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[Rob Psyence]

Either.Ardrey wrote...

Rob Psyence wrote...

byne wrote...

The more I replay ME3, the less I understand why Bioware would choose to not explain anything in the ending, unless it was a hallucination.

I mean, Cortez just told me to relax he'd turn of his auditory emulators and watch ships fly by in silence.

Bioware really chose to explain why we can hear ships in space, which is something that is just generally accepted as the norm in any space related series, and no one ever really questioned, but didnt choose to explain a single thing about Space Magic and Godchild?

Hard to believe they'd go out of their way to explain even the smallest things, then just explain nothing in the last 10 minutes.

Also, and this isnt really relevant, but Padok Wiks, the salarian who replaces Mordin on the Normandy if you let Mordin die in ME2, is pretty awesome.

Definitely worth letting Mordin die in at least one of your ME2 games just to see Padok Wiks' face while he imagines what krogan sex would look like.

Omg Padok Wiks, he's great. I started my 2nd playthrough recently and I thought I did Mordin's loyalty mission and when I saw that I didnt and he was dead already I was so bummed. But then Wiks did that face and I cheered up, also when he talks about punching Mordin in the face over a debate about evolution lol.

Speaking about overheard dialogue, right after the mission involving Victus' son I went and talked to EDI and what did she tell me about? Earth leadership deciding if they would board one of the reapers to talk about peace. I was like wtf and my femshep says "why would they do that, they'd be indoctorinated!"

Then later on the citadel because of my me2 playthrough I met  and found out that Liara's "father" Aethya, the asari bartender that was on Illium! Needless to say the whole conversation is hilarious and gives insight on the real Benezia..lol she also claims that Liara is 1/4 Krogan because Aethya's father was a Krogan. Anyways they start talking about Cerberus and Liara exclaims All of Cerberus are Reaper slaves! ...hmm

For the Aethyna thing, when exactly did that happen? I played through ME3 paranoid and I never found that. I mean, there was the tiny tidbit in Lair of the Shadow Broker, but it wasn't expanded upon in my playthrough of ME3.

First, sorry for misspelling her name I didn't have it infront of me lol

Anyways I completed all missions except the Genophage cure mission on Tuchunka then I went to the citadel and to the Persidium commons and went looking for Liara and seeing if any more errand missions popped up. I went to the Cafe bar and there is Aethyna so I talked to her and she told me that she is Liara's father and the asari government is having her watch liara. Aethyna threatens shepard to not hurt Liara or whatever. So I went to talk to Liara and told her about Aethnya being her "father' and Liara says she knows and you can convince her to talk to Aethyna. They have like 8 or so sets of dialogue, I kept going back and forth to hear everything cause most of it was funny lol

[wantedman dan]

MassEffectFan11 wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

MassEffectFan11 wrote...

Lemonite wrote...

RorickHuon wrote...

MassEffectFan11 wrote...

Look, in the end, what I'm trying to say is, we can't start swearing at Bioware if they don't give us what we want right now. We have to stay respectful, or our opinions will get no respect in return.

irrelevant I know, but I read that post in Anderson's voice ^^;

BAHAHAHAHAHA

Oh, Keelah, it's so true! xD

We've got to stick together and remember to stay loyal to Bioware. Sure, they've done us wrong now, but they did right by us for the first two games, and all but the last 10 minutes of the third. We've got to have faith that they'll listen to us.

You're being far too nice to Bioware.

Think of this as akin to receiving a three hour massage. The first two hours went well, and that third hour was some tension-relieving, heaven-sent massuse-gold. But, in the last five minutes, the masseuse puts you in a headlock and chokes you until you pass out from lack of oxygen.

You'd be pretty angry when you came-to, would you not, despite the fact that it was a damn good massage before that little choking incident?

I was only semi-serious about that last post, I was just kinda trying to say something that I thought sounded like an Anderson line, heh.

I'm embodying my inner-Hackett, too.

[iwillkillfortali]

Quick question about Padok if Wrex is alive and Padok cures the genophage does Wrex name his first child Padok?

