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#18501
Sajuro

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What should we re-litigate now?

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RADIUMEYEZ

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LadyVakarian wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

RADIUMEYEZ wrote...

LadyVakarian wrote...

Bawbtheepic wrote...

Pfft...it's not space magic....it's um...a free....Leaf?


Phew! Thank the Goddess! I needed a new leaf! :D


Oh thank God I was afraid you were gonna say Krogan porno


Or the Krogan edition of fornax:blink:


All my friends thought I was weird for being excited when I was able to by the hanar fornax in ME2. I thought it was funny! :P


Glad I'm not the only one who bought it xD

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Bawbtheepic wrote...

@JTP really? I did not know that...


Not tomorrow specifically, but in the past, their major announcements always fall on a tuesday so I assume if we hear anything major this week it will be tomorrow. If not tomorrow, next tues, and if not then, they will most likely announce what they are doing at PAX

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thegame30 wrote...

What i found odd about the 3 choices was how they were displayed.
TIM is clearly a renegade but the control option is display blue instead of red.
Then the destroy option is display as red with Anderson which is clearly a paragon character.
Finally the Starkid says "oh but there is a 3rd option" and he explain why is the best possible outcome. The 3rd option is what Saren wanted after he was implanted by Sovereign making him cybernetic.
What if some how Shepard cybernetic implants are similar, i know we find some vids on the game about the Lazarus project but what if....


That would mean the reaper nanites took control of implants in the Control/Synthesis while the nanites are destroyed in the destroy ending.

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Bawbtheepic wrote...

Okay guys, if you could get these two enings, which one would you choose?
Save the universe with the sacrifice of your LI.

Or

Master Chief comes to the mass effect universe in a covenant ship and helps destroy the reapers.


The Master Chief one because he would smack the star child in the face with a magnum

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JTP117 wrote...

nighthawk132651 wrote...

Any good new my fellow N7 soldiers?(tweets posts anything form bioware or the/rEApers?


Keep your eyes peeled in the morning. Tuesday is Bioware's day for announcements

okay will do will make a check up later and see how where doing here
Holding The Line here in Arizona. (space magic will help hold the line along with commander Marauder Shields we hold the linePosted Image)

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I don't know if anyone cared to read any of this, but I wanted to know if anyone had thoughts on my ideas, so I am posting it again. Sorry if I offend :unsure:

LadyVakarian wrote...

 I agree completely with this theory but I wanted to touch on the subjects of the dreams for a little bit. If it WASN'T supposed to be an indoctrination attempt, I would have liked to see the dreams a little more along these lines:

1st Dream: Shepard wakes up to see she is on Virmire. She can see Ashley/Kaiden on their comm talking to you from ME1. You can hear everything, but no matter what you do, they don't acknowledge you. UNTIL they are done talking. *cue scary music* They look at you and start verbally assaulting you, asking you why you left her and then you wake up in a cold sweat (thoughts? I had a more in depth idea, but can't quite describe it.)

2nd Dream: Shepard finds herself in the Collector Ship, but things are different, like she is looking through glass. Then the screen pans out to find that Shep is in one of the melting tubes that the reapers used to refine the humans into genetic matter. As you struggle to get out, all of the people that died in the suicide mission (or if no one did, a combo of husks and collectors) come out of the darkness and begin to watch and laugh, not helping you. Some of them ask you why you left them behind, how you could live with yourself knowing that you left them to rot. You hear the sound of grinding below your feet and see the blades (or whatever the pods use) begin to turn. Your Shep screams and wakes up right before you get melted.

3rd Dream: Shepard is in that dark forest, looking around. Out from behind the trees comes Mordin, Thane, Legion, and all of your loved ones (crew) that have died along the way. They all look so happy to see you, and your Shepard begins to think that s/he is having a good dream for once. As your Shepard runs to them they surround her. After a quick pause, you realise the smiles on the faces of your fallen comrades is not relief to see you, rather they are sinister, like they know something you don't. The screen pans to Shepards face only to see that s/he is mortified. Her friends' faces begin to darken and mutate into Husks. The huskified friends part and in walks your romance (if you never had one, it's Yourself or Anderson) character. They grab you in their arms (if LI) and smile. Your Shep looks up to them (or down if it's a he) with tears in their eyes. Shep says, "Why are they all husks, why are they like this?" (Or something like that) All they do is smile back and say something like, "You failed. Everyone around you is dead... you just don't know it yet." Your LI begins to morph into a husk. Your Shep desperately tries to fight to get out of their arms and the LI is still smiling at you. (Liara or Samara turn into a banshee and screams or something; Garrus begins to turn into a brute or Marauder; Tali takes off her mask to reveil a mutilated husk-like face; Ashley, Traynor, Cortez, Jacob, Miranda, Diana, Jack and Kaidan turn into husks(Same with Anderson or your own Shep); Thane morphs into something truly revolting) Instead of waking up like they do, your Shep wakes up kicking and screaming and your LI is fighting to wake you up. If you don't have a LI, EDI attempts to wake you. 

