57139 réponses à ce sujet

[Terran235]

Who cares?! what if the final act IS a whole expansion, a retail disk if you will.

Modifié par Terran235, 20 mars 2012 - 02:37 .

[ArkkAngel007]

lex0r11 wrote...

Little Lummo wrote...

Not sure if this has been posted, but this is even making news on the BBC here in the UK.

http://www.bbc.co.uk...nology-17444719

yes, numerous major news papers and sites are starting to cover the story.
and most of the time it's pretty good.

Still wish it didn't focus on us arguing about the bleakness.  Granted, I see people demanding all of their favorite characters living, including the on-his-deathbed Thane and demanding happier options, but people just want the plot-holes filled and for there to be more options that are more representive of their actions throughout the series beyond seeing some minor variations in the battle above Earth and a numerical rating of success.

And I still wish the FTC complaint that was filed would be ceased to be brought up.  It was a) an uneducated move and only a minor complaint that will probably never see the life of day in the FTC.

Modifié par ArkkAngel007, 20 mars 2012 - 02:41 .

[Ghrelt]

I think we believers in the IT take a lot of flak from other players and fans because they mistakenly believe that we liked the ending. We only liked the ending if we get the rest of it soon, and free. We just think our logic makes sense of the space magic and convoluted mess that was the Citadel portion of ME3.

[Diggsworth]

MrFob wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...
Also remember: Anderson HAS or HAD a family. But in the scene he said he never had time.

No, he just had an ex-wife, no children (last page - uh, now the one before - of this thread).

@ArkkAngel007: Yeah, didn't really think it all though but with the speed the forums are moving it is hard to keep up sometimes.

I'm actually pretty sure that Anderson has a son named Jason.
He's an engineer or something -- you see it once you unlock the Shadow Broker terminals.
Uhh, an email from his ex-wife, and a video where he actually meets up with him on the Citadel.

[MrFob]

Diggsworth wrote...

I'm actually pretty sure that Anderson has a son named Jason.
He's an engineer or something -- you see it once you unlock the Shadow Broker terminals.
Uhh, an email from his ex-wife, and a video where he actually meets up with him on the Citadel.

Go to page 747 of this thread, it's all there.

[lex0r11]

Diggsworth wrote...

MrFob wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...
Also remember: Anderson HAS or HAD a family. But in the scene he said he never had time.

No, he just had an ex-wife, no children (last page - uh, now the one before - of this thread).

@ArkkAngel007: Yeah, didn't really think it all though but with the speed the forums are moving it is hard to keep up sometimes.

I'm actually pretty sure that Anderson has a son named Jason.
He's an engineer or something -- you see it once you unlock the Shadow Broker terminals.
Uhh, an email from his ex-wife, and a video where he actually meets up with him on the Citadel.

wait, i remember..
didn't that guy anderson met in the video wear a cerberus uniform?

[estebanus]

Diggsworth wrote...

MrFob wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...
Also remember: Anderson HAS or HAD a family. But in the scene he said he never had time.

No, he just had an ex-wife, no children (last page - uh, now the one before - of this thread).

@ArkkAngel007: Yeah, didn't really think it all though but with the speed the forums are moving it is hard to keep up sometimes.

I'm actually pretty sure that Anderson has a son named Jason.
He's an engineer or something -- you see it once you unlock the Shadow Broker terminals.
Uhh, an email from his ex-wife, and a video where he actually meets up with him on the Citadel.

true. Plus, I also think it's stated in one of the books that he has a son and wife. I think it was in Mass Effect: Revelation.

[ArkkAngel007]

Ellythe wrote...

I think we believers in the IT take a lot of flak from other players and fans because they mistakenly believe that we liked the ending. We only liked the ending if we get the rest of it soon, and free. We just think our logic makes sense of the space magic and convoluted mess that was the Citadel portion of ME3.

That and I don't think players like that they are then being "shoehorned" into choosing the Destroy ending if IT ends up being a fact.

But I think your reasoning is the best of all.  It's not that we like the ending.  Heck, I'm pretty sure many of us were angry or at least disappointed as much as any other disgruntled fan.  Yet, because 100% of our effort isn't towards ruining the company to get them to change it, which they mistakenly feel is the purpose of ReTake and holding the line, we are automatically a separate entity and therefore a threat.

[Diggsworth]

MrFob wrote...

Diggsworth wrote...

I'm actually pretty sure that Anderson has a son named Jason.
He's an engineer or something -- you see it once you unlock the Shadow Broker terminals.
Uhh, an email from his ex-wife, and a video where he actually meets up with him on the Citadel.

Go to page 747 of this thread, it's all there.

Hmm...

[Gowienczyk]

We just want to justify things, we are like a film study class, haha.