[MassEffectFan11]

wantedman dan wrote...

MassEffectFan11 wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

MassEffectFan11 wrote...

Lemonite wrote...

RorickHuon wrote...

MassEffectFan11 wrote...

Look, in the end, what I'm trying to say is, we can't start swearing at Bioware if they don't give us what we want right now. We have to stay respectful, or our opinions will get no respect in return.

irrelevant I know, but I read that post in Anderson's voice ^^;

BAHAHAHAHAHA

Oh, Keelah, it's so true! xD

We've got to stick together and remember to stay loyal to Bioware. Sure, they've done us wrong now, but they did right by us for the first two games, and all but the last 10 minutes of the third. We've got to have faith that they'll listen to us.

You're being far too nice to Bioware.

Think of this as akin to receiving a three hour massage. The first two hours went well, and that third hour was some tension-relieving, heaven-sent massuse-gold. But, in the last five minutes, the masseuse puts you in a headlock and chokes you until you pass out from lack of oxygen.

You'd be pretty angry when you came-to, would you not, despite the fact that it was a damn good massage before that little choking incident?

I was only semi-serious about that last post, I was just kinda trying to say something that I thought sounded like an Anderson line, heh.

I'm embodying my inner-Hackett, too.

Admiral. *salutes* I respect your opinion but believe that the only way to solve this problem is through being tough and respectful, and not letting our anger get the better of us.

Modifié par MassEffectFan11, 20 mars 2012 - 03:35 .

[Rob Psyence]

iwillkillfortali wrote...

Quick question about Padok if Wrex is alive and Padok cures the genophage does Wrex name his first child Padok?

I wouldn't know :/  Wrex is dead in my playthrough, I have to deal with that douchebag Wreav.

[ArkkAngel007]

MysticFred wrote...

At the risk of getting flamed...

Isn't it obvious at this point that the ending we got is indeed the final product? Does anyone honestly still think they have "bigger plans" and purposely left massive plot holes and clues behind for us the players to uncover?
It has been fun reading up and discovering all these details supporting the IT/Hallucination theory (hell it has kept me entertained for well over a week, that's more than I can say about the actual game..) but come on, let's be realistic...they screwed up, there's no denying that. Like my grandpa used to say, if you have to explain the joke, it's not funny.
As for Demanding an ending change and insulting Bioware, um seriously? They made Their choice, they'll just have to suffer the consequences now.

I'm sure they didn't intend to alienate their fan base like they have but it is what it is, no amount of PR will save them now.

Reality aside, I will stick with the IT theory for MY Shepard, but I'm not gonna try to shove it down everyone's throats like most are doing.

Not intended for that but, flame on I guess.

Considering you came in here not telling us how much we are idiots and not trying to force your hatred on the endings on us while selling us the ReTake movement as if we weren't supporters in the first place, relax and welcome to the thread!

Yeah, it's a real possiblility that the ending is what it is at face-value.  However, it's still only speculation at this point.  We'll have to see what BioWare plans for their panal at PAXE.

[JTP117]

MysticFred wrote...

JTP117 wrote...

MassEffectFan11 wrote...

MysticFred wrote...

At the risk of getting flamed...

Isn't it obvious at this point that the ending we got is indeed the final product? Does anyone honestly still think they have "bigger plans" and purposely left massive plot holes and clues behind for us the players to uncover?
It has been fun reading up and discovering all these details supporting the IT/Hallucination theory (hell it has kept me entertained for well over a week, that's more than I can say about the actual game..) but come on, let's be realistic...they screwed up, there's no denying that. Like my grandpa used to say, if you have to explain the joke, it's not funny.
As for Demanding an ending change and insulting Bioware, um seriously? They made Their choice, they'll just have to suffer the consequences now.

I'm sure they didn't intend to alienate their fan base like they have but it is what it is, no amount of PR will save them now.

Reality aside, I will stick with the IT theory for MY Shepard, but I'm not gonna try to shove it down everyone's throats like most are doing.

Not intended for that but, flame on I guess.

