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RyanHensley2010

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Um, I don't know if anyone's pointed this out, but isn't it a little odd that after the "ending" You end up right back on the Normandy, just before the assault on Cerberus? It doesn't make any sense, and it makes me wonder, why?

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RyanHensley2010 wrote...

Um, I don't know if anyone's pointed this out, but isn't it a little odd that after the "ending" You end up right back on the Normandy, just before the assault on Cerberus? It doesn't make any sense, and it makes me wonder, why?


I assumed that this was for future SP DLC. Like side mission kind of stuff. Before the cerberus base is the last time you have free roam of the galaxy map, so if they dropped in an omega mission or something, you wouldn't be able to get there if your save was after the cerberus assault. After that mission you can only go to earth.

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RyanHensley2010 wrote...

Um, I don't know if anyone's pointed this out, but isn't it a little odd that after the "ending" You end up right back on the Normandy, just before the assault on Cerberus? It doesn't make any sense, and it makes me wonder, why?


It is pretty standard with free roaming games and RPG´s with lots of sidequests to send the player back to just before the point of no return (which is the assault on Cerberus) or at least give them the option to return to that place so you can finish up some last things.

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lex0r11 wrote...

almost sure this was linked here before, but everyone talking about IT should at least skim it.
very nice roundup of thoughts.

uninhibitedandunrepentant.tumblr.com/post/19344938387/mind-holy-****


Would be so damn epic if that was true.

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RyanHensley2010 wrote...

Um, I don't know if anyone's pointed this out, but isn't it a little odd that after the "ending" You end up right back on the Normandy, just before the assault on Cerberus? It doesn't make any sense, and it makes me wonder, why?

Well, even if they don't release ending DLC, that would be the most logical place to start new DLC. You'd have all your XP from the rest of the game. After the assault, I'm pretty sure you can only go to Earth. (Correct me if I'm wrong)

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RyanHensley2010 wrote...

Um, I don't know if anyone's pointed this out, but isn't it a little odd that after the "ending" You end up right back on the Normandy, just before the assault on Cerberus? It doesn't make any sense, and it makes me wonder, why?


The reason you end up back there as that was the last save before the point of no return. Once you invade Cerberus base, you can't go anywhere else afterwards. During your time there, the Reapers moved the Citadel to earth setting up the stage for the final battle.

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theflyingfrogfish wrote...

Also, as Harbinger lands before the run on the beam, it has yellow glowing lights similar to Kenson's eyes in Arrival and possessed collectors. We don't see a reaper looking like that at any other time. Maybe suggesting that it's trying to control Shepard?

I rather think, that Harbinger's yellow/orange eyes are more like his "brandmark", to make him looking different from the rest of the Sovereign-class Reapers. But still, you made an interesting point...

Modifié par mic-n, 20 mars 2012 - 03:40 .


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RyanHensley2010

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T16-You know, That's a fair point. But I dunno, it kind of reminds me of that really out of place auto-save right before the ending choice. Like, a chance to do somethin differently maybe? I might just be reading too much into it.

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lex0r11 wrote...
because if shepard really wakes up after this whole mess, they are supposed to be meaningless.

indoc theory is either a way to understand the ending littered with plotholes OR a perfectly good way to provide a start to a whole new ending game, with maybe more fights, bossfights and endingchoices and epilogue.
i know it sounds kind of dumb, but until they comment without PR on this, no on knows if it is 100% canon ending or if there is 100% something planed or coming.


To be honest, I would love nothing more than to see a whole new game that revolves around the final battle. One where you get to fight side by side with each race and faction you recuited in different battles all across the sector and on the surface. However, why would bioware keep plans for another game hushed? It doesn't make any sense to me with the massive backlash of ME3. I understand the desire to wait until the right moment to announce a game (and have something to show) but in this case it would only due more damage to wait.

Why not just say "We were planning on waiting to tell you, but we are working on the next game that will resolve all of your questions and put each and every battle resource you aquired to good use. You will have a chance to save your crewmates and make an actual impact on the ending events based on not only your desisions but how well you play. There will be some tough desisions and you will lose some key players but in the end you will make a difference and help defeat the reaper invasion once and for all"

As much as I wish this was the case, I find it about as likely as republicans announcing tommorow that "Hey, we were just joking. We believe women and homosexuals deserve equal rights. Women deserve to make heath desisions with their doctors without the interference of the goverment and gay couples deserve the right to persue happyness granted them in the constitution by getting married. It's nobodies business but their own."

However, if all that happened tomorrow, I'd realize I was the one indoctrinated and not sheapard. 

PS: Loved the motivational.

Modifié par morganix, 20 mars 2012 - 04:03 .


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ssltrain wrote...

So...I have a question about the "secret" ending that you get if you have enough war assets and choose the "destroy" option.

The camera pans up through the rubble...seemingly rubble from London...to a body with an N7 dog tag, and the person then takes a quick breath.

We've led ourselves to believe this is Shepard.

My question is, if you're playing as FemShep, and do everything exactly the same, does this "secret ending" scene show a female body in the rubble, taking a breath? Or, is it still a male body?

Just wondering because I didn't play as a FemShep and have yet to see a youtube video showing a FemShep version of that secret ending.

If I listen closely...and this might totally just be me imagining things...the "gasp" of air from the N7 body sounds a bit like James Vega's voice (Freddie Prinze, Jr.).

Are we sure that body is Shepard's?

Also, if you're using the Mass Effect Datapad app for iPad, you get a message from Kaiden/Ashley AFTER the game ends, saying that they'd like to come see you and asking if you're okay or up for visitors.

