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chkchkchk wrote...

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My question is, if you're playing as FemShep, and do everything exactly the same, does this "secret ending" scene show a female body in the rubble, taking a breath? Or, is it still a male body?

I guess the body really didn't change, my mistake. It's still her, you can tell by the voice, if it was some random soldier they wouldnt have changed it to a girl. Though I do feel for her, Harby blew her boobs off :pinched:

Yeah, my Shepard is a woman and that breath sounded female.  Wouldn't make sense to show a random N7 marine waking up in the rubble anyway, haha.


Exactly, there are a select few people we know about who are actually classified or participated in the N7 program. Shepard (obviously), Anderson (who no longer wears that armor or goes by that designation), and James (who could not be formally inducted or given gear because of the state of the war)

by process of elimination, that is our dear shepard taking a nap in some broken buildings :P

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Rapid eye movement, intense dreaming . remind you of something ????

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JTP117 wrote...

chkchkchk wrote...

JTP117 wrote...

ssltrain wrote...

My question is, if you're playing as FemShep, and do everything exactly the same, does this "secret ending" scene show a female body in the rubble, taking a breath? Or, is it still a male body?

I guess the body really didn't change, my mistake. It's still her, you can tell by the voice, if it was some random soldier they wouldnt have changed it to a girl. Though I do feel for her, Harby blew her boobs off :pinched:

Yeah, my Shepard is a woman and that breath sounded female.  Wouldn't make sense to show a random N7 marine waking up in the rubble anyway, haha.


Exactly, there are a select few people we know about who are actually classified or participated in the N7 program. Shepard (obviously), Anderson (who no longer wears that armor or goes by that designation), and James (who could not be formally inducted or given gear because of the state of the war)

by process of elimination, that is our dear shepard taking a nap in some broken buildings :P

Or just by looking at the file names :P

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If you look at james in the camp he wears no N7 armor and even when Shep is talking to his team, he wears no N7 like Shep.. and I don't think he changes armor when he is fighting somwere.... so the only possible person is shep, and I saw videos of male and female and the males chest is flatter than the females.

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

JTP117 wrote...

chkchkchk wrote...

JTP117 wrote...

ssltrain wrote...

My question is, if you're playing as FemShep, and do everything exactly the same, does this "secret ending" scene show a female body in the rubble, taking a breath? Or, is it still a male body?

I guess the body really didn't change, my mistake. It's still her, you can tell by the voice, if it was some random soldier they wouldnt have changed it to a girl. Though I do feel for her, Harby blew her boobs off :pinched:

Yeah, my Shepard is a woman and that breath sounded female.  Wouldn't make sense to show a random N7 marine waking up in the rubble anyway, haha.


Exactly, there are a select few people we know about who are actually classified or participated in the N7 program. Shepard (obviously), Anderson (who no longer wears that armor or goes by that designation), and James (who could not be formally inducted or given gear because of the state of the war)

by process of elimination, that is our dear shepard taking a nap in some broken buildings :P

Or just by looking at the file names :P


Hahaha true, true

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Indoc Theory needs a rival twitter page to @Retake...

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titusrsoooooo1337 wrote...

Indoc Theory needs a rival twitter page to @Retake...


We don't really want to rival them though, we just expanded upon what they want. They stopped at "the endings suck" we determined WHY they suck and what may actually be happening

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JTP117 wrote...

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Indoc Theory needs a rival twitter page to @Retake...


We don't really want to rival them though, we just expanded upon what they want. They stopped at "the endings suck" we determined WHY they suck and what may actually be happening


That's what i'm trying to get across. They use that page as a rallying cry for their group, we should have one that sedates their whining with good old fashioned rebuttals. It also gives us a chance to expand and get more of the player base to look at this theory...I cant tell you how many people I've had to direct to this page in the last week.

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The indoctrination theory is just one way to go about getting some kind of "closure DLC". I personally think using this theory is the best way to keep the current endings and expand on them. But there could be other ways. Certainly the indoctrination theory is the only way I can stomach what I just witnessed.

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Okay, so I've been recently reexamining this theory and one thing someone said was about the trees.

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I only have the Restart Mission save, so I saw them there, but I don't feel like going back all the way. Are there seriously no trees before the beam hits? I don't remember any, but it's been a while.

Modifié par Unit-Alpha, 20 mars 2012 - 05:49 .


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Unit-Alpha wrote...

Okay, so I've been recently reexamining this theory and one thing someone said was about the trees.

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I only have the Restart Mission save, so I saw them there, but I don't feel like going back all the way. Are there seriously no tree before the beam hits? I don't remember any, but it's been a while.


It may have been my post, but yes they are only there after the beam hits. There's also white fog around the edges of the area which was not there prior to the beam either. I didn't know about this theory until after I beat the game but after seeing the trees and fog I immediately thought I was in a dream again, and actually got the "wake up" ending which lead me to believe it was indoc. Funny.