Didn't they re-write one of the Mass Effect books when it got enough negative feedback from the fans?

They are doing that right now as a matter of fact. It had so many inconsistencies and plotholes that they had to recall it and start over.

The book?

Yes, the book that would take place after the Grayson indoctrination incident

[Sharkey1337]

So on the timing factor of when Shepard faces indoctrination, is everyone thinking it's right after being shot at Harbinger? For me I keep thinking it's possible that it happens as soon as he passes out and you see him being lifted into the ceiling. Watch the vid at 13:50 to see this moment: 
 

After you go into the ceiling you notice the same light bloom that happened with the dream sequences. Also, this makes more sense to me as the TIM encounter had TIM controlling Shepard through some sort of indoctrination, thus starting the process. The Horizon facility mentioned the importance of adrenaline in making indoctrination more viable for subjects, and at this point Shepard is running on nothing but adrenaline with the shape he's in.

I really like this idea that it happens at this moment, after the TIM and Anderson encounter, as that was a great moment that resonated with the series. It was only after being taken into the ceiling that the ending goes ape**** with demonchild showing up and messing with you. The only flaw about this is indeed the secret Destroy ending with Shepard waking up in rubble, which points toward being back on Earth after being shot by Harbinger. But yeah, not the strongest idea, but seems rather decent to me despite the rubble scene rather shooting it down.

Modifié par Sharkey1337, 20 mars 2012 - 03:41 .

[iwillkillfortali]

Rob Psyence wrote...

iwillkillfortali wrote...

Quick question about Padok if Wrex is alive and Padok cures the genophage does Wrex name his first child Padok?

I wouldn't know :/  Wrex is dead in my playthrough, I have to deal with that douchebag Wreav.

That was useless.

[wantedman dan]

MassEffectFan11 wrote...

Admiral. *salutes* I respect your opinion but believe that the only way to solve this solution is through being tough and respectful, and not letting our anger get the better of us.

Admiral.

These people need to stop screwing with us, Anderson. I trust you to hold the line.

I've got important matters to attend to, like finally getting some damn sleep. Fifth Fleet, Georgetown, Ky division, out.

[Dwailing]

JTP117 wrote...

MysticFred wrote...

JTP117 wrote...

MassEffectFan11 wrote...

MysticFred wrote...

At the risk of getting flamed...

Isn't it obvious at this point that the ending we got is indeed the final product? Does anyone honestly still think they have "bigger plans" and purposely left massive plot holes and clues behind for us the players to uncover?
It has been fun reading up and discovering all these details supporting the IT/Hallucination theory (hell it has kept me entertained for well over a week, that's more than I can say about the actual game..) but come on, let's be realistic...they screwed up, there's no denying that. Like my grandpa used to say, if you have to explain the joke, it's not funny.
As for Demanding an ending change and insulting Bioware, um seriously? They made Their choice, they'll just have to suffer the consequences now.

I'm sure they didn't intend to alienate their fan base like they have but it is what it is, no amount of PR will save them now.

Reality aside, I will stick with the IT theory for MY Shepard, but I'm not gonna try to shove it down everyone's throats like most are doing.

Not intended for that but, flame on I guess.

Didn't they re-write one of the Mass Effect books when it got enough negative feedback from the fans?

They are doing that right now as a matter of fact. It had so many inconsistencies and plotholes that they had to recall it and start over.

The book?

Yes, the book that would take place after the Grayson indoctrination incident

Mass Effect: Deception; it was the most hated name in the ME universe until the ME3 endings were discovered.  I was there, on the front lines.  I was on the thread that was responsible for Bioware changing it.  I held the line then, and I will now.  Keelah Se'lai!  Louisville, KY Turians holding the line.

Edit: I should point out that I am glad I'm not the only Kentuckian on this thread.  After the numbers that showed up for the launch in Louisville, I figured there had to be at least one other on the threads.  (There were, like, 30 to 40 people at the GameStop, that's a pretty fair number for Louisville if you ask me. )

Modifié par Dwailing, 20 mars 2012 - 03:51 .

