that middle path is that best ending?

My understanding of the War Assets and the need for higher EMR to allow Shepard's 'sudden breath' moment goes like this.
The higher EMR means the more assets present in the fight, which would, to me, equate to more time to hold off Repear forces so that Shepard would have something to keep fighting over if he lived.
In short, if you don't have the high EMR score and you do the Destroy choice, Shepard doesn't draw breath, because the war is lost by the time he snaps out of it; there just weren't enough forces to keep the enemy occupied while Shepard went through his 'trial.'

yes, i know that and i managed to gather around 7300 WA. but if this is indoctrination/dream/mindbattle why gathering more strength in reality equals third path in the end? can i consider it kind of desperate measure from harbinger (he knows he is loosing) or is it a reflection of shepard's well-balanced mind that reapers can exploit in that case? (one more possibilty how to corrupt him)