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[iJeffWuh]

So, I was instantly confused when you get beamed up to the citidale and you start talking to Anderson over the com-link. Anderson says he sees tubes and stuff like Shepards reports from the collector base. I may be incorrect but why do I never see these tubes? There is no other way for Anderson to come from because the center room with the console only has one entrance that I could see. Also, where the hell did TIM come from? The whole scene just seemed random to me. Like it was his imagination. Anderson being there, TIM, and similarities to the collector base. It all seems like it was all too familiar.

ALSO! Can anyone answer what the hell happened to Anderson being counselor? I never get an explanation to what happened to that. I did not chose Udina because I knew he would screw me over, but Bioware forced it, at least give me a reason.

[Vahilor]

ssltrain wrote...

Vahilor wrote...

ssltrain wrote...

Ah, I see. Thanks.

Anybody have any thoughts about the post-ending message you get on the datapad app from Kaiden/Ashley?

That seems like more evidence of the indoctrination theory, or something like it.

I never got any message on my DataPad after finishing the game and I also chose "Destruction" and my Shep survived.

There's a screen capture of it at the bottom of this article:


http://www.thevine.c...le20120314.aspx

Oh nice, probably I should finish it again and have a look at my messages ^^

[Rhyth]

(Start at :27)

Harbinger's goal
We will bring your species into harmony with our own.

This either references the "Synthesis" ending as something that Harbinger wants, or as uplifting the Human Race as Reapers.
I just thought I'd bring it up.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Salarian STG Team in Coopenhagen, Denmark reporting in. Were ambushed by those Ardart-Yakshi things, what did the humans call them again, Banshees? No matter, we are holding out in the outskirts of the city and we will hold the line.

[Earthborn_Shepard]

At 10:30, when Shep is forced to shoot Anderson, you can hear Anderson AND Shepard groan in pain at the same time....

...which would fit to the fact that Shepard also gets a shot wound at the same place where Anderson was shot....

[nyrocron]

The breathing body after destruction is definitely shepard and he is definitely meant to be alive as the video files are named End03_Shepard_Alive_Fem and End03_Shepard_Alive_Male.

[DashingSplash]

I've seen several comments on the Creation and Betrayal soundtrack in this thread.
Creation can be found in Wwise_Generic_GUI PCC file.
When extracted this is the file Wwise_Generic_GUI.001.ogg
EDIT: As seen by the files name and the soundtracks name, it comes from when you create a character.

Betrayal is a bit trickier.
I saw it as betrayal against one of your squadmates, and searched the extracted files by keeping that in mind.
What it came up with was that it was located somewhere in the PCC file Wwise_Kro002_Streaming
What I found was the 16 first seconds of the betrayal soundtrack, the rest I could not find.
They have probably cut out diffrent parts of the music in one of the folders close to that one.

Conclusion, Betrayal and Creation, as stated by others earlier in this thread, does not have anything to do with the ending.

EDIT: I've extracted the Audio were Tali says "Eeeemergency Induction Port".
If anyone wants it PM me.

Modifié par DashingSplash, 20 mars 2012 - 10:10 .

[creiGn]

iJeffWuh wrote...

ALSO! Can anyone answer what the hell happened to Anderson being counselor? I never get an explanation to what happened to that. I did not chose Udina because I knew he would screw me over, but Bioware forced it, at least give me a reason.

It's explained in Mass Effect Retribution.

He thinks he had enough of that bureaucratic crap and steps down as the counselor in order to help Kahlee Sanders.

[knilchibus]

I got another thought and I'm not sure if it was brought up, since it kind of obvious in a non-obvious way.

What was one of the most important movies in the last couple of years in terms of creativity? Inception. And is it just me or does the final sequence has a really Inception-y vibe about it?

The sequence gives us the feeling that we're talking to someone. Nevertheless: Why the hell would the creator of the reapers suddenly decide - just because Shepard is the first organic to reach "that" stage - to leave the fate of the galaxy to Shepard, although the Space Kid was the decider for supposedly Millions of years? It just doesn't add up.

What makes me think even more that it is an Inception like sequence is that we never interact with the Space Kid. How could we? We talk to ourselves - there are no choices to make, our mind already made those choices.

Adding to that point is the fact that Inception is a new movie and therefore it's likely that the writers were influenced by it.

[Elscotto1989]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...



At 10:30, when Shep is forced to shoot Anderson, you can hear Anderson AND Shepard groan in pain at the same time....

...which would fit to the fact that Shepard also gets a shot wound at the same place where Anderson was shot....

which is kinda hard for anderson to do with no gun....

[Elscotto1989]

DashingSplash wrote...