Now tell me these wouldn't be cooler dreams? They would shake me to my core, I know that for a fact! :blink: Thoughts? 


and @Bawbtheepic, I pick the latter of the two ;)

Modifié par LadyVakarian, 20 mars 2012 - 05:32 .


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thegame30 wrote...

What i found odd about the 3 choices was how they were displayed.
TIM is clearly a renegade but the control option is display blue instead of red.
Then the destroy option is display as red with Anderson which is clearly a paragon character.
Finally the Starkid says "oh but there is a 3rd option" and he explain why is the best possible outcome. The 3rd option is what Saren wanted after he was implanted by Sovereign making him cybernetic.
What if some how Shepard cybernetic implants are similar, i know we find some vids on the game about the Lazarus project but what if....

It makes sense. The Reapers want Shepard to choose Synthesis or Control. If he chooses Synthesis (green, a soothing color), then he does just what they want. If he chooses Control (supposedly Paragon, so he might lean towards that), then he gains control while indoctrinated...still gets them what they want. So they show Destroy, the one outcome they don't want, as a dark, blood red, to symbolize Renegade and scare Shepard away from choosing it.

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thegame30 wrote...

What i found odd about the 3 choices was how they were displayed.
TIM is clearly a renegade but the control option is display blue instead of red.
Then the destroy option is display as red with Anderson which is clearly a paragon character.
Finally the Starkid says "oh but there is a 3rd option" and he explain why is the best possible outcome. The 3rd option is what Saren wanted after he was implanted by Sovereign making him cybernetic.
What if some how Shepard cybernetic implants are similar, i know we find some vids on the game about the Lazarus project but what if....


and TIM was blue in his wounds, Shep was red

really cant be more obvious as thsat bastard is not paragade yet.....it was blue as was the option that would save the reapers

Javik said i think the only solution was destroy them in the last talk i had. Cant quote it but i recall that

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an update to the amazing indoc theory video on youtube. Lets get this thing spread and maybe bioware will see it

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The video I mentioned earlier with James talking about a humming sound. Maybe it is nothing, but why bother bringning it up? Seems to random.

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RADIUMEYEZ wrote...

LadyVakarian wrote...

All my friends thought I was weird for being excited when I was able to by the hanar fornax in ME2. I thought it was funny! :P


Glad I'm not the only one who bought it xD


I was just kinda bummed I couldn't read any of it. NO, I didn't wanna see pics, but I couldn't even leave it on my desk for people to tease me or prank Grunt by putting it in his tank and then lecturing him on the dangers of being a teenager. :D

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MassEffectFan11 wrote...

thegame30 wrote...

What i found odd about the 3 choices was how they were displayed.
TIM is clearly a renegade but the control option is display blue instead of red.
Then the destroy option is display as red with Anderson which is clearly a paragon character.
Finally the Starkid says "oh but there is a 3rd option" and he explain why is the best possible outcome. The 3rd option is what Saren wanted after he was implanted by Sovereign making him cybernetic.
What if some how Shepard cybernetic implants are similar, i know we find some vids on the game about the Lazarus project but what if....

It makes sense. The Reapers want Shepard to choose Synthesis or Control. If he chooses Synthesis (green, a soothing color), then he does just what they want. If he chooses Control (supposedly Paragon, so he might lean towards that), then he gains control while indoctrinated...still gets them what they want. So they show Destroy, the one outcome they don't want, as a dark, blood red, to symbolize Renegade and scare Shepard away from choosing it.


Not to mention that destroy is the option that the godchild makes sure to describe as the worst, like he's trying to steer you away from it intentionally

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LadyVakarian wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

RADIUMEYEZ wrote...

LadyVakarian wrote...

Bawbtheepic wrote...

Pfft...it's not space magic....it's um...a free....Leaf?


