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RorickHuon wrote...


Dude said he dubunked the theory by using a cable? what do you guys think?


Without even watching the video I can guess that most of what he debunks are circumstantial at best and does not cover the several other main points of this theory lol. That's how the last several "Debunked" vids have been

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RorickHuon wrote...


Dude said he dubunked the theory by using a cable? what do you guys think?


...still looks like rebar to me.

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JTP117 wrote...

RorickHuon wrote...


Dude said he dubunked the theory by using a cable? what do you guys think?


Without even watching the video I can guess that most of what he debunks are circumstantial at best and does not cover the several other main points of this theory lol. That's how the last several "Debunked" vids have been

People mention things like "K...how would Shepard breath in space" and he just says they are delusuinal, its on the citadel not earth. Yup....troll.

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RorickHuon wrote...


Dude said he dubunked the theory by using a cable? what do you guys think?


But that makes no sense since the citadel exploded meaning Shep would be vaporized/burned , not taking a breath as in a near death experience from harbinger's laser.That metal support is usually found in buildings or roads which means Shep is on earth.

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RorickHuon wrote...

JTP117 wrote...

RorickHuon wrote...


Dude said he dubunked the theory by using a cable? what do you guys think?


Without even watching the video I can guess that most of what he debunks are circumstantial at best and does not cover the several other main points of this theory lol. That's how the last several "Debunked" vids have been

People mention things like "K...how would Shepard breath in space" and he just says they are delusuinal, its on the citadel not earth. Yup....troll.


Haha figured.

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LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

RorickHuon wrote...


Dude said he dubunked the theory by using a cable? what do you guys think?


But that makes no sense since the citadel exploded meaning Shep would be vaporized/burned , not taking a breath as in a near death experience from harbinger's laser.That metal support is usually found in buildings or roads which means Shep is on earth.

Doesn't matter to him lol He thinks its fact, I say wait until DLc comes out to place your life on the cable theory lol

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RorickHuon wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

RorickHuon wrote...


Dude said he dubunked the theory by using a cable? what do you guys think?


But that makes no sense since the citadel exploded meaning Shep would be vaporized/burned , not taking a breath as in a near death experience from harbinger's laser.That metal support is usually found in buildings or roads which means Shep is on earth.

Doesn't matter to him lol He thinks its fact, I say wait until DLc comes out to place your life on the cable theory lol


Of course , but I was just saying why he's wrong or indoctrinated.

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LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

RorickHuon wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

RorickHuon wrote...


Dude said he dubunked the theory by using a cable? what do you guys think?


But that makes no sense since the citadel exploded meaning Shep would be vaporized/burned , not taking a breath as in a near death experience from harbinger's laser.That metal support is usually found in buildings or roads which means Shep is on earth.

Doesn't matter to him lol He thinks its fact, I say wait until DLc comes out to place your life on the cable theory lol


Of course , but I was just saying why he's wrong or indoctrinated.

Def 
indoctrinated! lol

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RorickHuon wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

RorickHuon wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

RorickHuon wrote...


Dude said he dubunked the theory by using a cable? what do you guys think?


But that makes no sense since the citadel exploded meaning Shep would be vaporized/burned , not taking a breath as in a near death experience from harbinger's laser.That metal support is usually found in buildings or roads which means Shep is on earth.

Doesn't matter to him lol He thinks its fact, I say wait until DLc comes out to place your life on the cable theory lol


Of course , but I was just saying why he's wrong or indoctrinated.

Def 
indoctrinated! lol

I swear I saw this exact conversation a few hundred pages back :blink:
The cycle is repeating!

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RorickHuon

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Sajuro wrote...

RorickHuon wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

RorickHuon wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

RorickHuon wrote...


Dude said he dubunked the theory by using a cable? what do you guys think?


But that makes no sense since the citadel exploded meaning Shep would be vaporized/burned , not taking a breath as in a near death experience from harbinger's laser.That metal support is usually found in buildings or roads which means Shep is on earth.

Doesn't matter to him lol He thinks its fact, I say wait until DLc comes out to place your life on the cable theory lol


Of course , but I was just saying why he's wrong or indoctrinated.

Def 
indoctrinated! lol

I swear I saw this exact conversation a few hundred pages back :blink:
The cycle is repeating!


Oh gosh....quick call shep....crap....

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If anyone gets this right I will trust you all. X+2=1

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Bawbtheepic wrote...

If anyone gets this right I will trust you all. X+2=1


X = -1

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Bawbtheepic wrote...

If anyone gets this right I will trust you all. X+2=1


X=:wizard:

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RorickHuon wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

RorickHuon wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

RorickHuon wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

RorickHuon wrote...


Dude said he dubunked the theory by using a cable? what do you guys think?


But that makes no sense since the citadel exploded meaning Shep would be vaporized/burned , not taking a breath as in a near death experience from harbinger's laser.That metal support is usually found in buildings or roads which means Shep is on earth.

Doesn't matter to him lol He thinks its fact, I say wait until DLc comes out to place your life on the cable theory lol


Of course , but I was just saying why he's wrong or indoctrinated.

Def 
indoctrinated! lol

I swear I saw this exact conversation a few hundred pages back :blink:
The cycle is repeating!


Oh gosh....quick call shep....crap....

That video does not debunk anything, all it prooves is that the artists like to use the same art assets.

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Ivucci wrote...

