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Was the ending a hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory


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njfluffy19

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If the endings remain as they stand now, I think they should put this after the credits...



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I'm not sure if this has been brought up before, but does anybody think it's just a little too convenient that the beam that is supposed to transport human corpses to the Citadel for "processing" also leads directly to the master control console? You would think the Reapers would be a little smarter than to create a direct path for someone to open the Citadel arms.

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njfluffy19

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Kings19 wrote...

I'm not sure if this has been brought up before, but does anybody think it's just a little too convenient that the beam that is supposed to transport human corpses to the Citadel for "processing" also leads directly to the master control console? You would think the Reapers would be a little smarter than to create a direct path for someone to open the Citadel arms.


Easily explained with a smiley: :wizard:

But yeah, good point.

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Continuing to hold the the line in cincinnati ohio. May we continue to gain support. If this is not proven right and the endings are the true ending...I will not accept it and choose this as the ending for my shepard.

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RyanHensley2010

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Haha, I'd like to thank the several people who clarified an obviously dim-witted post. Note to self...no more 30+ hour ME3 marathons...lack of sleep is a killer

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TheVolusSuck wrote...

I think I found something somewhat big here gents.

Exhibit A:
Watch between 30 seconds and 40 seconds. There seems to be a creepy looking tree there. And Shepard's dreams all included similarly creepy trees, oily shadows, that little brat, and even his own death (All of which happen in this "Dream sequence.")
The tree is obviously the way you came from, but I dont recall passing it when shep is "Conscious." (What is one random small ass tree doing in the middle of a galactic warzone anyway?)

Exhibit B:


-This is the scene we are all accustom to. Shepards heroic charge towards the conduit. Keep an eye open for any trees along your route. Personally, I didnt see a single one. Note: I have not investigated for this tree in game, and its possible that I've missed it due to the chaos of the scene, but I havent seen it in any videos I've watched (And I've watched plenty).

Now why would bioware not just reuse the previous map and add alittle carnage and blur to save themselves both time and money... And even if it is the same map (Im not an expert on how this game/map coding works), I doubt they just decided to add a random ass tree all a sudden just for the "lolz". If someone can confirm my theory in game, the likely hood of this being an oversight is very low, near 0. Assuming that tree is not in the final assault on the conduit, but only in the "dream," it proves that shepard is hallucinating to some extent (Even if it is just a tree). And if he is hallucinating at that point, we can infer that NOTHING after the laser beam incident actually occurred.

If it turns out to be true, it is a small piece of reliable evidence, and this thread needs all the evidence it can get.

I apologized if someone already posted this, but I figured it was random enough that its possible no one noticed.

Thoughts? Am I on to something or just on a wild krogan chase?

Grasping for emergency induction ports here... but holding the line none the less.


There are trees at 0:44 on the right side
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRB3fYH9SUI&feature=related

I support indoctrination theory. It's the only way ending makes sense.

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njfluffy19 wrote...

If the endings remain as they stand now, I think they should put this after the credits...


- legion. LEGION!.
- acknowledged.

about to soil myself.

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njfluffy19 wrote...

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Congratulations harby, you win an internetz! :lol:

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njfluffy19 wrote...

If the endings remain as they stand now, I think they should put this after the credits...


Better this one ( sorry if it was already posted)


Modifié par MilesNais, 20 mars 2012 - 04:20 .


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tettenjager wrote...

check this out plz

http://images1.wikia...ges/6/6e/Yo.jpg

I think that if bioware can pull this off... Well ill be more happy:p


Thats interesting...

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Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

tettenjager wrote...

check this out plz

http://images1.wikia...ges/6/6e/Yo.jpg

I think that if bioware can pull this off... Well ill be more happy:p


Thats interesting...


Is this from fans or official from BioWare?

#18787
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It's completely evident that post-harby lazer is all a hallucination. When you wake up, the area around the beam is covered with the same ghostly trees and white fog that shep saw in his dreams with the kid. C'mon...how did 95% of BSN miss that?...

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lex0r11 wrote...

njfluffy19 wrote...

If the endings remain as they stand now, I think they should put this after the credits...


- legion. LEGION!.
- acknowledged.

about to soil myself.

Dude phunnyneon is so funnyPosted Image

#18789
njfluffy19

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nighthawk132651 wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

njfluffy19 wrote...