[Flapperrr]

I suspect that it can be wrong interpretation of this message:
http://www.facebook....275243029217754
https://twitter.com/...605961092435968

Modifié par Flapperrr, 20 mars 2012 - 03:01 .

[lex0r11]

almost sure this was linked here before, but everyone talking about IT should at least skim it.
very nice roundup of thoughts.

uninhibitedandunrepentant.tumblr.com/post/19344938387/mind-holy-****

[Earthborn_Shepard]

And, I beg of you, go back and replay that final scene we all hate. With the choice we must make. Walk right to the middle of the walkway between the three choices and, several times, begin to walk in each direction.

Listen to the music change.

The ‘control’ option is sinister, with a quiet humming dissidence. So is the synthesis. And the ‘destroy’ option rings brightly, a pleasant sound of uplifting hope and then fades away. It’s barely noticeable, broken by the jarring drumming sound, and it is only right at the start. But it’s there.


sounds interesting.. can someone confirm that?

[morganix]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...
Ok, well, this isn't the future DLC thread(s).  This is only about IT which only deals directly with the ending on the retail disc itself.

My point is simply this. Lots of people are grabbing at straws hoping that this isn't the real ending. That shepard was indoctrinated. We were promised an ending where we had CHOICES. Even if the indoctrination theory was true, which a lot has been said to disprove it, we were still lied to by bioware and given no choice in the end of the game. So in regards to THE RETAIL ending, we were cheated and nothing we did actually mattered. The promised ending, whether later included in a DLC or not, is still a sham. All I'm saying is that even if the indocrination theory is true, it only makes the rediculous choices you are provided even LESS meaningful. A worse ending in terms of what we were promised (multiple choices that reflect the desicions we made during the franchise).

It may be more artistically appealing but they're still taking a giant dump on the fans. 

Modifié par morganix, 20 mars 2012 - 03:05 .

[RyanHensley2010]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

And, I beg of you, go back and replay that final scene we all hate. With the choice we must make. Walk right to the middle of the walkway between the three choices and, several times, begin to walk in each direction.

Listen to the music change.

The ‘control’ option is sinister, with a quiet humming dissidence. So is the synthesis. And the ‘destroy’ option rings brightly, a pleasant sound of uplifting hope and then fades away. It’s barely noticeable, broken by the jarring drumming sound, and it is only right at the start. But it’s there.


sounds interesting.. can someone confirm that?

I thought that was my mind playing tricks on me...I noticed that too

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Ellythe wrote...

I think we believers in the IT take a lot of flak from other players and fans because they mistakenly believe that we liked the ending. We only liked the ending if we get the rest of it soon, and free. We just think our logic makes sense of the space magic and convoluted mess that was the Citadel portion of ME3.

That and I don't think players like that they are then being "shoehorned" into choosing the Destroy ending if IT ends up being a fact.

But I think your reasoning is the best of all.  It's not that we like the ending.  Heck, I'm pretty sure many of us were angry or at least disappointed as much as any other disgruntled fan.  Yet, because 100% of our effort isn't towards ruining the company to get them to change it, which they mistakenly feel is the purpose of ReTake and holding the line, we are automatically a separate entity and therefore a threat.

Its not like choosing Control or Synthesis has to result in instant gameover. It might simply result in more Indoctrination scenes later possibly resulting in squadmate deaths as Shepard turns upon them momentarily or the death of Shepard himself through a bullet to the head scene similar to Saren.

You can easily continue after the Control/Synthesis under the Indoctrination ending and still retain repercussions.

[estebanus]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Ellythe wrote...

I think we believers in the IT take a lot of flak from other players and fans because they mistakenly believe that we liked the ending. We only liked the ending if we get the rest of it soon, and free. We just think our logic makes sense of the space magic and convoluted mess that was the Citadel portion of ME3.

That and I don't think players like that they are then being "shoehorned" into choosing the Destroy ending if IT ends up being a fact.

But I think your reasoning is the best of all.  It's not that we like the ending.  Heck, I'm pretty sure many of us were angry or at least disappointed as much as any other disgruntled fan.  Yet, because 100% of our effort isn't towards ruining the company to get them to change it, which they mistakenly feel is the purpose of ReTake and holding the line, we are automatically a separate entity and therefore a threat.

Or maybe, you take control of Anderson and/or whatever squaddies you brought with you and have to kill Shepard.

That would probably leave a huge emotional impact on me if I had to kill a character I spent several years developing.

Its not like choosing Control or Synthesis has to result in instant gameover. It might simply result in more Indoctrination scenes later possibly resulting in squadmate deaths as Shepard turns upon them momentarily or the death of Shepard himself through a bullet to the head scene similar to Saren.

You can easily continue after the Control/Synthesis under the Indoctrination ending and still retain repercussions.

Indeed.

Modifié par estebanus, 20 mars 2012 - 03:09 .

