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[Vahilor]

MrFob wrote...

Vahilor wrote...

Yes and the Star Child even says, that in every path Shepard will chose the Mass Relays will be destroyed.. the only difference is the color they blwo up ...red, green or blue.

As I said earlier, that is one of my major gripes with the theory. If the star child represents the reapers last ditch effort of indoctrination, wouldn't it try to "sweeten the deal" such that only destruction would cause the relay network to explode? Or what is the point of that even in the hallucination?

If I remember it right star child says it about all possible choices. It is the last sentence before you are able to chose.

[njfluffy19]

MrFob wrote...

Vahilor wrote...

Yes and the Star Child even says, that in every path Shepard will chose the Mass Relays will be destroyed.. the only difference is the color they blwo up ...red, green or blue.

As I said earlier, that is one of my major gripes with the theory. If the star child represents the reapers last ditch effort of indoctrination, wouldn't it try to "sweeten the deal" such that only destruction would cause the relay network to explode? Or what is the point of that even in the hallucination?

Shepard's subconscious is also present. If you listen, the Star Child's voice consists of Fem/Male Shep's and Harbinger's in the echo (listen carefully). I believe Destroy has to be an option because Shepard was going to defeat the Reapers through destruction and war from the get-go. The Star Child clearly states that destruction will kill you and your friends. If that's not said to deter you, I don't know what is.

[Macross]

MrFob wrote...

Vahilor wrote...

Yes and the Star Child even says, that in every path Shepard will chose the Mass Relays will be destroyed.. the only difference is the color they blwo up ...red, green or blue.

As I said earlier, that is one of my major gripes with the theory. If the star child represents the reapers last ditch effort of indoctrination, wouldn't it try to "sweeten the deal" such that only destruction would cause the relay network to explode? Or what is the point of that even in the hallucination?

Scarfice? If control and synthesis had no real negative's to them then they would feel to be good to be true and thus break the illusion. However, putting a price on each ending makes them more believeable (using the word loosely). So at the end, each ending has some great form of scarfice to it but the destory ending costs the most (destroying all synthetic life like the geth and EDI blah blah blah) and making the other's seem 'real' and better solutions. 

^That's just me bulls***ing though. So take what you will from it.

[MrFob]

Vodic wrote...

Well, didn't see anything written about it in the summary in the first page, and I can't be bothered to read through 750 pages of comments, but did anyone else notice how Shepard has his N7 Tag on his armor if he survives as he lies in the rubble? There's clearly no such thing present on his armor when on the Crucible.

Could be a hint or could just be CGI vs. game graphics. Who knows...

@Vahilor: Yeah, exactly, that is the point.
@njfluffy19and Macros: Well, I guess everything is possible at that point. I'd just have believed that sacrificing Sheps life would be a negative in it's own right. And the starchild never says that destruction will also destroy your friends, just the geth. 
Ah, I don't know, I guess destroying the relays also makes it all more dramatic from a narrative point of view.

Modifié par MrFob, 20 mars 2012 - 12:39 .

[njfluffy19]

MrFob wrote...

Vahilor wrote...

Yes and the Star Child even says, that in every path Shepard will chose the Mass Relays will be destroyed.. the only difference is the color they blwo up ...red, green or blue.

As I said earlier, that is one of my major gripes with the theory. If the star child represents the reapers last ditch effort of indoctrination, wouldn't it try to "sweeten the deal" such that only destruction would cause the relay network to explode? Or what is the point of that even in the hallucination?

EDIT: Oh something else, I just listened to the cut Anderson dialogue (beautiful piece of writing and VO btw). If the indoctrination theory would turn out to have been the plan all along and Anderson just represents some part of Shep's mind, it would make perfect sense to cut the whole part about settling down and keep it as abstract as possible. If the ending is the real ending, it is a damn shame they cut that.

That and what Anderson said wasn't true. Anderson had an ex-wife and son back on Earth.

[Bama]

Vodic wrote...

Well, didn't see anything written about it in the summary in the first page, and I can't be bothered to read through 750 pages of comments,
but did anyone else notice how Shepard has his N7 Tag on his armor if he survives as he lies in the rubble? There's clearly no such thing present on his armor when on the Crucible.

Yeah, my guess on this is that they wanted to make it that much more obvious that the person lying in the rubble is in fact Shepard. Since you don't see that tag on Shepard throughout the entire series from what I remember, I don't necessarily think it means much either way. Someone feel free to correct me.

[njfluffy19]

MrFob wrote...

Vodic wrote...

Well, didn't see anything written about it in the summary in the first page, and I can't be bothered to read through 750 pages of comments, but did anyone else notice how Shepard has his N7 Tag on his armor if he survives as he lies in the rubble? There's clearly no such thing present on his armor when on the Crucible.

Could be a hint or could just be CGI vs. game graphics. Who knows...

It probably just came loose from under the armor or something? Not everyone wears the N7 set of armor (how dare they) when they play the game. I think they just needed to have the tags present so we can verify that the chest in fact belongs to Shepard. In other worss, the tags aren't actually part of the armor-- they are the ones Anderson throws at you in the beginning of the game.

