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[wantedman dan]

HairyMadDog1010 wrote...

Richard0600 wrote...

Well there goes the indoctrination theory...

http://www.facebook....275243029217754

They have no current plans to change the ending meaning that.. the actual SH!T ending is true... omg for weeks I have clung to this theory... in the end it was just a buncha bullsht... I wanna fly to vancouver and set the bioware studio on fire.. this is AHHHH fcking rage mode..

Dude they told us last night that that fellow was miss informed, the link you provided even says he was.

Edit: "We are aware that there are concerns about a recent post from this account regarding the ending of the game. In this post it was stated that at this time we do not have plans to change the ending.

We would like to clarify that we are actively and seriously taking all player feedback into consideration and have ruled nothing out. At this time we are still collecting and considering your feedback and have not made a decision regarding requests to change the ending.

Your feedback and opinions are of the utmost importance to us. We apologize for any confusion this has caused. Our top priority regarding this discussion is to keep communication with you, our loyal fans, open and productive."

I believe that Richard was talking about the second paragraph. Since they're taking the feedback so seriously and have "ruled nothing out," includng keeping the current ending canon, he hypothesizes that they have not, before releasing ME3 considered an ending other than what little we received.

Modifié par wantedman dan, 20 mars 2012 - 02:59 .

[Ona Demonie]

Perhaps they aren't going to CHANGE the endings, but rather, keep the current ones but ADD more to it or ADD more endings.

Yay for technicalities!

Modifié par Ona Demonie, 20 mars 2012 - 03:01 .

[MassEffectFan11]

wantedman dan wrote...

MassEffectFan11 wrote...

Well, you know what I mean. I wasn't saying that we should just accept that the ending sucks, I want us to keep fighting for it. I just mean that we can't demand that they make it the indoctrination theory like we have the authority to do that. They should, yes, but we can't demand that they do it and expect them to take us seriously. Yes, it's our story, and yes, we should fight for it. But we can't cuss them out if we want to get anything from it. We have to stay respectable.

While I agree with your overarching opinion--that we should fight for a change from this abomination of an ending--I disagree with the notion that we have no power to "demand" them to make our opinions "canon." If I give you a substantial portion of my money (Hey, I'm in college. $70 is a lot of damn money... lol), you damn well better believe I'm going to have bargaining power over you and over the good that I purchased, especially if that good does not provide the means and ends you described.

Look, in the end, what I'm trying to say is, we can't start swearing at Bioware if they don't give us what we want right now. We have to stay respectful, or our opinions will get no respect in return.

[wantedman dan]

Either way, I feel sorry for Bioware PR. They're dealing with a sh*tstorm of intrepid proportions.

[RorickHuon]

MassEffectFan11 wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

MassEffectFan11 wrote...

Well, you know what I mean. I wasn't saying that we should just accept that the ending sucks, I want us to keep fighting for it. I just mean that we can't demand that they make it the indoctrination theory like we have the authority to do that. They should, yes, but we can't demand that they do it and expect them to take us seriously. Yes, it's our story, and yes, we should fight for it. But we can't cuss them out if we want to get anything from it. We have to stay respectable.

While I agree with your overarching opinion--that we should fight for a change from this abomination of an ending--I disagree with the notion that we have no power to "demand" them to make our opinions "canon." If I give you a substantial portion of my money (Hey, I'm in college. $70 is a lot of damn money... lol), you damn well better believe I'm going to have bargaining power over you and over the good that I purchased, especially if that good does not provide the means and ends you described.

Look, in the end, what I'm trying to say is, we can't start swearing at Bioware if they don't give us what we want right now. We have to stay respectful, or our opinions will get no respect in return.

irrelevant I know, but I read that post in Anderson's voice ^^;

[wantedman dan]

MassEffectFan11 wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

MassEffectFan11 wrote...

