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[CitadelSurfer]

Martukis wrote...

Just to point out, they said it was likely that any DLC would be before or during the events of ME3, not after - but this would a concrete "certainly." With the exception of the retracted facebook post, of course. It may end up being semantics, but I hope they are truly considering feedback and might be willing to change it.

Read my comment above yours dude.

They said they wouldn't do "post ME3 DLC" but that doesn't mean the can could do DLC that happens during the events whilsts your in the rubble back on earth! That would still be present day in regards to ME. Like whilst your fighting off indoctrination in your mind, your crew finishes the fight for you. 

[Martukis]

Ah, I see. My bad - and indeed, that is the sort of ending I would prefer. I've seen several people argue that at some point - mostly in the Final Hours app - it is mentioned that they will likely only make dlc set during/before ME3, and interpreting it as meaning the ending is final and beyond changing. But yeah, that does sound good - I jumped the gun on that one.

[michal9o90]

CitadelSurfer wrote...

michal9o90 wrote...


I'm Inviting particularly Bioware workers and ofcourse all gamers to my topic about FTL speed, and joker escaping. I did some calculations for prove that ending is illogical. I hope you will enyoj this

http://social.biowar...ndex/10338578/1

And read post from @rinoe on the 6 page!

Amazing Maths work there mate. Good job. We all thought it was fishy and you have just slapped Bioware with a Maths book!

Keep up the good work.

Yeah thanks a lot. And invite new people to read this hahahah I hope Bioware will read my post, i even write to Jessica Merizan and invited her.

[CitadelSurfer]

Martukis wrote...

Ah, I see. My bad - and indeed, that is the sort of ending I would prefer. I've seen several people argue that at some point - mostly in the Final Hours app - it is mentioned that they will likely only make dlc set during/before ME3, and interpreting it as meaning the ending is final and beyond changing. But yeah, that does sound good - I jumped the gun on that one.

No worries man, with a thread this long it's hard to keep track! We can only hope. There is a lot of cryptic messages and hints from Bioware staff though regarding that we are not looking hard enough. Like there is something missing in the ending. Or you literally have to play the trilogy with certain choices. Who knows. All I know is that something weird is happening over there and we could be in for a nice surprise. Or they could have tossed up the ending haha.

[RearendJustice]

http://uninhibitedan.../mind-holy-fuck

This actually may have convinced me.

Modifié par RearendJustice, 21 mars 2012 - 10:45 .

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

RearendJustice wrote...

http://uninhibitedan.../mind-holy-fuck

This actually may have convinced me.

He put my thoughts when I played the ending to words, perfectly. I knew something was off and though Indoctrination was not my first thought everything still told me Destroy and not any of the other two.

[bryan12112]

Has anyone commented on the similarity of the beams of light used through out the ending? When Harbinger attacks, when Shepard is sent up to the Citadel and to the AI, and, if you choose to take that path, the "Synthesis" beam. They all look the same. It's probably nothing, and just represents Shepard being blinded by a bright light, but I've been thinking about it and wondering if it's not some kind of clue. The first one (Harbinger attack) seems a bit out of place.

www.youtube.com/watch (@ 00:11)

Probably just me thinking of stupid stuff in the middle of another sleepless night/morning.  

Modifié par bryan12112, 21 mars 2012 - 11:34 .

[Redbelle]

All evidence for indoc theory seems circumstantial but it's piling up. From a certain perspective it seems a genius move by Bioware to get players to understand the nature of indoctrination instead of just choosing the needed responses on the conversation wheel to break or succumb to it's hold. However from my viewpoint the Indoc theory will only play out if Bioware release an ending that confirms all the theories and speculation.

A few points I've not read anywhere that may contribute to the discussion.

Firstly: Why is the Synthesis ending green? The decision wheel deals with the blue red and grey. Each colour linking to good bad or neutral. Green has thus far not appeared.... or has it?

Looking back to project overlord David i.e. the guy strapped to the control frame with his eyes held open ala Clockwork orange interfaced with the Geth resulting in the colour green being displayed in their eyepiece and as a data surge out the body of a destoyed Geth platform. David, though he was insane at the time, was ultimately the one who directed the Geth in that instance, thereby removing the Geth's free will as was the projects intention.

Second: In the 1st dream sequence the camera holds it's view on a system of branches. However before the camera pans down to reveal the tree's I was thinking if those branches were nerves or represented blood vessels in the brain. It is only after the pan that we are given the context that they branches connected to trees. Given that the sequence is a dream and if Shepard is being indocrinated the close up of the branches may imply we are in Shepard's mind. Later on when the black smoke is being released this could further imply an active assualt by the reapers on his perceptions of what is right and wrong.