[theflyingfrogfish]

This has probably already been pointed out, but during the Destroy option after a couple of shots you stand straight upright with a steady arm. Could this represent you overcoming the sabotage to your psyche the reapers inflicted by forcing you to shoot Anderson? I.e. by choosing to go against the indoctrination you are already starting to reverse its effects.

[estebanus]

theflyingfrogfish wrote...

This has probably already been pointed out, but during the Destroy option after a couple of shots you stand straight upright with a steady arm. Could this represent you overcoming the sabotage to your psyche the reapers inflicted by forcing you to shoot Anderson? I.e. by choosing to go against the indoctrination you are already starting to reverse its effects.

I noticed that too. It seems pretty hard to believe that Shepard, who was bleeding profusely from a wound mere minutes ago, and even passed out from it, would suddenly stand up straight and walk as if nothing happened.

[MrFob]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

And, I beg of you, go back and replay that final scene we all hate. With the choice we must make. Walk right to the middle of the walkway between the three choices and, several times, begin to walk in each direction.

Listen to the music change.

The ‘control’ option is sinister, with a quiet humming dissidence. So is the synthesis. And the ‘destroy’ option rings brightly, a pleasant sound of uplifting hope and then fades away. It’s barely noticeable, broken by the jarring drumming sound, and it is only right at the start. But it’s there.


sounds interesting.. can someone confirm that?

I just checked it and either I just don't have an ear for it or it's not the case. I can't make out any difference.

As for the standing straight, for the synthesis option, s/he actually starts to run, for the control option it's not that obvious but it also seems the injuries are suddenly less of an issue.

Modifié par MrFob, 20 mars 2012 - 03:13 .

[ContraMan]

The link lex0r provided is a good read.

[lex0r11]

morganix wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...
Ok, well, this isn't the future DLC thread(s).  This is only about IT which only deals directly with the ending on the retail disc itself.

My point is simply this. Lots of people are grabbing at straws hoping that this isn't the real ending. That shepard was indoctrinated. We were promised an ending where we had CHOICES. Even if the indoctrination theory was true, which a lot has been said to disprove it, we were still lied to by bioware and given no choice in the end of the game. So in regards to THE RETAIL ending, we were cheated and nothing we did actually mattered. The promised ending, whether later included in a DLC or not, is still a sham. All I'm saying is that even if the indocrination theory is true, it only makes the rediculous choices you are provided even LESS meaningful. A worse ending in terms of what we were promised (multiple choices that reflect the desicions we made during the franchise).

because if shepard really wakes up after this whole mess, they are supposed to be meaningless.

indoc theory is either a way to understand the ending littered with plotholes OR a perfectly good way to provide a start to a whole new ending game, with maybe more fights, bossfights and endingchoices and epilogue.
i know it sounds kind of dumb, but until they comment without PR on this, no on knows if it is 100% canon ending or if there is 100% something planed or coming.

and not to cheapen your straw comment, but i have to chip in motivationals once in awhile.

[theflyingfrogfish]

Also, as Harbinger lands before the run on the beam, it has yellow glowing lights similar to Kenson's eyes in Arrival and possessed collectors. We don't see a reaper looking like that at any other time. Maybe suggesting that it's trying to control Shepard?

[RyanHensley2010]

theflyingfrogfish wrote...

Also, as Harbinger lands before the run on the beam, it has yellow glowing lights similar to Kenson's eyes in Arrival and possessed collectors. We don't see a reaper looking like that at any other time. Maybe suggesting that it's trying to control Shepard?

Interesting...

[lex0r11]

MrFob wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

And, I beg of you, go back and replay that final scene we all hate. With the choice we must make. Walk right to the middle of the walkway between the three choices and, several times, begin to walk in each direction.

Listen to the music change.

The ‘control’ option is sinister, with a quiet humming dissidence. So is the synthesis. And the ‘destroy’ option rings brightly, a pleasant sound of uplifting hope and then fades away. It’s barely noticeable, broken by the jarring drumming sound, and it is only right at the start. But it’s there.


sounds interesting.. can someone confirm that?

I just checked it and either I just don't have an ear for it or it's not the case. I can't make out any difference.

As for the standing straight, for the synthesis option, s/he actually starts to run, for the control option it's not that obvious but it also seems the injuries are suddenly less of an issue.

it was mentioned in the article i linked:

"The ‘control’ option is sinister, with a quiet humming dissidence [sic]. So is the synthesis. And the ‘destroy’
option rings brightly, a pleasant sound of uplifting hope and then fades away. It’s barely noticeable, broken by the jarring drumming sound, and it is only right at the start. But it’s there."


i recommend a read.
uninhibitedandunrepentant.tumblr.com/post/19344938387/mind-holy-****

Modifié par lex0r11, 20 mars 2012 - 03:31 .