Well, you know what I mean. I wasn't saying that we should just accept that the ending sucks, I want us to keep fighting for it. I just mean that we can't demand that they make it the indoctrination theory like we have the authority to do that. They should, yes, but we can't demand that they do it and expect them to take us seriously. Yes, it's our story, and yes, we should fight for it. But we can't cuss them out if we want to get anything from it. We have to stay respectable.

While I agree with your overarching opinion--that we should fight for a change from this abomination of an ending--I disagree with the notion that we have no power to "demand" them to make our opinions "canon." If I give you a substantial portion of my money (Hey, I'm in college. $70 is a lot of damn money... lol), you damn well better believe I'm going to have bargaining power over you and over the good that I purchased, especially if that good does not provide the means and ends you described.

Look, in the end, what I'm trying to say is, we can't start swearing at Bioware if they don't give us what we want right now. We have to stay respectful, or our opinions will get no respect in return.

In that, we can both agree.

[lex0r11]

byne wrote...

The more I replay ME3, the less I understand why Bioware would choose to not explain anything in the ending, unless it was a hallucination.

I mean, Cortez just told me to relax he'd turn of his auditory emulators and watch ships fly by in silence.

Bioware really chose to explain why we can hear ships in space, which is something that is just generally accepted as the norm in any space related series, and no one ever really questioned, but didnt choose to explain a single thing about Space Magic and Godchild?

Hard to believe they'd go out of their way to explain even the smallest things, then just explain nothing in the last 10 minutes.

Also, and this isnt really relevant, but Padok Wiks, the salarian who replaces Mordin on the Normandy if you let Mordin die in ME2, is pretty awesome.

Definitely worth letting Mordin die in at least one of your ME2 games just to see Padok Wiks' face while he imagines what krogan sex would look like.

[Rob Psyence]

MassEffectFan11 wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

MassEffectFan11 wrote...

Well, you know what I mean. I wasn't saying that we should just accept that the ending sucks, I want us to keep fighting for it. I just mean that we can't demand that they make it the indoctrination theory like we have the authority to do that. They should, yes, but we can't demand that they do it and expect them to take us seriously. Yes, it's our story, and yes, we should fight for it. But we can't cuss them out if we want to get anything from it. We have to stay respectable.

While I agree with your overarching opinion--that we should fight for a change from this abomination of an ending--I disagree with the notion that we have no power to "demand" them to make our opinions "canon." If I give you a substantial portion of my money (Hey, I'm in college. $70 is a lot of damn money... lol), you damn well better believe I'm going to have bargaining power over you and over the good that I purchased, especially if that good does not provide the means and ends you described.

Look, in the end, what I'm trying to say is, we can't start swearing at Bioware if they don't give us what we want right now. We have to stay respectful, or our opinions will get no respect in return.

Basically we need to remain well behaved adults (those of us that are "adults") and not start having tantrum fits if we dont get it immediately.

[MassEffectFan11]

RorickHuon wrote...

MassEffectFan11 wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

MassEffectFan11 wrote...

Well, you know what I mean. I wasn't saying that we should just accept that the ending sucks, I want us to keep fighting for it. I just mean that we can't demand that they make it the indoctrination theory like we have the authority to do that. They should, yes, but we can't demand that they do it and expect them to take us seriously. Yes, it's our story, and yes, we should fight for it. But we can't cuss them out if we want to get anything from it. We have to stay respectable.

While I agree with your overarching opinion--that we should fight for a change from this abomination of an ending--I disagree with the notion that we have no power to "demand" them to make our opinions "canon." If I give you a substantial portion of my money (Hey, I'm in college. $70 is a lot of damn money... lol), you damn well better believe I'm going to have bargaining power over you and over the good that I purchased, especially if that good does not provide the means and ends you described.

Look, in the end, what I'm trying to say is, we can't start swearing at Bioware if they don't give us what we want right now. We have to stay respectful, or our opinions will get no respect in return.

irrelevant I know, but I read that post in Anderson's voice ^^;

My avatar does a good job of making it sound like I'm talking as Anderson, huh? Wow, that last post really does fit an Anderson quote.