[MassEffectFan11]

wantedman dan wrote...

MassEffectFan11 wrote...

Admiral. *salutes* I respect your opinion but believe that the only way to solve this solution is through being tough and respectful, and not letting our anger get the better of us.

Admiral.

These people need to stop screwing with us, Anderson. I trust you to hold the line.

I've got important matters to attend to, like finally getting some damn sleep. Fifth Fleet, Georgetown, Ky division, out.

Will do, Admiral. I'll do my best to hold out for now. I won't let you down, Admiral. Earth Resistance, Seattle, Wa division, out.

But not really.

[MysticFred]

JTP117 wrote...

MysticFred wrote...

JTP117 wrote...

MassEffectFan11 wrote...

MysticFred wrote...

At the risk of getting flamed...

Isn't it obvious at this point that the ending we got is indeed the final product? Does anyone honestly still think they have "bigger plans" and purposely left massive plot holes and clues behind for us the players to uncover?
It has been fun reading up and discovering all these details supporting the IT/Hallucination theory (hell it has kept me entertained for well over a week, that's more than I can say about the actual game..) but come on, let's be realistic...they screwed up, there's no denying that. Like my grandpa used to say, if you have to explain the joke, it's not funny.
As for Demanding an ending change and insulting Bioware, um seriously? They made Their choice, they'll just have to suffer the consequences now.

I'm sure they didn't intend to alienate their fan base like they have but it is what it is, no amount of PR will save them now.

Reality aside, I will stick with the IT theory for MY Shepard, but I'm not gonna try to shove it down everyone's throats like most are doing.

Not intended for that but, flame on I guess.

Didn't they re-write one of the Mass Effect books when it got enough negative feedback from the fans?

They are doing that right now as a matter of fact. It had so many inconsistencies and plotholes that they had to recall it and start over.

The book?

Yes, the book that would take place after the Grayson indoctrination incident

Well that's interesting.

Anyways, I posted this quote back in page 500ish, but here it goes again 'cause I like it 

"The problem with any idea is the fact that the more it gets bandied about, the more feasible it seems to become. What starts out as idle speculation -can become, once others are drawn into it, a kind of obligation." 

[JTP117]

Dwailing wrote...

JTP117 wrote...

MysticFred wrote...

JTP117 wrote...

MassEffectFan11 wrote...

MysticFred wrote...

At the risk of getting flamed...

Isn't it obvious at this point that the ending we got is indeed the final product? Does anyone honestly still think they have "bigger plans" and purposely left massive plot holes and clues behind for us the players to uncover?
It has been fun reading up and discovering all these details supporting the IT/Hallucination theory (hell it has kept me entertained for well over a week, that's more than I can say about the actual game..) but come on, let's be realistic...they screwed up, there's no denying that. Like my grandpa used to say, if you have to explain the joke, it's not funny.
As for Demanding an ending change and insulting Bioware, um seriously? They made Their choice, they'll just have to suffer the consequences now.

I'm sure they didn't intend to alienate their fan base like they have but it is what it is, no amount of PR will save them now.

Reality aside, I will stick with the IT theory for MY Shepard, but I'm not gonna try to shove it down everyone's throats like most are doing.

Not intended for that but, flame on I guess.

Didn't they re-write one of the Mass Effect books when it got enough negative feedback from the fans?

They are doing that right now as a matter of fact. It had so many inconsistencies and plotholes that they had to recall it and start over.

The book?

Yes, the book that would take place after the Grayson indoctrination incident

Mass Effect: Deception; it was the most hated name in the ME universe until the ME3 endings were discovered.  I was there, on the front lines.  I was on the thread that was responsible for Bioware changing it.  I held the line then, and I will now.  Keelah Se'lai!  Louisville, KY Turians holding the line.

*salutes* Glad to have a vet in the front lines beside me. Glad to have you here, friend.

[Dwailing]

JTP117 wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

JTP117 wrote...

MysticFred wrote...

JTP117 wrote...

MassEffectFan11 wrote...

MysticFred wrote...