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Unit-Alpha wrote...

Okay, so I've been recently reexamining this theory and one thing someone said was about the trees.

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I only have the Restart Mission save, so I saw them there, but I don't feel like going back all the way. Are there seriously no tree before the beam hits? I don't remember any, but it's been a while.


There are no plants of any kind, there are a few gameplay vids on here you can watch if you don't want to do the whole mission again

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titusrsoooooo1337 wrote...

JTP117 wrote...

titusrsoooooo1337 wrote...

Indoc Theory needs a rival twitter page to @Retake...


We don't really want to rival them though, we just expanded upon what they want. They stopped at "the endings suck" we determined WHY they suck and what may actually be happening


That's what i'm trying to get across. They use that page as a rallying cry for their group, we should have one that sedates their whining with good old fashioned rebuttals. It also gives us a chance to expand and get more of the player base to look at this theory...I cant tell you how many people I've had to direct to this page in the last week.


Well then that IS a good idea :)

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Unit-Alpha wrote...

Okay, so I've been recently reexamining this theory and one thing someone said was about the trees.



I only have the Restart Mission save, so I saw them there, but I don't feel like going back all the way. Are there seriously no trees before the beam hits? I don't remember any, but it's been a while.


There's a few trees along the path down on the right-far down side, near the Tank that rolls in and explodes.

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titusrsoooooo1337 wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Okay, so I've been recently reexamining this theory and one thing someone said was about the trees.

Posted Image

I only have the Restart Mission save, so I saw them there, but I don't feel like going back all the way. Are there seriously no tree before the beam hits? I don't remember any, but it's been a while.


It may have been my post, but yes they are only there after the beam hits. There's also white fog around the edges of the area which was not there prior to the beam either. I didn't know about this theory until after I beat the game but I immediately thought I was in a dream again, and actually got the "wake up" ending which lead me to believe it was indoc. Funny.


That's pretty convincing evidence, thanks.

There is no way someone "accidently" dropped in a few trees for the post-hit scene, as they were more than likely just modifying the pre-hit scene. I'm convinced.

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Dezman8 wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Okay, so I've been recently reexamining this theory and one thing someone said was about the trees.



I only have the Restart Mission save, so I saw them there, but I don't feel like going back all the way. Are there seriously no trees before the beam hits? I don't remember any, but it's been a while.


There's a few trees along the path down on the right-far down side, near the Tank that rolls in and explodes.


I'm talking about that patch right behind you in the middle. That was my cue.

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Unit-Alpha wrote...

titusrsoooooo1337 wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Okay, so I've been recently reexamining this theory and one thing someone said was about the trees.

Posted Image

I only have the Restart Mission save, so I saw them there, but I don't feel like going back all the way. Are there seriously no tree before the beam hits? I don't remember any, but it's been a while.


It may have been my post, but yes they are only there after the beam hits. There's also white fog around the edges of the area which was not there prior to the beam either. I didn't know about this theory until after I beat the game but I immediately thought I was in a dream again, and actually got the "wake up" ending which lead me to believe it was indoc. Funny.


That's pretty convincing evidence, thanks.

There is no way someone "accidently" dropped in a few trees for the post-hit scene, as they were more than likely just modifying the pre-hit scene. I'm convinced.


We were teleported to Silent Hill, I tell you! The Starchild is secretly Alyssa Gillespie!!

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Keep holding the line, we need Shepard alive. if he dies humanity mite as well follow.


Then see to it that we don't lose him.  Hold the line!

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Dwailing wrote...

N7xELITE wrote...

Keep holding the line, we need Shepard alive. if he dies humanity mite as well follow.


Then see to it that we don't lose him.  Hold the line!


Epic quotes are epic

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JTP117 wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

N7xELITE wrote...

Keep holding the line, we need Shepard alive. if he dies humanity mite as well follow.


Then see to it that we don't lose him.  Hold the line!


Epic quotes are epic


So true.

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Dwailing wrote...

N7xELITE wrote...

Keep holding the line, we need Shepard alive. if he dies humanity mite as well follow.


Then see to it that we don't lose him.  Hold the line!

Roger that 

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Dwailing wrote...

JTP117 wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

N7xELITE wrote...

Keep holding the line, we need Shepard alive. if he dies humanity mite as well follow.


Then see to it that we don't lose him.  Hold the line!


Epic quotes are epic


So true.

Keep holding the line.

#18848
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I thought the ending of lost ( TV series) was weird then I played the ending of mass effect 3.

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So, I just got up...any news yet from Bioware? Isn't Tuesday their day to reveal things?

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Hm, the reason I really like this theory, is that it means that Bioware are actually very very smart people.

I also like this theory because it almost makes me want to pick up the game again. But a response on what is right or wrong would be lovely around about now :)