[wantedman dan]

I think they'd quell a lot of the aggression in their direction by giving us more than the ambiguous and tired phrase, "We're taking what you're saying into consideration."

[MassEffectFan11]

Rob Psyence wrote...

MassEffectFan11 wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

MassEffectFan11 wrote...

Well, you know what I mean. I wasn't saying that we should just accept that the ending sucks, I want us to keep fighting for it. I just mean that we can't demand that they make it the indoctrination theory like we have the authority to do that. They should, yes, but we can't demand that they do it and expect them to take us seriously. Yes, it's our story, and yes, we should fight for it. But we can't cuss them out if we want to get anything from it. We have to stay respectable.

While I agree with your overarching opinion--that we should fight for a change from this abomination of an ending--I disagree with the notion that we have no power to "demand" them to make our opinions "canon." If I give you a substantial portion of my money (Hey, I'm in college. $70 is a lot of damn money... lol), you damn well better believe I'm going to have bargaining power over you and over the good that I purchased, especially if that good does not provide the means and ends you described.

Look, in the end, what I'm trying to say is, we can't start swearing at Bioware if they don't give us what we want right now. We have to stay respectful, or our opinions will get no respect in return.

Basically we need to remain well behaved adults (those of us that are "adults") and not start having tantrum fits if we dont get it immediately.

I am very much an adult and I very much plan on remaining well-behaved. We aren't Commander Shepard, we can't Renegade our way into getting what we want.

[Rob Psyence]

MassEffectFan11 wrote...

Rob Psyence wrote...

MassEffectFan11 wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

MassEffectFan11 wrote...

Well, you know what I mean. I wasn't saying that we should just accept that the ending sucks, I want us to keep fighting for it. I just mean that we can't demand that they make it the indoctrination theory like we have the authority to do that. They should, yes, but we can't demand that they do it and expect them to take us seriously. Yes, it's our story, and yes, we should fight for it. But we can't cuss them out if we want to get anything from it. We have to stay respectable.

While I agree with your overarching opinion--that we should fight for a change from this abomination of an ending--I disagree with the notion that we have no power to "demand" them to make our opinions "canon." If I give you a substantial portion of my money (Hey, I'm in college. $70 is a lot of damn money... lol), you damn well better believe I'm going to have bargaining power over you and over the good that I purchased, especially if that good does not provide the means and ends you described.

Look, in the end, what I'm trying to say is, we can't start swearing at Bioware if they don't give us what we want right now. We have to stay respectful, or our opinions will get no respect in return.

Basically we need to remain well behaved adults (those of us that are "adults") and not start having tantrum fits if we dont get it immediately.

I am very much an adult and I very much plan on remaining well-behaved. We aren't Commander Shepard, we can't Renegade our way into getting what we want.

I know, I was supporting what you were saying lol

[MysticFred]

At the risk of getting flamed...

Isn't it obvious at this point that the ending we got is indeed the final product? Does anyone honestly still think they have "bigger plans" and purposely left massive plot holes and clues behind for us the players to uncover?
It has been fun reading up and discovering all these details supporting the IT/Hallucination theory (hell it has kept me entertained for well over a week, that's more than I can say about the actual game..) but come on, let's be realistic...they screwed up, there's no denying that. Like my grandpa used to say, if you have to explain the joke, it's not funny.
As for Demanding an ending change and insulting Bioware, um seriously? They made Their choice, they'll just have to suffer the consequences now.

I'm sure they didn't intend to alienate their fan base like they have but it is what it is, no amount of PR will save them now.

Reality aside, I will stick with the IT theory for MY Shepard, but I'm not gonna try to shove it down everyone's throats like most are doing.

Not intended for that but, flame on I guess.

[MassEffectFan11]

Rob Psyence wrote...

MassEffectFan11 wrote...

Rob Psyence wrote...

MassEffectFan11 wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

MassEffectFan11 wrote...