Modifié par njfluffy19, 20 mars 2012 - 12:37 .

[Vahilor]

MrFob wrote...

Vodic wrote...

Well, didn't see anything written about it in the summary in the first page, and I can't be bothered to read through 750 pages of comments, but did anyone else notice how Shepard has his N7 Tag on his armor if he survives as he lies in the rubble? There's clearly no such thing present on his armor when on the Crucible.

Could be a hint or could just be CGI vs. game graphics. Who knows...

I think that's a game vs video graphic thing. And the dog tags are supposed to be under the armor anyway.. IMO ^^

[Earthborn_Shepard]

njfluffy19 wrote...

MrFob wrote...

Vahilor wrote...

Yes and the Star Child even says, that in every path Shepard will chose the Mass Relays will be destroyed.. the only difference is the color they blwo up ...red, green or blue.

As I said earlier, that is one of my major gripes with the theory. If the star child represents the reapers last ditch effort of indoctrination, wouldn't it try to "sweeten the deal" such that only destruction would cause the relay network to explode? Or what is the point of that even in the hallucination?

EDIT: Oh something else, I just listened to the cut Anderson dialogue (beautiful piece of writing and VO btw). If the indoctrination theory would turn out to have been the plan all along and Anderson just represents some part of Shep's mind, it would make perfect sense to cut the whole part about settling down and keep it as abstract as possible. If the ending is the real ending, it is a damn shame they cut that.

That and what Anderson said wasn't true. Anderson had an ex-wife and son back on Earth.

yeah.. I just remembered that.. strange! Though I think the writers might just have forgotten that

[ComfortablyNumb]

Vahilor wrote...

@But the save Anderson Paragon part is only avaiable if you gave the right answers to the TIM in the whole third game.. to unlock the Paragon option, so the TMI shoots himself.
I don't know if the Renegade save option, shooting the illusive man works as well.

It works. I shot TIM and still got "brearthing" Shepard in the end.

[Zalajinn]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

njfluffy19 wrote...

MrFob wrote...

Vahilor wrote...

Yes and the Star Child even says, that in every path Shepard will chose the Mass Relays will be destroyed.. the only difference is the color they blwo up ...red, green or blue.

As I said earlier, that is one of my major gripes with the theory. If the star child represents the reapers last ditch effort of indoctrination, wouldn't it try to "sweeten the deal" such that only destruction would cause the relay network to explode? Or what is the point of that even in the hallucination?

EDIT: Oh something else, I just listened to the cut Anderson dialogue (beautiful piece of writing and VO btw). If the indoctrination theory would turn out to have been the plan all along and Anderson just represents some part of Shep's mind, it would make perfect sense to cut the whole part about settling down and keep it as abstract as possible. If the ending is the real ending, it is a damn shame they cut that.

That and what Anderson said wasn't true. Anderson had an ex-wife and son back on Earth.

yeah.. I just remembered that.. strange! Though I think the writers might just have forgotten that

I see 2 possibilities at this one:

1, This was the real ending, and the cut was made, because they realized he has a son
2, The indoctrination is true, and Shepard is talking to himself, and he surely has no son nor wife. And the cut was made, so people dont get suspicious about it, or dont blame Bioware for bad writing

[MrFob]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

njfluffy19 wrote...

That and what Anderson said wasn't true. Anderson had an ex-wife and son back on Earth.

yeah.. I just remembered that.. strange! Though I think the writers might just have forgotten that

He has a son? Is that from Deception again? Because in Revelation, when he gets the call from his divorce lawyer on the citadel, it is clearly stated that he had no children with his ex wife.
Sorry, don't want to derail topic, just curious.

[Vahilor]

mrufka_z wrote...

Vahilor wrote...

@But the save Anderson Paragon part is only avaiable if you gave the right answers to the TIM in the whole third game.. to unlock the Paragon option, so the TMI shoots himself.
I don't know if the Renegade save option, shooting the illusive man works as well.

It works. I shot TIM and still got "brearthing" Shepard in the end.

Ah ok thx, I allways had over 5000+ and so I didn't know for sure.

[DashingSplash]

As long as you have over 4000 EMS when saving Anderson from getting executed, otherwise 5000 EMS, and choose the destroy option you'll get the breathing scene.
wheter you shoot him yourself of convince him to commit suicide does not matter.

[CitadelSurfer]

Vahilor wrote...

MrFob wrote...

Vodic wrote...

Well, didn't see anything written about it in the summary in the first page, and I can't be bothered to read through 750 pages of comments, but did anyone else notice how Shepard has his N7 Tag on his armor if he survives as he lies in the rubble? There's clearly no such thing present on his armor when on the Crucible.

Could be a hint or could just be CGI vs. game graphics. Who knows...