Anyone have any theories as to what that means?

Anyway, my main question is about the existence of a female/FemShep version of that secret, body-in-rubble ending but I'm also curious as to thoughts about the post-game datapad message.

I guess the body really didn't change, my mistake. It's still her, you can tell by the voice, if it was some random soldier they wouldnt have changed it to a girl. Though I do feel for her, Harby blew her boobs off :pinched:

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my reaction to the endings :D

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So this is what i did =

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ArkkAngel007 wrote...

morganix wrote...

I have a story to tell. I once went to an ice cream shop to get my favorite dessert. Every couple weeks they would change the recipe, and the two I had previously were the best treats I've ever had. I show up and asked for the special, to which the host replies "You're in for a treat! It's our best cone yet. There's even something special for you at the bottom," Really? I ask. What is it? He goes on to tell me "It's pure chocolate, nothing like the other cones you've had elsewhere with those empty holes at the bottom which are just filled by the melted remains of what came before."

Eager to try this novel new cone I quickly handed him my money. Soon I had this great treat in my hands. Practically drooling I took my first bite and I was pleasantly surprised by the taste. It was refreshingly new and flavorful. I was so immersed in the experience that I ate it all in one sitting, but as I approached the end, I kept wondering... where is the chocolate? I got further and further and then... holes. It was just like those cones from the other stores. Full of holes and melted Icecream. I turned to my server and said: Excuse me sir, you promised chocolate at the end but none was there!

"We worked hard on our recipe" he said. "It's our best one yet." he said. "Some customers may not be happy with the ending, but we put a lot of hard work into it and the reviews from restaurant critics were fantastic."

But what about my chocolate I asked? "Oh that, it was just a joke. We're gonna be selling pure milk chocolate next week. You can come in and buy some then."

But I already paid for it I said. "No, you paid for the icecream. The best ice-cream cone yet. Come back later and buy some chocolate if you want it so badly."

--Yeah, I'd still be pissed.


Ok, well, this isn't the future DLC thread(s).  This is only about IT which only deals directly with the ending on the retail disc itself.


Dude, she was making an allegory, and I liked it, and they can post wherever the heck they want considering how off topic we get in here at times.

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I completed ME3 four hours ago. Very displeased.

Came across this thread.

Oh.
My.
F**KING
GOD.

It all . . .; links . . . in.

If this is what it looks like . . . it'll make Inception look like a linear, obvious ending.

And one more thing.

After saving the Geth, Legion gives them a certain code that EDI states makes them "living".
EDI is created by TIM, unshackled by Joker, but Shepard, in her words, makes her "Live"

So the Geth are no longer Synthetic Life.

EDI is no longer synthetic life.

Destroying the Reapers does NOT kill EDI or the Geth.

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Lincoln MuaDib wrote...

I completed ME3 four hours ago. Very displeased.

Came across this thread.

Oh.
My.
F**KING
GOD.

It all . . .; links . . . in.

If this is what it looks like . . . it'll make Inception look like a linear, obvious ending.

And one more thing.

After saving the Geth, Legion gives them a certain code that EDI states makes them "living".
EDI is created by TIM, unshackled by Joker, but Shepard, in her words, makes her "Live"

So the Geth are no longer Synthetic Life.

EDI is no longer synthetic life.

Destroying the Reapers does NOT kill EDI or the Geth.


*Shakes hand* Welcome to the Indoc theory, friend

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On another most likely insignificant note, after following this theory, what Joker says after the mission inside the geth server, about shepard not being able to tell if he/she even woke up, is kind of funny in a strange way...

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njfluffy19 wrote...

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This is just overflowing with win

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njfluffy19 wrote...

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I rofled.

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Here's a thought.
Is it the case that Shepard has his/her dreams about chasing the child directly after confrontations with Reapers/Reaper tech? If he/she DOES, do we think that this is good evidence for the Indoctrination Theory? I think so.

Proximity to Reapers = Dreams about child. An interesting correlation if nothing else.
Also, the dreams get progressively longer/more involved as time goes on. It could be that Shepard is simply more damaged/suffering more and therefore has longer dreams...but it could also be that the subtle indoctrination caused by the Reapers/Reaper tech is getting stronger - especially in light of the fact that the last dream entails holding the child then going up in flames.
Thoughts? :)

(Apologees if this has already circulated. Long thread is LONG !!:lol:)

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Lincoln MuaDib wrote...

I completed ME3 four hours ago. Very displeased.

Came across this thread.

Oh.
My.
F**KING
GOD.

It all . . .; links . . . in.

If this is what it looks like . . . it'll make Inception look like a linear, obvious ending.

And one more thing.

After saving the Geth, Legion gives them a certain code that EDI states makes them "living".
EDI is created by TIM, unshackled by Joker, but Shepard, in her words, makes her "Live"

So the Geth are no longer Synthetic Life.

EDI is no longer synthetic life.

Destroying the Reapers does NOT kill EDI or the Geth.


i welcome you here with motivational hour, sir or madam.

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check this out plz

http://images1.wikia...ges/6/6e/Yo.jpg

I think that if bioware can pull this off... Well ill be more happy:p

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Does anyone else here call us "Indoctrinationists"?
Or is it just me?

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RyanHensley2010 wrote...

Um, I don't know if anyone's pointed this out, but isn't it a little odd that after the "ending" You end up right back on the Normandy, just before the assault on Cerberus? It doesn't make any sense, and it makes me wonder, why?



the part they return you to is the "point of no return". when they start rolling out dlc you won't be able to do it after that point so that's why they return you there.

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[quote]njfluffy19 wrote...

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haha