Well, you know what I mean. I wasn't saying that we should just accept that the ending sucks, I want us to keep fighting for it. I just mean that we can't demand that they make it the indoctrination theory like we have the authority to do that. They should, yes, but we can't demand that they do it and expect them to take us seriously. Yes, it's our story, and yes, we should fight for it. But we can't cuss them out if we want to get anything from it. We have to stay respectable.

While I agree with your overarching opinion--that we should fight for a change from this abomination of an ending--I disagree with the notion that we have no power to "demand" them to make our opinions "canon." If I give you a substantial portion of my money (Hey, I'm in college. $70 is a lot of damn money... lol), you damn well better believe I'm going to have bargaining power over you and over the good that I purchased, especially if that good does not provide the means and ends you described.

Look, in the end, what I'm trying to say is, we can't start swearing at Bioware if they don't give us what we want right now. We have to stay respectful, or our opinions will get no respect in return.

Basically we need to remain well behaved adults (those of us that are "adults") and not start having tantrum fits if we dont get it immediately.

I am very much an adult and I very much plan on remaining well-behaved. We aren't Commander Shepard, we can't Renegade our way into getting what we want.

I know, I was supporting what you were saying lol

I know you were, I was just reiterating my point.

[MassEffectFan11]

MysticFred wrote...

At the risk of getting flamed...

Isn't it obvious at this point that the ending we got is indeed the final product? Does anyone honestly still think they have "bigger plans" and purposely left massive plot holes and clues behind for us the players to uncover?
It has been fun reading up and discovering all these details supporting the IT/Hallucination theory (hell it has kept me entertained for well over a week, that's more than I can say about the actual game..) but come on, let's be realistic...they screwed up, there's no denying that. Like my grandpa used to say, if you have to explain the joke, it's not funny.
As for Demanding an ending change and insulting Bioware, um seriously? They made Their choice, they'll just have to suffer the consequences now.

I'm sure they didn't intend to alienate their fan base like they have but it is what it is, no amount of PR will save them now.

Reality aside, I will stick with the IT theory for MY Shepard, but I'm not gonna try to shove it down everyone's throats like most are doing.

Not intended for that but, flame on I guess.

Didn't they re-write one of the Mass Effect books when it got enough negative feedback from the fans?

[wantedman dan]

MysticFred wrote...

At the risk of getting flamed...

Isn't it obvious at this point that the ending we got is indeed the final product? Does anyone honestly still think they have "bigger plans" and purposely left massive plot holes and clues behind for us the players to uncover?
It has been fun reading up and discovering all these details supporting the IT/Hallucination theory (hell it has kept me entertained for well over a week, that's more than I can say about the actual game..) but come on, let's be realistic...they screwed up, there's no denying that. Like my grandpa used to say, if you have to explain the joke, it's not funny.
As for Demanding an ending change and insulting Bioware, um seriously? They made Their choice, they'll just have to suffer the consequences now.

I'm sure they didn't intend to alienate their fan base like they have but it is what it is, no amount of PR will save them now.

Reality aside, I will stick with the IT theory for MY Shepard, but I'm not gonna try to shove it down everyone's throats like most are doing.

Not intended for that but, flame on I guess.

No, you make quite a bit of sense. This last Facebook/PR blunder of Bioware's was telling in more ways than they imagined.

[JTP117]

MassEffectFan11 wrote...

MysticFred wrote...

At the risk of getting flamed...

Isn't it obvious at this point that the ending we got is indeed the final product? Does anyone honestly still think they have "bigger plans" and purposely left massive plot holes and clues behind for us the players to uncover?
It has been fun reading up and discovering all these details supporting the IT/Hallucination theory (hell it has kept me entertained for well over a week, that's more than I can say about the actual game..) but come on, let's be realistic...they screwed up, there's no denying that. Like my grandpa used to say, if you have to explain the joke, it's not funny.
As for Demanding an ending change and insulting Bioware, um seriously? They made Their choice, they'll just have to suffer the consequences now.