Phew! Thank the Goddess! I needed a new leaf! :D


Oh thank God I was afraid you were gonna say Krogan porno


Or the Krogan edition of fornax:blink:


All my friends thought I was weird for being excited when I was able to by the hanar fornax in ME2. I thought it was funny! :P


I bought it in ME2 because I thought it was a fish.  Needless, to say, I was mildly horrified by my new codex entry.

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UKillMeLongTime wrote...

thegame30 wrote...

What i found odd about the 3 choices was how they were displayed.
TIM is clearly a renegade but the control option is display blue instead of red.
Then the destroy option is display as red with Anderson which is clearly a paragon character.
Finally the Starkid says "oh but there is a 3rd option" and he explain why is the best possible outcome. The 3rd option is what Saren wanted after he was implanted by Sovereign making him cybernetic.
What if some how Shepard cybernetic implants are similar, i know we find some vids on the game about the Lazarus project but what if....


and TIM was blue in his wounds, Shep was red

really cant be more obvious as thsat bastard is not paragade yet.....it was blue as was the option that would save the reapers

Javik said i think the only solution was destroy them in the last talk i had. Cant quote it but i recall that


He does maybe that's why that choice is the strongest along with the dream of Shep dieing if he choeses to believe the star kid ghost.

Modifié par LOST SPARTANJLC, 20 mars 2012 - 05:36 .


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JTP117 wrote...

MassEffectFan11 wrote...

thegame30 wrote...

What i found odd about the 3 choices was how they were displayed.
TIM is clearly a renegade but the control option is display blue instead of red.
Then the destroy option is display as red with Anderson which is clearly a paragon character.
Finally the Starkid says "oh but there is a 3rd option" and he explain why is the best possible outcome. The 3rd option is what Saren wanted after he was implanted by Sovereign making him cybernetic.
What if some how Shepard cybernetic implants are similar, i know we find some vids on the game about the Lazarus project but what if....

It makes sense. The Reapers want Shepard to choose Synthesis or Control. If he chooses Synthesis (green, a soothing color), then he does just what they want. If he chooses Control (supposedly Paragon, so he might lean towards that), then he gains control while indoctrinated...still gets them what they want. So they show Destroy, the one outcome they don't want, as a dark, blood red, to symbolize Renegade and scare Shepard away from choosing it.


Not to mention that destroy is the option that the godchild makes sure to describe as the worst, like he's trying to steer you away from it intentionally

Exactly. He makes sure to reiterate that the peace won't last, and that soon humans will make synthetics to start it up again. He also makes sure to emphasize that it will kill Shepard and the geth, and that Shepard will lose everything he has.

Modifié par MassEffectFan11, 20 mars 2012 - 05:36 .


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thefallen0412 wrote...



an update to the amazing indoc theory video on youtube. Lets get this thing spread and maybe bioware will see it


Thank you very much for posting this, these detailed vids are very important to this thread and the movement itself. Well done soldier. *salutes*

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LadyVakarian wrote...

I don't know if anyone cared to read any of this, but I wanted to know if anyone had thoughts on my ideas, so I am posting it again. Sorry if I offend :unsure:

Those would definitely be some creepy kickass dreams, don't you worry.  Really nothing to add.  Something along those lines would be pretty powerful.

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There is one thing I wanted to mention that I am not sure if anyone else has seen yet..

On your run for the conduit there are not trees or shrubs on the battle field, of course why would there be.. however after you are hit with the beam and knocked out if you look around you small dead trees and shrubs in places... Odd eh? Like the dreams Shepard has through out the game.

More proof of the theory if you ask me.

Hold the line.

Modifié par Kiara, 20 mars 2012 - 05:47 .


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(sorry didn't mean to post this) deliete please :unsure:

Modifié par Kiara, 20 mars 2012 - 05:46 .


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Does anyone wanna know a secret?

#18522
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Bawbtheepic wrote...

Does anyone wanna know a secret?


Tell me! :blink:

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@Radium Cortana and the star child would be perfect match...

#18524
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@Lady. Okay so...I am the harbinger ..

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Kiara wrote...

There is one thing I wanted to mention that I am not sure if anyone else has seen yet..

On your run for the conduit there are not trees or shrubs on the battle field, of course why would there be.. however after you are hit with the beam and knocked out if you look around you small dead trees and shrubs in places... Odd eh? Like the dreams Shepard has through out the game.

More proof of the theory if you ask me.

Hold the line.


More important where the hell is Harbinger? Didn't he just blast us away. When we get up he is no where to be found, atleast i didn't saw him.

Modifié par thegame30, 20 mars 2012 - 05:53 .