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[Ghrelt]

Martukis wrote...

Ellythe wrote...

What? I actually like the Halo games. I think they would be better with some storyline though. Bioware + Halo = my heaven.

 I'll admit, when I first saw Avina I thought of Halo.

Me, too!  I swear I said out loud the first time I played, "Hmmm, is that Cortana, or Tron??".

[Tessah]

I would say that.. all this makes alot of sense.. but then again we dont know anything from bioware ? or what they have planned ?.. i so wanna belive that all this is just a hold up.. im wondering where is the fight vs harbringer?

[njfluffy19]

About the light... It's probably just sloppy work and doesn't serve and real purpose besides scenery. We're just noticing every little thing because we're searching for clues.

[njfluffy19]

Modifié par njfluffy19, 20 mars 2012 - 08:54 .

[kyg_20X6]

Modifié par kyg_20X6, 20 mars 2012 - 08:58 .

[Rob Psyence]

I'm going to add that in the artbook they state that originally they had planned a boss fight with TIM turning into a husk creature. But they go from literal boss fight to scrapping it with a psychological fight? Kinda strange considering the first two games have defined literal ending boss fights.

[njfluffy19]

kyg_20X6 wrote...

Rofl! Derpy Shepards Unite!

[lokiarchetype]

Martukis wrote...

Ellythe wrote...

What? I actually like the Halo games. I think they would be better with some storyline though. Bioware + Halo = my heaven.

 I'll admit, when I first saw Avina I thought of Halo.

Cortana - The lovechild of synthesis Joker and EDI?

[Sammuthegreat]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Sammuthegreat wrote...

Just to clarify - I absolutely DO believe in the Indoc Theory, it's the only way the ending makes sense, and moreover it turns one of the worst endings in history into one of the absolute best. It's just the boring "voice of realism" inside me that's making me worried. There's no precedent for such a risky marketing manoeuvre, and for good reason.

...But there's a first time for everything, right? [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/sideways.png[/smilie]

Hold off on the best ending in history card.  There will still be the issue of follow-up DLC, which then leads into the issue of BioWare having to absolutely deliver there, or no dice and the world burns.

But hyperbole is the BEST THING EVER.

You're right though. It would certainly be the cleverest, ballsiest and best fake-out a company's ever pulled, but by virtue of the simple fact that it wouldn't actually be an "ending" at all, it wouldn't be the best ending ever.

[jedsithor]

I have one problem with the indoctrination theory - Harbinger isn't firing mind control beams. he's firing laser/plasma/random energy beams that tear through space ships and basically obliterate everything. If indoctrination is true, I don't think it can be because of Harbinger firing on Shepard. I think that can have a direct impact, like Shepard being so weak after the blast that Harbinger can take control of his mind through some telepathic means, but the beam itself doesn't cause indoctrination.

[XXIceColdXX]

My take on the ending was, that Shepard goes into a dream/hallucination either after hit by Harbingers beam or after blood loss after Anderson dies.

Unless there is DLC to show further events, I believe the reapers won the war.

[Ghrelt]

jedsithor wrote...

I have one problem with the indoctrination theory - Harbinger isn't firing mind control beams. he's firing laser/plasma/random energy beams that tear through space ships and basically obliterate everything. If indoctrination is true, I don't think it can be because of Harbinger firing on Shepard. I think that can have a direct impact, like Shepard being so weak after the blast that Harbinger can take control of his mind through some telepathic means, but the beam itself doesn't cause indoctrination.

Agreed.

[Sammuthegreat]

jedsithor wrote...

I have one problem with the indoctrination theory - Harbinger isn't firing mind control beams. he's firing laser/plasma/random energy beams that tear through space ships and basically obliterate everything. If indoctrination is true, I don't think it can be because of Harbinger firing on Shepard. I think that can have a direct impact, like Shepard being so weak after the blast that Harbinger can take control of his mind through some telepathic means, but the beam itself doesn't cause indoctrination.

I don't think that's actually stated anywhere in the Indoc Theory. If it is though, and I missed it, I totally agree.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

jedsithor wrote...

I have one problem with the indoctrination theory - Harbinger isn't firing mind control beams. he's firing laser/plasma/random energy beams that tear through space ships and basically obliterate everything. If indoctrination is true, I don't think it can be because of Harbinger firing on Shepard. I think that can have a direct impact, like Shepard being so weak after the blast that Harbinger can take control of his mind through some telepathic means, but the beam itself doesn't cause indoctrination.

I don't think that's what the Theory suggest, it suggest that after being nearly killed by the beam Shepard is much more susceptible to indoctrination.

[MassEffectFan11]

Rob Psyence wrote...

I'm going to add that in the artbook they state that originally they had planned a boss fight with TIM turning into a husk creature. But they go from literal boss fight to scrapping it with a psychological fight? Kinda strange considering the first two games have defined literal ending boss fights.

As I recall, they also said they didn't want to do that because it didn't really fit TIM's character.

[MassEffectFan11]

jedsithor wrote...

I have one problem with the indoctrination theory - Harbinger isn't firing mind control beams. he's firing laser/plasma/random energy beams that tear through space ships and basically obliterate everything. If indoctrination is true, I don't think it can be because of Harbinger firing on Shepard. I think that can have a direct impact, like Shepard being so weak after the blast that Harbinger can take control of his mind through some telepathic means, but the beam itself doesn't cause indoctrination.