At the risk of getting flamed...

Isn't it obvious at this point that the ending we got is indeed the final product? Does anyone honestly still think they have "bigger plans" and purposely left massive plot holes and clues behind for us the players to uncover?
It has been fun reading up and discovering all these details supporting the IT/Hallucination theory (hell it has kept me entertained for well over a week, that's more than I can say about the actual game..) but come on, let's be realistic...they screwed up, there's no denying that. Like my grandpa used to say, if you have to explain the joke, it's not funny.
As for Demanding an ending change and insulting Bioware, um seriously? They made Their choice, they'll just have to suffer the consequences now.

I'm sure they didn't intend to alienate their fan base like they have but it is what it is, no amount of PR will save them now.

Reality aside, I will stick with the IT theory for MY Shepard, but I'm not gonna try to shove it down everyone's throats like most are doing.

Not intended for that but, flame on I guess.

Didn't they re-write one of the Mass Effect books when it got enough negative feedback from the fans?

They are doing that right now as a matter of fact. It had so many inconsistencies and plotholes that they had to recall it and start over.

The book?

Yes, the book that would take place after the Grayson indoctrination incident

Mass Effect: Deception; it was the most hated name in the ME universe until the ME3 endings were discovered.  I was there, on the front lines.  I was on the thread that was responsible for Bioware changing it.  I held the line then, and I will now.  Keelah Se'lai!  Louisville, KY Turians holding the line.

*salutes* Glad to have a vet in the front lines beside me. Glad to have you here, friend.

*salutes back* Thanks, just glad I can contribute again.

[LadyVakarian]

 I agree completely with this theory but I wanted to touch on the subjects of the dreams for a little bit. If it WASN'T supposed to be an indoctrination attempt, I would have liked to see the dreams a little more along these lines:

1st Dream: Shepard wakes up to see she is on Virmire. She can see Ashley/Kaiden on their comm talking to you from ME1. You can hear everything, but no matter what you do, they don't acknowledge you. UNTIL they are done talking. *cue scary music* They look at you and start verbally assaulting you, asking you why you left her and then you wake up in a cold sweat (thoughts? I had a more in depth idea, but can't quite describe it.)

2nd Dream: Shepard finds herself in the Collector Ship, but things are different, like she is looking through glass. Then the screen pans out to find that Shep is in one of the melting tubes that the reapers used to refine the humans into genetic matter. As you struggle to get out, all of the people that died in the suicide mission (or if no one did, a combo of husks and collectors) come out of the darkness and begin to watch and laugh, not helping you. Some of them ask you why you left them behind, how you could live with yourself knowing that you left them to rot. You hear the sound of grinding below your feet and see the blades (or whatever the pods use) begin to turn. Your Shep screams and wakes up right before you get melted.

3rd Dream: Shepard is in that dark forest, looking around. Out from behind the trees comes Mordin, Thane, Legion, and all of your loved ones (crew) that have died along the way. They all look so happy to see you, and your Shepard begins to think that s/he is having a good dream for once. As your Shepard runs to them they surround her. After a quick pause, you realise the smiles on the faces of your fallen comrades is not relief to see you, rather they are sinister, like they know something you don't. The screen pans to Shepards face only to see that s/he is mortified. Her friends' faces begin to darken and mutate into Husks. The huskified friends part and in walks your romance (if you never had one, it's Yourself or Anderson) character. They grab you in their arms (if LI) and smile. Your Shep looks up to them (or down if it's a he) with tears in their eyes. Shep says, "Why are they all husks, why are they like this?" (Or something like that) All they do is smile back and say something like, "You failed. Everyone around you is dead... you just don't know it yet." Your LI begins to morph into a husk. Your Shep desperately tries to fight to get out of their arms and the LI is still smiling at you. (Liara or Samara turn into a banshee and screams or something; Garrus begins to turn into a brute or Marauder; Tali takes off her mask to reveil a mutilated husk-like face; Ashley, Traynor, Cortez, Jacob, Miranda, Diana, Jack and Kaidan turn into husks(Same with Anderson or your own Shep); Thane morphs into something truly revolting) Instead of waking up like they do, your Shep wakes up kicking and screaming and your LI is fighting to wake you up. If you don't have a LI, EDI attempts to wake you. 