- No way the child in the vent was real or at least “normal”
Related: do you also see a burnt spot in the vent when you look back in? has it been noted as significant that the husks seem to be attacking and breaking in the building the child was in?

- The whole “ending” – everything that is shown after Shepard is knocked out by the beam - is so weird and has such a dreamy feel that again I didn’t, not even for one second, think it was supposed to be taken literally and seriously as a “real” ending with plot holes

- The scene with Joker+EDI and potentially squadmates stepping out of Normandy seems about as real and “normal” as the kid in the vents. The way they descend so peacefully and gracefully with that serene smile on their face, the paradise feel – totally inappropriate for the situation – Shepard potentially dead, billions dead, half of galaxy destroyed. My immediate thought was that the scene might not be real.

I simply don’t believe that all this is a result of poor writing, I don’t believe that Bioware left plot holes in their ending, I don’t believe it was a failed attempt at artistry – I believe we haven’t been told/shown everything. I’m not gonna speculate on why would Bioware play this highly complicated game with us, it does feel suspicious I have to admit!

I’m not angry, I don’t feel betrayed, I can’t even say if I like or dislike the ending (while completely loving the game in general) until (if?) I have more info – but damn yes I would definitely welcome some answers (and a closure and more time to say goodbye to the story, exactly).

Indoctrination theory makes sense to me, and many thanks for a great read. I won’t cling to it as a “solution”, I’m still in the processing phase. That's why I don't have any challenge or counter arguments, sorry.

This is pretty similar to my initial reactions.  Good points about the "serene" expressions on the faces of the crewmates getting off the Normandy.  I'm just quoting most of your post because I think it's really well written.

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Vandicus wrote...

Bawbtheepic wrote...

If anyone gets this right I will trust you all. X+2=1


X=:wizard:


I like your answer better lol :D

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RorickHuon wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

RorickHuon wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

RorickHuon wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

RorickHuon wrote...


Dude said he dubunked the theory by using a cable? what do you guys think?


But that makes no sense since the citadel exploded meaning Shep would be vaporized/burned , not taking a breath as in a near death experience from harbinger's laser.That metal support is usually found in buildings or roads which means Shep is on earth.

Doesn't matter to him lol He thinks its fact, I say wait until DLc comes out to place your life on the cable theory lol


Of course , but I was just saying why he's wrong or indoctrinated.

Def 
indoctrinated! lol

I swear I saw this exact conversation a few hundred pages back :blink:
The cycle is repeating!


Oh gosh....quick call shep....crap....

Eh, he'll just discover that it's all being planned by a spectral God-Child and he'll eventually have to choose to end the cycle by making the site's background go from black to either red, blue, or green.

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Bawbtheepic wrote...

If anyone gets this right I will trust you all. X+2=1


X= -1 what do I win??? :wizard: I hope it's not more space magic...:pinched:

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A twist to add to this Theory, may be grasping at straws, draw your own conclusions:

If Shepard is undergoing Indoctrination from everything after being hit by Harbingers beam, what if it's The Illusive Man's new indoctrination that is trying to take over his/her body, but after paragoning/renegading the hell out of him during said indoctrination (either ending in you shooting him or making him shoot himself), the Reaper's take over the indoctrination attempt. Since the Reapers "control" the illusive man this could be their plan to capture Shepard. This would explain the 3 choices a little differently/clearly (assuming you've unlocked all 3): The blue, control option, represents The Illusive Mans will, the green Synthesis option represents the Reapers will, and the red destroy option represents Shepards will trying to maintain itself.

Something to think about, probably reaching too far though...

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LadyVakarian wrote...

Bawbtheepic wrote...

If anyone gets this right I will trust you all. X+2=1


X= -1 what do I win??? :wizard: I hope it's not more space magic...:pinched:


We better not win space magic if we do I might fart fairy dust monkey snot

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JTP117 wrote...

panamakira wrote...

JTP117 wrote...

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This is probably not related to current conversation but I just saw a video that is bothering me about EDI.

Did anybody notice how EDI eyes match the Illusive Man's, Saren's and Shep's eyes on synthesis/control ending? You guys remember that theory with the three circles inside the eyes.

Just saw a close up of EDI in a video and her eyes look exactly like the Illusive Man. Is it because her body belonged to someone indoctrinated? Just wondering.....


I think the body was just built like that but you don't really see it until the ending because the bright green accents those features


Just wondering because I saw a close up of her face in the Goodbye scene in London. 
Never noticed that before.

well as most cerberus things are, Dr. Eve's body was most likely made using recovered reaper tech, so it makes sense for her eyes to resemble TIM's


Or because, you know, she's a frickin' robot and she'll look like whatever her designers wanted her to look like.

Seriously people.  EDI's eyes?  If her ears were pointed, would that mean she was a goddamn elf?!  I can't believe that topic is still being discussed.

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Pfft...it's not space magic....it's um...a free....Leaf?

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Bawbtheepic wrote...

Pfft...it's not space magic....it's um...a free....Leaf?


Phew! Thank the Goddess! I needed a new leaf! :D

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Throwing my thoughts into the fire.

http://social.biowar.../index/10290630

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LadyVakarian wrote...

Bawbtheepic wrote...

Pfft...it's not space magic....it's um...a free....Leaf?


Phew! Thank the Goddess! I needed a new leaf! :D


Oh thank God I was afraid you were gonna say Krogan porno