I'm sure they didn't intend to alienate their fan base like they have but it is what it is, no amount of PR will save them now.

Reality aside, I will stick with the IT theory for MY Shepard, but I'm not gonna try to shove it down everyone's throats like most are doing.

Not intended for that but, flame on I guess.

Didn't they re-write one of the Mass Effect books when it got enough negative feedback from the fans?

They are doing that right now as a matter of fact. It had so many inconsistencies and plotholes that they had to recall it and start over.

[Lemonite]

RorickHuon wrote...

MassEffectFan11 wrote...

Look, in the end, what I'm trying to say is, we can't start swearing at Bioware if they don't give us what we want right now. We have to stay respectful, or our opinions will get no respect in return.

irrelevant I know, but I read that post in Anderson's voice ^^;

BAHAHAHAHAHA

Oh, Keelah, it's so true! xD

[Rob Psyence]

To me, I am being totally realistic in saying that there are a bunch of concrete clues behind some kind of intended Indoctorination angle. One of those is the fact shepard wakes up in a pile of rubble after picking destroy which tells me the catalyst ai was using deception. That and making TIM look paragon and Anderson look renegade. Those two things are the biggest evidence to me that Indoctorination on some level was fully intentional. Have some of the things in the topic been reaching too far? Yes but there are concrete observations as well.

[Either.Ardrey]

Rob Psyence wrote...

byne wrote...

The more I replay ME3, the less I understand why Bioware would choose to not explain anything in the ending, unless it was a hallucination.

I mean, Cortez just told me to relax he'd turn of his auditory emulators and watch ships fly by in silence.

Bioware really chose to explain why we can hear ships in space, which is something that is just generally accepted as the norm in any space related series, and no one ever really questioned, but didnt choose to explain a single thing about Space Magic and Godchild?

Hard to believe they'd go out of their way to explain even the smallest things, then just explain nothing in the last 10 minutes.

Also, and this isnt really relevant, but Padok Wiks, the salarian who replaces Mordin on the Normandy if you let Mordin die in ME2, is pretty awesome.

Definitely worth letting Mordin die in at least one of your ME2 games just to see Padok Wiks' face while he imagines what krogan sex would look like.

Omg Padok Wiks, he's great. I started my 2nd playthrough recently and I thought I did Mordin's loyalty mission and when I saw that I didnt and he was dead already I was so bummed. But then Wiks did that face and I cheered up, also when he talks about punching Mordin in the face over a debate about evolution lol.

Speaking about overheard dialogue, right after the mission involving Victus' son I went and talked to EDI and what did she tell me about? Earth leadership deciding if they would board one of the reapers to talk about peace. I was like wtf and my femshep says "why would they do that, they'd be indoctorinated!"

Then later on the citadel because of my me2 playthrough I met  and found out that Liara's "father" Aethya, the asari bartender that was on Illium! Needless to say the whole conversation is hilarious and gives insight on the real Benezia..lol she also claims that Liara is 1/4 Krogan because Aethya's father was a Krogan. Anyways they start talking about Cerberus and Liara exclaims All of Cerberus are Reaper slaves! ...hmm

For the Aethyna thing, when exactly did that happen? I played through ME3 paranoid and I never found that. I mean, there was the tiny tidbit in Lair of the Shadow Broker, but it wasn't expanded upon in my playthrough of ME3.

[MassEffectFan11]

Lemonite wrote...

RorickHuon wrote...

MassEffectFan11 wrote...

Look, in the end, what I'm trying to say is, we can't start swearing at Bioware if they don't give us what we want right now. We have to stay respectful, or our opinions will get no respect in return.

irrelevant I know, but I read that post in Anderson's voice ^^;

BAHAHAHAHAHA

Oh, Keelah, it's so true! xD

We've got to stick together and remember to stay loyal to Bioware. Sure, they've done us wrong now, but they did right by us for the first two games, and all but the last 10 minutes of the third. We've got to have faith that they'll listen to us.