Now tell me these wouldn't be cooler dreams? They would shake me to my core, I know that for a fact!  Thoughts? 

[panamakira]

This is probably not related to current conversation but I just saw a video that is bothering me about EDI.

Did anybody notice how EDI eyes match the Illusive Man's, Saren's and Shep's eyes on synthesis/control ending? You guys remember that theory with the three circles inside the eyes.

Just saw a close up of EDI in a video and her eyes look exactly like the Illusive Man. Is it because her body belonged to someone indoctrinated? Just wondering.....

[Dwailing]

OK, time to go to bed. Don't worry, I'll be line holding in my sleep, and I'll definitely be here in spirit. See you all tomorrow. Keelah Se'lai, and hold the line!

[JTP117]

panamakira wrote...

This is probably not related to current conversation but I just saw a video that is bothering me about EDI.

Did anybody notice how EDI eyes match the Illusive Man's, Saren's and Shep's eyes on synthesis/control ending? You guys remember that theory with the three circles inside the eyes.

Just saw a close up of EDI in a video and her eyes look exactly like the Illusive Man. Is it because her body belonged to someone indoctrinated? Just wondering.....

I think the body was just built like that but you don't really see it until the ending because the bright green accents those features

[panamakira]

JTP117 wrote...

panamakira wrote...

This is probably not related to current conversation but I just saw a video that is bothering me about EDI.

Did anybody notice how EDI eyes match the Illusive Man's, Saren's and Shep's eyes on synthesis/control ending? You guys remember that theory with the three circles inside the eyes.

Just saw a close up of EDI in a video and her eyes look exactly like the Illusive Man. Is it because her body belonged to someone indoctrinated? Just wondering.....

I think the body was just built like that but you don't really see it until the ending because the bright green accents those features

Just wondering because I saw a close up of her face in the Goodbye scene in London. 
Never noticed that before.

Modifié par panamakira, 20 mars 2012 - 04:26 .

[JTP117]

panamakira wrote...

JTP117 wrote...

panamakira wrote...

This is probably not related to current conversation but I just saw a video that is bothering me about EDI.

Did anybody notice how EDI eyes match the Illusive Man's, Saren's and Shep's eyes on synthesis/control ending? You guys remember that theory with the three circles inside the eyes.

Just saw a close up of EDI in a video and her eyes look exactly like the Illusive Man. Is it because her body belonged to someone indoctrinated? Just wondering.....

I think the body was just built like that but you don't really see it until the ending because the bright green accents those features

Just wondering because I saw a close up of her face in the Goodbye scene in London. 
Never noticed that before.

well as most cerberus things are, Dr. Eve's body was most likely made using recovered reaper tech, so it makes sense for her eyes to resemble TIM's

[Sajuro]

Honestly whatever Bioware does will just add to the **** storm, people will complain if they change the ending and they will complain if they don't
At this point the only way out would be to
1) Hope Valve releases Half Life 3 where Gordon Freeman spouts one liners after every kill and dual wields machine guns.
2) Punch the studio that is making Game of Thrones in the face and then make said game.
3) Refuge in audacity and hope everyone's brain explodes at the same time.
4) Make a Pokemon trilogy with dialogue wheel and in the second game you work with Team Rocket after they bring you back to life through the Pokezerus project.
5) Release Jade Empire 2, Dragon Age 3, and a Kickass new series (Pokemon Effect?) and hope the nerdgasm erases the anger for even a moment.

[MaroonMoore93]

We're recieving more support like this with every passing day. Keep up the good work, Commander.

Hackett out.

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

MaroonMoore93 wrote...

We're recieving more support like this with every passing day. Keep up the good work, Commander.

Hackett out.

Do you/Anyone else know the number of War Assets(news sites) so far.

[RorickHuon]

Dude said he dubunked the theory by using a cable? what do you guys think?