I personally think the indoctrination is coming from Shepard's constant contact with Husks, Reaper tech, Object Rho, the Derelict Reaper, and other such things. I've never seen how the idea that Harbinger's doom laser blasting Shepard in the face and indoctrinating him made sense.

[Avadan232]

I would like to link this video....  he explains what was going to be the original ending and proposes what he would do to fix the ending. The ending he proposes is just fantastic and is on the lines of what i was thinking in terms of epicness and scope

Sorry if this has been posted before, and if so i believe it deserves to be posted again
http://www.youtube.com/watch

And his follow up which focuses on other things that could of been improved
www.youtube.com/watch

Modifié par Avadan232, 20 mars 2012 - 09:58 .

[MegumiAzusa]

MassEffectFan11 wrote...

Rob Psyence wrote...

I'm going to add that in the artbook they state that originally they had planned a boss fight with TIM turning into a husk creature. But they go from literal boss fight to scrapping it with a psychological fight? Kinda strange considering the first two games have defined literal ending boss fights.

As I recall, they also said they didn't want to do that because it didn't really fit TIM's character.

Yes, additionally they stated it was "One of the plans on the drawing board" meaning one of many.

[N7xELITE]

first time I played mass effect 1 I loved it. now its my favourite game series, so I say look at it this way if we do not get a new ending its not the end of the world, just look at the journey you have had with this story and Shepard. and yes it would be nice to have a new ending and you have my full support. But look at the bigger picture. Its changed the way I play games. either way I am happy with mass effect and the fun I have had with it no matter what . indoctrination Theory FTW Keep holding the line.

[zakaryzb]

The one think that is keeping me going with this whole theory is the fact that I have never seen this kind of response/uproar/media following/conspiracy from any other game. EVER. I don't know if it's just the following this series has or what but its incredible. There have been many games that have had bad endings and terrible plot holes but did see anything like this after the game was released.

Think back to KOTOR 2. While that wasn't be Bioware, it was still a series that had a huge following, plus it was in the Star Wars universe for God sakes and yet it never got any kind or response like this is getting. I'm confident Bioware has something up their sleeve or they will make this right in the end,

Modifié par zakaryzb, 20 mars 2012 - 09:39 .

[lex0r11]

Avadan232 wrote...

I would like to link this video.... It explains he explains what was going to be the original ending and proposes what he would do to fix the ending. The ending he proposes is just fantastic and is on the lines of what i was thinking in terms of epicness and scope

Sorry if this has been posted before, and if so i believe it deserves to be posted again
http://www.youtube.com/watch

And his follow up which focuses on other things that could of been improved
www.youtube.com/watch

hearing the points from the first video makes me a bit sad, knowing what could have been.

[ValnKmere]

C'mon people, lets continue to support the Indoctrination Theory. Hold the line!

[Rob Psyence]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

MassEffectFan11 wrote...

Rob Psyence wrote...

I'm going to add that in the artbook they state that originally they had planned a boss fight with TIM turning into a husk creature. But they go from literal boss fight to scrapping it with a psychological fight? Kinda strange considering the first two games have defined literal ending boss fights.

As I recall, they also said they didn't want to do that because it didn't really fit TIM's character.

Yes, additionally they stated it was "One of the plans on the drawing board" meaning one of many.

I'm aware of that, I'm just saying they went the more psychological route instead, which puts indoctorination in the realm of possibilities.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

jedsithor wrote...

I have one problem with the indoctrination theory - Harbinger isn't firing mind control beams. he's firing laser/plasma/random energy beams that tear through space ships and basically obliterate everything. If indoctrination is true, I don't think it can be because of Harbinger firing on Shepard. I think that can have a direct impact, like Shepard being so weak after the blast that Harbinger can take control of his mind through some telepathic means, but the beam itself doesn't cause indoctrination.

Adrenaline speeds up the Indoctrination process, this is stated during the files on the Husk experiments in Sanctuary. What would bring Shepards pulse up more than charging the beam of light while harbinger is riåpping things apart left and right.

Oh and about the ripping things apart. Harbinger precision shoots vehicles, both flying and driving, but he misses a single slow moving human? Commander Shepard no less, someone we know Harbinger knows in person and Harbinger just misses him/her and then flies away just as Sheaprd gets back up?

[N7xELITE]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

jedsithor wrote...

I have one problem with the indoctrination theory - Harbinger isn't firing mind control beams. he's firing laser/plasma/random energy beams that tear through space ships and basically obliterate everything. If indoctrination is true, I don't think it can be because of Harbinger firing on Shepard. I think that can have a direct impact, like Shepard being so weak after the blast that Harbinger can take control of his mind through some telepathic means, but the beam itself doesn't cause indoctrination.

Adrenaline speeds up the Indoctrination process, this is stated during the files on the Husk experiments in Sanctuary. What would bring Shepards pulse up more than charging the beam of light while harbinger is riåpping things apart left and right.

Oh and about the ripping things apart. Harbinger precision shoots vehicles, both flying and driving, but he misses a single slow moving human? Commander Shepard no less, someone we know Harbinger knows in person and Harbinger just misses him/her and then flies away just as Sheaprd gets back up?

I know. maybe he has something planned for shepard in the future?