I've seen several comments on the Creation and Betrayal soundtrack in this thread.
Creation can be found in Wwise_Generic_GUI PCC file.
When extracted this is the file Wwise_Generic_GUI.001.ogg

Betrayal is a bit trickier.
I saw it as betrayal against one of your squadmates, and searched the extracted files by keeping that in mind.
What it came up with was that it was located somewhere in the PCC file Wwise_Kro002_Streaming
What I found was the 16 first seconds of the betrayal soundtrack, the rest I could not find.
They have probably cut out diffrent parts of the music in one of the folders close to that one.

Conclusion, Betrayal and Creation, as stated by others earlier in this thread, does not have anything to do with the ending.

EDIT: I've extracted the Audio were Tali says "Eeeemergency Induction Port".
If anyone wants it PM me.

i dont know what the betrayal music is but the creation music is from the character customization screen at the beginning i do believe.

[DashingSplash]

[quote]Elscotto1989 wrote...
[/quote] i dont know what the betrayal music is but the creation music is from the character customization screen at the beginning i do believe.
[/quote]

Yea, I forgot to mention it.
And that is pretty clear considering the name of the file. (:

[Rohirrim]

knilchibus wrote...


The sequence gives us the feeling that we're talking to someone. Nevertheless: Why the hell would the creator of the reapers suddenly decide - just because Shepard is the first organic to reach "that" stage - to leave the fate of the galaxy to Shepard, although the Space Kid was the decider for supposedly Millions of years? It just doesn't add up.

What makes me think even more that it is an Inception like sequence is that we never interact with the Space Kid. How could we? We talk to ourselves - there are no choices to make, our mind already made those choices.

Adding to that point is the fact that Inception is a new movie and therefore it's likely that the writers were influenced by it.

I remember Starchild infering that the Crucible changed something which opened the green/blue/red options for Shepard. At the same time, the Crucible stopped Starchild from making a choice (I assume it made Starchild colourblind or something).

Amongst the other plotholes and mysteries surrounding Starchild, this one is one of the minor problems, I think.

[TheVolusSuck]

I think I found something somewhat big here gents.

Exhibit A:
Watch between 30 seconds and 40 seconds. There seems to be a creepy looking tree there. And Shepard's dreams all included similarly creepy trees, oily shadows, that little brat, and even his own death (All of which happen in this "Dream sequence.")
The tree is obviously the way you came from, but I dont recall passing it when shep is "Conscious." (What is one random small ass tree doing in the middle of a galactic warzone anyway?)

Exhibit B:


-This is the scene we are all accustom to. Shepards heroic charge towards the conduit. Keep an eye open for any trees along your route. Personally, I didnt see a single one. Note: I have not investigated for this tree in game, and its possible that I've missed it due to the chaos of the scene, but I havent seen it in any videos I've watched (And I've watched plenty).

Now why would bioware not just reuse the previous map and add alittle carnage and blur to save themselves both time and money... And even if it is the same map (Im not an expert on how this game/map coding works), I doubt they just decided to add a random ass tree all a sudden just for the "lolz". If someone can confirm my theory in game, the likely hood of this being an oversight is very low, near 0. Assuming that tree is not in the final assault on the conduit, but only in the "dream," it proves that shepard is hallucinating to some extent (Even if it is just a tree). And if he is hallucinating at that point, we can infer that NOTHING after the laser beam incident actually occurred.

If it turns out to be true, it is a small piece of reliable evidence, and this thread needs all the evidence it can get.

I apologized if someone already posted this, but I figured it was random enough that its possible no one noticed.

Thoughts? Am I on to something or just on a wild krogan chase?

Grasping for emergency induction ports here... but holding the line none the less.

Modifié par TheVolusSuck, 20 mars 2012 - 10:24 .

[thebigbad1013]

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Indoctrination theory is the only way the last minutes of the game makes any kind of sense. Taken at face value everything just seems off and is completely without sense.

[Bama]

I'm interested.. I'm not sure how I feel about this theory, but how else can you explain Shepard taking a breath at the end? And why would it only appear after one of the three endings, when it seems he would get killed in all three?

Edit: I guess what I'm asking is - Is there an alternate explanation?

Modifié par Bama, 20 mars 2012 - 10:29 .

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...



At 10:30, when Shep is forced to shoot Anderson, you can hear Anderson AND Shepard groan in pain at the same time....

...which would fit to the fact that Shepard also gets a shot wound at the same place where Anderson was shot....

It brings up a plausible point, but that groan can be caused by Shepard straining while  trying Not to pull the trigger, and failing. Although him/her holding that same wound is compelling for this point. Keep at it guys.