I think that's a game vs video graphic thing. And the dog tags are supposed to be under the armor anyway.. IMO ^^

I think the N7 dog tag is to just identify to us that it is Shepard in the rubble. If one wasn't there then it would be even harder to sepculate. Also to someone who posted above... Remember the choices are just Shepards sub-concious. The control-synthesis is the indoctrination trying to get into his brain, The Destroy option is what is left of Shepards mind to keep him sane. Just remember, What the child says could not be true at all. Taking the destroy option will just wake you up, with Geth/EDI/You unchaged. He just says that to put you off it, and the fact that you have only just re-united the geth and also made a synthetic friend EDI. It is Harbinger playing with your emotions. It is so blatent now!  

[njfluffy19]

MrFob wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

njfluffy19 wrote...

That and what Anderson said wasn't true. Anderson had an ex-wife and son back on Earth.

yeah.. I just remembered that.. strange! Though I think the writers might just have forgotten that

He has a son? Is that from Deception again? Because in Revelation, when he gets the call from his divorce lawyer on the citadel, it is clearly stated that he had no children with his ex wife.
Sorry, don't want to derail topic, just curious.

Hrrrmmm. Maybe I am incorrect in my assumption that Henry or Jason is his son then... Read this:

http://masseffect.wi..._David_Anderson

[njfluffy19]

Also, it is apparently said in Revelations he has a son, but I'm too lazy to quote that.

[OMEGAlomaniac]

I pu this somewhere else but I may as well put it in the main thread too. Bear in mind this is my OPINION only.

If this is what was intended (and, imo, it's a long shot) then it was, in my opinion, executed very poorly. That or it was left in such a way that DLC would make it clear what actualy happened. The most obvious ommisions IMO are the ones relating to the crew and the Normandy. Did Shepard hallucinate that his crew where with him on the ground? Why would Joker and all the crew leave the battle at Earth? Do none of them care that you died? Or is the sequence after the ending a hallucination too? Because we know that the destruction of a Mass Relay is catastrophic, does that mean that everyone in the Victory Fleet was wiped out? And what about all of the systems near the rest of the relays?

Also, why did we bother collecting war assets, forging relationships with and saving other species around the galaxy if we don't even see them at the end? You saved the Geth, cured the Krogan and hell, even rescued Elcor warriors. So what were they doing in the final battle?

Don't get me wrong, I actualy quite like this explination, it's just not done well if this is the way it actualy went down. Either way, BioWare still messed up and left a lot of us confused and angry.

[ComfortablyNumb]

Vahilor wrote...

mrufka_z wrote...

Vahilor wrote...

@But the save Anderson Paragon part is only avaiable if you gave the right answers to the TIM in the whole third game.. to unlock the Paragon option, so the TMI shoots himself.
I don't know if the Renegade save option, shooting the illusive man works as well.

It works. I shot TIM and still got "brearthing" Shepard in the end.

Ah ok thx, I allways had over 5000+ and so I didn't know for sure.

Btw - I had total readiness a little over 4100.

[MrFob]

njfluffy19 wrote...

Also, it is apparently said in Revelations he has a son, but I'm too lazy to quote that.

Hm, I had not noticed that one before while reading the SB files. No, it's an inconstancy ... or rather, Jason is Henry's son and just admires Anderson. I quote from Revelations, at the end of the vid message from Anderson lawyer:
"I know this isn't much cancellation right now but just be glad you two didn't have any children. It could have been a lot worse and a lot more expensive. When custody becomes an issue the proceedings rarely go this smoothly."

Ha, interesting. Anyway, back to topic.

Modifié par MrFob, 20 mars 2012 - 12:58 .

[njfluffy19]

Okay, so I read the dossier over again.

You're right, it says he doesn't have a son. Maybe Jason is Cynthia's son? I don't know. I always thought it was heavily implied his son was Jason, but I suppose he could just be close enough to Cynthia to know Jason? Hrrmmm. Anyway.

[DashingSplash]

mrufka_z wrote...

Vahilor wrote...

mrufka_z wrote...

Vahilor wrote...

@But the save Anderson Paragon part is only avaiable if you gave the right answers to the TIM in the whole third game.. to unlock the Paragon option, so the TMI shoots himself.
I don't know if the Renegade save option, shooting the illusive man works as well.

It works. I shot TIM and still got "brearthing" Shepard in the end.

Ah ok thx, I allways had over 5000+ and so I didn't know for sure.

Btw - I had total readiness a little over 4100.

Since you saved Anderson from getting executed by TIM the required EMS drop to 4000.

Modifié par DashingSplash, 20 mars 2012 - 12:55 .

[Sirartistic]

Why doesnt anyone ask the simple question...Why does Shepard have to destroy conduits to make the Crucible work? Since when does destroying something make something work??? lol It is a dream...

[ChristopherShepard]

It really has to be a psychological trick from BW. Doesn't Walters studied psychology or am i wrong? Like breaking the fourth wall..players mind.. Everything in this thread give me more hope that the IT is the real deal.
For me it's just logical. BW won't risk to loose such a big amount of true fans with this weird ending,
they defintily will give us answers what really happened. They planned it exactly this way. But how long will they wait??

[monrapias]

Looks like the fans made a better tali then bioware did http://9gag.com/gag/1715739 (yes it is an old one.

anyway, I am willing to predict that we'll either get something in april/may, if we don't, well get it in 2013 around march or february.