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[njfluffy19]

Thandran wrote...

Remembered one last thing...

starting the walking scene towards the beam for the Citadel I first turned around and saw a tree like those in the 'dream sequences'.

Mysteries!

This has been stated!

[legaldinho]

So I looked at the beginning vid again, by Guidemesilly.

At 08:58 he zooms in on the warning sign adjacent to the duct which the abominable godchild crawled into.. Anybody else think it looks fishy? I mean, it's a bit strange. The figure looks like a husk doesn't it? Sinister certainly. And the red thunder sign right on the figure's head. WARNING. Is it really electorcution the sign is meant to warn against?

[ArkkAngel007]

wathc me tyep wrote...

The eyes have nothing to do with indoctrination. They are prosthetic eyes - Shepard's eyes have probably melted away or deteriorated enough that they need replacement/enhancement when he was revived. The 3dot design for eye prosthetics is also seen on EDI. The eye design has nothing to do with indoctrination.

Now their colour might, although it's most likely just an artistic addition. TIM's eyes were blue before he "upgraded" himself as seen in that log on the Cerberus base and after that they were green.

To be fair, we don't know all the technology behind Shepard's revival.  It is an opening, though a weak one.

And TIMs eyes were always like that because they were changed by Reaper Tech during the First-Contact War.  So the eye design is affiliated to Reaper tech and indoctrination.  

That doesn't necessarily mean Shepard is in the same boat though.

[wathc me tyep]

Reaper tech in the First-Contact war? Is this comic book or novel stuff?

[theflyingfrogfish]

Comic book, I believe, though I can't remember which one.

[Dwailing]

theflyingfrogfish wrote...

Comic book, I believe, though I can't remember which one.

Mass Effect: Evolution, I think.

[DusalisDrake]

lex0r11 wrote...

hey, didn't the reaper on rannoch say something like "harbinger is saying you still resist, but you will fail shepard."

Rannoch Reaper: Harbinger speaks of you. You resist. But you will fail.

[nyrocron]

lex0r11 wrote...

hey, didn't the reaper on rannoch say something like "harbinger is saying you still resist, but you will fail shepard."

Can someone post the exact dialogue? That would maybe make a nice point. But ofc you could just say that it means resistance against reapers in general, not indoctrination specifically.

/edit: was posted thx.
/edit2: got to sleep now, keep up the discussion! dont let  win!

Modifié par nyrocron, 21 mars 2012 - 12:44 .

[ArkkAngel007]

Dwailing wrote...

theflyingfrogfish wrote...

Comic book, I believe, though I can't remember which one.

Mass Effect: Evolution, I think.

Yeah, that's the one.  

[RorickHuon]

nyrocron wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

hey, didn't the reaper on rannoch say something like "harbinger is saying you still resist, but you will fail shepard."

Can someone post the exact dialogue? That would maybe make a nice point. But ofc you could just say that it means resistance against reapers in general, not indoctrination specifically.

/edit: was posted thx.
/edit2: got to sleep now, keep up the discussion! dont let  win!

 

I love this little convo

[TheLastAwakening]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

To be fair, we don't know all the technology behind Shepard's revival.  It is an opening, though a weak one.

And TIMs eyes were always like that because they were changed by Reaper Tech during the First-Contact War.  So the eye design is affiliated to Reaper tech and indoctrination.  

That doesn't necessarily mean Shepard is in the same boat though.

That is not a weak opening...

Modifié par TheLastAwakening, 21 mars 2012 - 12:58 .

[FemaleTengu]

(These forums seriously need a new board. This is the FORTH time I have written this out and it is becoming annoying!!!)

I read OP, but to be frank, I can't be arsed to read over 700+ pages. (Plus it's late and I am tired.) So if what I point out already has been, you have permission to shoot me. ;~;

I agree with all the point so far, but would also like to point out a few more things, to add to the theory:

- On Rannoch, Shepard speaks to a dying Reaper and it makes the camera shakes and that weird ID sound can be heard as the Reaper speaks. What gets me the most is NO one addresses this. I know Legon has the Geth to see to and the Quarians have their planet to think of. But they are close by when Shepard and the Reaper speak and don't say a thing about it!

- As the game progresses, you can understand what the Reapers say. I swear I heard a few Marauders mutter "Shepard" as I shot them dead, in London. 

- Once hit by the light Anderson becomes very OOC. Although what struck me, as off, the most is how he refereed to Shepard as "kid" since he never EVER calls him/her that. Plus, considering all he has gone through, I don't see him as the type to just  roll over and die, like he did. 

- After Anderson dies, Shepard, looks at his/her wounds. One minute they have a reasonable amount of blood, bruises and overall damage. However, when Hackett contacts Shepard, his/her arms are COVERED in blood. Then when they drag their butt from the floor, there is NO blood trail. You would of thought there would be, from all the damage sustained. If that wasn't enough, once you see Star Child, Shepard is magically semi-fixed up. There is no massive amount of blood, as shown before Shepard passed out. Also Shepard is able to limp, when before they passed out, they had to drag themselves to the console. 

- Hackett and Anderson are able to contact Shepard, with no interference, once inside the Citadel. When around, Reapers usually block all communications. Nothing loud and clear, just turns fuzzy or outright cuts out. Throughout the entire series it is emphasized how Reapers block out signals. So how were they able to speak with Shepard, so clearly?

- Star Child smiles when you chose green and blue, but frowns as you choose red. 

- Once game is completed you go back to before final showdown, with Kai Leng, at T.I.M's base, as if nothing ever happened. Everything is the same before **** got real. Now, we all knew Cerberus had some Reaper tech. (Retribution hints at that much.) But getting hold of the Human Reaper's heart? Seriously now? I mean, I know Cerberus make a point to make the impossible, possible, but really now? They shouldn't of been able to get it. Plus you nuked the Collector base, to stop this from even happening! So how did they get it? 