[AbsolutGrndZer0]

Um the way I see it hallciantion and indoctrination don't go together... I think Shepard was Indoctrinated after Arrival, but you can fight through it and destroy the reapers.  That's why IMO it's the only ending where he possiby survives.

[CitadelSurfer]

TheVolusSuck wrote...

I think I found something somewhat big here gents.

Exhibit A:
Watch between 30 seconds and 40 seconds. There seems to be a creepy looking tree there. And Shepard's dreams all included similarly creepy trees, oily shadows, that little brat, and even his own death (All of which happen in this "Dream sequence.")
The tree is obviously the way you came from, but I dont recall passing it when shep is "Conscious." (What is one random small ass tree doing in the middle of a galactic warzone anyway?)

Exhibit B:


-This is the scene we are all accustom to. Shepards heroic charge towards the conduit. Keep an eye open for any trees along your route. Personally, I didnt see a single one. Note: I have not investigated for this tree in game, and its possible that I've missed it due to the chaos of the scene, but I havent seen it in any videos I've watched (And I've watched plenty).

Now why would bioware not just reuse the previous map and add alittle carnage and blur to save themselves both time and money... And even if it is the same map (Im not an expert on how this game/map coding works), I doubt they just decided to add a random ass tree all a sudden just for the "lolz". If someone can confirm my theory in game, the likely hood of this being an oversight is very low, near 0. Assuming that tree is not in the final assault on the conduit, but only in the "dream," it proves that shepard is hallucinating to some extent (Even if it is just a tree). And if he is hallucinating at that point, we can infer that NOTHING after the laser beam incident actually occurred.

If it turns out to be true, it is a small piece of reliable evidence, and this thread needs all the evidence it can get.

I apologized if someone already posted this, but I figured it was random enough that its possible no one noticed.

Thoughts? Am I on to something or just on a wild krogan chase?

Grasping for emergency induction ports here... but holding the line none the less.

Brilliant find mate. I noticed there is bushes on the floor too. Which I'm 90% sure aren't there when you are running to the beam either. Also you seem to be closer to the beam than when you got "hit" by the laser. I got hit like half way down I believe but you wake up pretty damn close to it! Seriously all the evidence points to indoc. No way does the ending make any kind of sense taken at face value. To put that tree there as well is as subtle as it gets. I mean if they put more than one tree a lot more people would have caught on to this theory. It must have been purposely put there for a little sign for us to put the pieces together. I mean this is what they wanted to begin with.


Also just a note. I remember seeing Casey Hudson (I believe) saying in an interview that he does not intend on making Post-ending DLC but rather past and present DLC. Given that you are "hallucinating, and indoctrinated" the "real" ending could well be happening WHILE you are in that state. Also when dreaming time slows down (remember inception guys!) so the last 15 minutes could just be 2 minutes on earth. Meaning you could quite well just get back up and finish the job once and for all in planned DLC that they are just being quiet about

It definitley makes sense.

Great find and hold that line! Hackett out! 

[Joukahainen]

Little bit offtopic question, but when you fight the last Reaper Destroyer is destroyed, and its walking towards you. Did anyone notice that it uses same soundtrack from Mass Effect 2 Overlord DLC; where David shouts with digital voice "Please, make it stop".

[Ona Demonie]

AbsolutGrndZer0 wrote...

Um the way I see it hallciantion and indoctrination don't go together... I think Shepard was Indoctrinated after Arrival, but you can fight through it and destroy the reapers.  That's why IMO it's the only ending where he possiby survives.

How can it not go together when even the Codex says "Hallucinations"? And if Shepard was fully indoctrinated (thus indoctrinated), then we shouldn't have been able to make choices because the Reapers would just Shepard anyway they see fit. 

[Red Starblazer]

So if we hit 1,000 pages...do we get like a box of cookies or something?

[Bama]

Ok so, if the endings are in fact 'real' and to be taken at face value.. How does Shepard waking up make any contextual sense? I'm not buying that the citadel blows up and he somehow survives the whole thing and ends up in a pile of rubble. Is there any other explanation?

It reminds me of the Halo 3 legendary ending, which I'm sure everybody has at least seen. That at least made some sense. That was supposed to be the ending to the trilogy, but now there's a Halo 4 in the works. Is Bioware just leaving the door open for an ME4 down the road?

[Kamagawa]

I think shep was indoctrinated.
Though it makes no sense as to how there is a kid and father talking after the credits.
I await DLC.

here is a good vid I saw for the indoctrination theory.

[Erethrian]

Nice read.

https://docs.google....?pli=1&sle=true

Modifié par Erethrian, 20 mars 2012 - 11:13 .