If the endings remain as they stand now, I think they should put this after the credits...


- legion. LEGION!.
- acknowledged.

about to soil myself.

Dude phunnyneon is so funnyPosted Image




He should make a full on webseries.

#18790
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FrostByte-GER wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

tettenjager wrote...

check this out plz

http://images1.wikia...ges/6/6e/Yo.jpg

I think that if bioware can pull this off... Well ill be more happy:p


Thats interesting...


Is this from fans or official from BioWare?


A fan.

#18791
S Atomeha

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FrostByte-GER wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

tettenjager wrote...

check this out plz

http://images1.wikia...ges/6/6e/Yo.jpg

I think that if bioware can pull this off... Well ill be more happy:p


Thats interesting...


Is this from fans or official from BioWare?

from fans i think

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Raistlin Majare 1992

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titusrsoooooo1337 wrote...

It's completely evident that post-harby lazer is all a hallucination. When you wake up, the area around the beam is covered with the same ghostly trees and white fog that shep saw in his dreams with the kid. C'mon...how did 95% of BSN miss that?...


Hate is clouding their vision, they do not see as we see. To them it only oily bleakness, Bioware slowly Reaping their sanity.

I have no idea where that came from.

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RyanHensley2010

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Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

titusrsoooooo1337 wrote...

It's completely evident that post-harby lazer is all a hallucination. When you wake up, the area around the beam is covered with the same ghostly trees and white fog that shep saw in his dreams with the kid. C'mon...how did 95% of BSN miss that?...


Hate is clouding their vision, they do not see as we see. To them it only oily bleakness, Bioware slowly Reaping their sanity.

I have no idea where that came from.


Very poetic..

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the indoctrination theory is the only way to explain the ending that we saw.It makes sense to me and it makes sense to a lot of people. BioWare has better writers and this proves it. I personally don't mind this ending, I think its the best ending ever if in fact there is a second part to it. Which is the question that remains in my head. Because to me, it seems like you were hallucinating and nothing really happened other than the fight for your freewill. So, everything is still at play.

I will be disappointed if BioWare intended to end the game like this - which I doubt. But they haven't confirmed anything. To Be honest, the multiplayer seems pointless if the game is done and the reapers are dead. I think they're giving themselves more time to complete the ending. The indoctrination theory fits well in this with having us wait and reflect on what happened in order to give us an awesome ending.

After playing chess with Traynor, and discussing the fact that the strategy Shepard used would have worked in RL by having the Krogan in the front lines led to me to believe that at the end Shepard will be giving commands to all the squad members and their team just like in ME2 but in a larger form.

these are my thoughts though!

#18795
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sorry to be offtopic, but holy ****

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lex0r11 wrote...

sorry to be offtopic, but holy ****

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you know you ****ed up as writers when somebody foresees your "twists".

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Hold. The. ******* Line.
WHY can fans create more plausible and money deserving solutions while the people that get paid for doing their job...do this!? *Points at the insanely ridiculous God like force in the shape of a child.*
This will not blow over BioWare, deal with it.
We will not surrender.
We will not forget.
We will hold the line!

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Neural73 wrote...

Navasha wrote...

I think its also a point to note the placement/location of the choices. In my first playthrough, I was trying so hard to absorb all the details of everything that was happening so quickly, that when I finally got control back from all the dialog, the only path appeared to be forward into the big beam of light. The path that ultimately the reapers want you to take the most. It seemed like the only decision before me at the time and I willingly jumped into the beam of light half expecting to make my choice there.

Those little "side" steps silently slide in from the side leading to the destroy and control endings.


Exactly the same happened with me!!!


Oh wow, I'm not alone!  This almost happened to me too.  I only noticed the other paths at the last minute because I was looking around at the space battles and soaking up the atmosphere.  I was pretty sure the beam of light was where I'd make my choice.  Felt like I was drunk the whole time in that room.  NICE TRY, GODKID.

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Glad to see a lot more people buying into this theory. Welcome aboard, don't let the hate cloud your judgment of what may be a fantastic ending.

And to the rest of us, keep holding that line... and eat the fools who come in to troll us.

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I know this was posted some times but I just got the see this vid:
www.youtube.com/watch

Oh boy, the original plot with dark energy would have been so much better... *sigh*
Also his explanations fit pretty well.

Modifié par SirLugash, 20 mars 2012 - 04:52 .