Anyway, that is as much as I can remember, from my original post. (With some added bits.) Sorry if people have already said this stuff, but yeah. Really can't be arsed to read 700+ pages. Forgive me please?

Modifié par FemaleTengu, 21 mars 2012 - 01:03 .

[Icinix]

TheLastAwakening wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

To be fair, we don't know all the technology behind Shepard's revival.  It is an opening, though a weak one.

And TIMs eyes were always like that because they were changed by Reaper Tech during the First-Contact War.  So the eye design is affiliated to Reaper tech and indoctrination.  

That doesn't necessarily mean Shepard is in the same boat though.

That is not a weak opening...

I like this theory.

If this is the case, and TIM has found a way to interupt the Reaper signal or even control it - this could be a good train of thought for why Shep is able to shrug off the indoctrination.

[Doug M]

Posted in the main Hold the Line thread:

We respectfully request BioWare create additional endings be added to the game which provide:

A more complete explanation of the story events in a manner consistent with the quality we've come to expect from the Mass Effect trilogy and BioWare.

An explaination of the outcome of the decisions made, especially with
regard to the planets, races, and companions detailed throughout the
series.

A wider variety of distinct endings which appropriately reflect the spectrum of possible player decisions and Effective Military Strength, from a tragic ending in which the Reapers are victorious to a heroic ending which provides a powerful sense of accomplishment, fulfillment, and closure.

Hold the line.

[iusty]

FemaleTengu wrote...

- As the game progresses, you can understand what the Reapers say. I swear I heard a few Marauders mutter "Shepard" as I shot them dead, in London. 

Maybe you were becoming indoctrinated?

[Dwailing]

 If anyone needs a laugh.  This is a what NOT to do in ME3 multiplayer. 
http://achievementhu...4499&v=trending

[Silhouett3]

NOVEL SPOILERS, read if you want to know about the background of Illusive Man and Cerberus;

--

Cerberus always continued experimenting on Reaper tech and Husks before and after you attack Collector Base. That's their ultimate method.
In Mass Effect: Ascension, Cerberus implanted one of their operatives, Paul Grayson -who is mentioned in ME3 even by Shepard-, intentionally letting him get indoctrinated. He changed both physically and mentally. After the suicide of Saren, Reapers acted careful this time and didn't let him into thinking about ending his life. In the end Reapers gained full control of him and started gathering information about Alliance through his contacts.Kai Leng acquired data of his last stage of indoctrination and Cerberus gained the most detailed info than everyone else.

According to the comics, The Illusive Man's eyes changed permanently to blue after direct contact with a Reaper artifact, just like the way it's happened for Saren.

[Allaiya]

This theory makes the most sense of the ending imo.

I also think the opening of ME3 hints at this theory, or at least that the kid is more than what he initially seems. I mean, you see the signs "Warning", "Danger", and "Caution" behind the child all in the opening segment. That can't be a coincidence.

[Bubalo]

Ive hoped on board the indoc theory, think it also fits with BioWare's silence as well in terms of not wanting to spoil it. Granted I also wouldnt be surprised if this wasnt BioWare's intention... I think I am at the point where I just dont care anymore

[legaldinho]

mrfinke wrote...

This theory makes the most sense of the ending imo.

I also think the opening of ME3 hints at this theory, or at least that the kid is more than what he initially seems. I mean, you see the signs "Warning", "Danger", and "Caution" behind the child all in the opening segment. That can't be a coincidence.

Yep, and caution right after. At 8:58, warnng and a lightning arrow impacting on the head of a sinister looking face... like a husk. In the dream section everytime you get close, red lights appear around the kid and the "reaper horn" sound is heard. He could be chased by a reaper. Or he's leading you on a merry chase. In the third and final dream, he runs to an alter ego of shepard, who embraces him. They burn together. Both looking rather morose. Heavy imagery.

[Dwailing]

Bubalo wrote...

Ive hoped on board the indoc theory, think it also fits with BioWare's silence as well in terms of not wanting to spoil it. Granted I also wouldnt be surprised if this wasnt BioWare's intention... I think I am at the point where I just dont care anymore

Don't give up!  Hold the line!

[ManznPain]

That sad feeling when you realize that after getting hit by Harbys beam:
Reapers playing with the mind of everyone that ran to the beam. The three husks that come your way are fleeing marines of the Hammer unit.
Marauder Shields is Anderson.
:'(

Yeah, doesn't really make sense but you know... Lots of speculation from everyone!

[chkchkchk]

EXMugamy wrote...

That would be interesting as final, since I have a Femshep and romance with Liara.

My God, why don't we just have the fans make the epilogue?  It could be a series of still shots with music and text for all I care.  Where did these pictures come from?  Are there more?  My mind is blown.

[Dwailing]

ManznPain wrote...

That sad feeling when you realize that after getting hit by Harbys beam:
Reapers playing with the mind of everyone that ran to the beam. The three husks that come your way are fleeing marines of the Hammer unit.
Marauder Shields is Anderson.
:'(

Yeah, doesn't really make sense but you know... Lots of speculation from everyone!

Wait, that could be a great twist.  It would also make the sacrifice of Marauder Shields all the more meaningful.  Although, I would rather not have Anderson die. 

[titusrsoooooo1337]

ManznPain wrote...

That sad feeling when you realize that after getting hit by Harbys beam:
Reapers playing with the mind of everyone that ran to the beam. The three husks that come your way are fleeing marines of the Hammer unit.
Marauder Shields is Anderson.
:'(

Yeah, doesn't really make sense but you know... Lots of speculation from everyone!

This holds no water. People don't magically become husks within minutes...It takes days or more of sitting on the reaper "spike" to become a husk.