[MongoChuck]

Something I noticed when playing the final mission again was that after Anderson dies and Shepard losses consciousness it goes to a cinematic of The Citadel opening and The Crucible. There is total silence and no Alliance ship. Only Reapers surrounding it.
But when Shepard awakes you see Reapers and Alliance ships exploding and still engaging each other. How very odd.


Go to 13:00 and take a look

Modifié par MongoChuck, 20 mars 2012 - 03:27 .

[wantedman dan]

MassEffectFan11 wrote...

Lemonite wrote...

RorickHuon wrote...

MassEffectFan11 wrote...

Look, in the end, what I'm trying to say is, we can't start swearing at Bioware if they don't give us what we want right now. We have to stay respectful, or our opinions will get no respect in return.

irrelevant I know, but I read that post in Anderson's voice ^^;

BAHAHAHAHAHA

Oh, Keelah, it's so true! xD

We've got to stick together and remember to stay loyal to Bioware. Sure, they've done us wrong now, but they did right by us for the first two games, and all but the last 10 minutes of the third. We've got to have faith that they'll listen to us.

You're being far too nice to Bioware.

Think of this as akin to receiving a three hour massage. The first two hours went well, and that third hour was some tension-relieving, heaven-sent massuse-gold. But, in the last five minutes, the masseuse puts you in a headlock and chokes you until you pass out from lack of oxygen.

You'd be pretty angry when you came-to, would you not, despite the fact that it was a damn good massage before that little choking incident?

[MysticFred]

JTP117 wrote...

MassEffectFan11 wrote...

MysticFred wrote...

At the risk of getting flamed...

Isn't it obvious at this point that the ending we got is indeed the final product? Does anyone honestly still think they have "bigger plans" and purposely left massive plot holes and clues behind for us the players to uncover?
It has been fun reading up and discovering all these details supporting the IT/Hallucination theory (hell it has kept me entertained for well over a week, that's more than I can say about the actual game..) but come on, let's be realistic...they screwed up, there's no denying that. Like my grandpa used to say, if you have to explain the joke, it's not funny.
As for Demanding an ending change and insulting Bioware, um seriously? They made Their choice, they'll just have to suffer the consequences now.

I'm sure they didn't intend to alienate their fan base like they have but it is what it is, no amount of PR will save them now.

Reality aside, I will stick with the IT theory for MY Shepard, but I'm not gonna try to shove it down everyone's throats like most are doing.

Not intended for that but, flame on I guess.

Didn't they re-write one of the Mass Effect books when it got enough negative feedback from the fans?

They are doing that right now as a matter of fact. It had so many inconsistencies and plotholes that they had to recall it and start over.

The book?

[MassEffectFan11]

wantedman dan wrote...

MassEffectFan11 wrote...

Lemonite wrote...

RorickHuon wrote...

MassEffectFan11 wrote...

Look, in the end, what I'm trying to say is, we can't start swearing at Bioware if they don't give us what we want right now. We have to stay respectful, or our opinions will get no respect in return.

irrelevant I know, but I read that post in Anderson's voice ^^;

BAHAHAHAHAHA

Oh, Keelah, it's so true! xD

We've got to stick together and remember to stay loyal to Bioware. Sure, they've done us wrong now, but they did right by us for the first two games, and all but the last 10 minutes of the third. We've got to have faith that they'll listen to us.

You're being far too nice to Bioware.

Think of this as akin to receiving a three hour massage. The first two hours went well, and that third hour was some tension-relieving, heaven-sent massuse-gold. But, in the last five minutes, the masseuse puts you in a headlock and chokes you until you pass out from lack of oxygen.

You'd be pretty angry when you came-to, would you not, despite the fact that it was a damn good massage before that little choking incident?

I was only semi-serious about that last post, I was just kinda trying to say something that I thought sounded like an Anderson line, heh.