Lastly: The ending whereby all the mass relays are destroyed shared a common theme with the above hypothesis of the branches representing Shep's mind. One relay fires the beam, From there two relays fire the beam, then four and so on in the same way that a single branch will grow out to become two. If indoc theory holds then the mass relays could be representations of Sheps mind overcoming or giving in to the Reapers based on the choices the player makes.

I hope Bioware have just expanded our understanding of the Reapers most dangerous weapon in their arsenal and given us time to reflect on what it is to be indoctrinated. It's one thing to watch others be indoctrinated but for Shepard to go through it himself sheds new light on old characters like Saren.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Redbelle wrote...

All evidence for indoc theory seems circumstantial but it's piling up. From a certain perspective it seems a genius move by Bioware to get players to understand the nature of indoctrination instead of just choosing the needed responses on the conversation wheel to break or succumb to it's hold. However from my viewpoint the Indoc theory will only play out if Bioware release an ending that confirms all the theories and speculation.

A few points I've not read anywhere that may contribute to the discussion.

Firstly: Why is the Synthesis ending green? The decision wheel deals with the blue red and grey. Each colour linking to good bad or neutral. Green has thus far not appeared.... or has it?

Looking back to project overlord David i.e. the guy strapped to the control frame with his eyes held open ala Clockwork orange interfaced with the Geth resulting in the colour green being displayed in their eyepiece and as a data surge out the body of a destoyed Geth platform. David, though he was insane at the time, was ultimately the one who directed the Geth in that instance, thereby removing the Geth's free will as was the projects intention.

Second: In the 1st dream sequence the camera holds it's view on a system of branches. However before the camera pans down to reveal the tree's I was thinking if those branches were nerves or represented blood vessels in the brain. It is only after the pan that we are given the context that they branches connected to trees. Given that the sequence is a dream and if Shepard is being indocrinated the close up of the branches may imply we are in Shepard's mind. Later on when the black smoke is being released this could further imply an active assualt by the reapers on his perceptions of what is right and wrong.

Lastly: The ending whereby all the mass relays are destroyed shared a common theme with the above hypothesis of the branches representing Shep's mind. One relay fires the beam, From there two relays fire the beam, then four and so on in the same way that a single branch will grow out to become two. If indoc theory holds then the mass relays could be representations of Sheps mind overcoming or giving in to the Reapers based on the choices the player makes.

I hope Bioware have just expanded our understanding of the Reapers most dangerous weapon in their arsenal and given us time to reflect on what it is to be indoctrinated. It's one thing to watch others be indoctrinated but for Shepard to go through it himself sheds new light on old characters like Saren.

Nice comparision with the Relays and the Brain, never thought of it that way.

But yes if this entire theory is correct Bioware has created the most intense and realistic depiction of how Indoctrination works, far more effectful and frightening than any explanation could be because we the gamer were the ones who were fooled and succumbed to it, not just Shepard.

[CitadelSurfer]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Redbelle wrote...

All evidence for indoc theory seems circumstantial but it's piling up. From a certain perspective it seems a genius move by Bioware to get players to understand the nature of indoctrination instead of just choosing the needed responses on the conversation wheel to break or succumb to it's hold. However from my viewpoint the Indoc theory will only play out if Bioware release an ending that confirms all the theories and speculation.

A few points I've not read anywhere that may contribute to the discussion.

Firstly: Why is the Synthesis ending green? The decision wheel deals with the blue red and grey. Each colour linking to good bad or neutral. Green has thus far not appeared.... or has it?

Looking back to project overlord David i.e. the guy strapped to the control frame with his eyes held open ala Clockwork orange interfaced with the Geth resulting in the colour green being displayed in their eyepiece and as a data surge out the body of a destoyed Geth platform. David, though he was insane at the time, was ultimately the one who directed the Geth in that instance, thereby removing the Geth's free will as was the projects intention.

Second: In the 1st dream sequence the camera holds it's view on a system of branches. However before the camera pans down to reveal the tree's I was thinking if those branches were nerves or represented blood vessels in the brain. It is only after the pan that we are given the context that they branches connected to trees. Given that the sequence is a dream and if Shepard is being indocrinated the close up of the branches may imply we are in Shepard's mind. Later on when the black smoke is being released this could further imply an active assualt by the reapers on his perceptions of what is right and wrong.

Lastly: The ending whereby all the mass relays are destroyed shared a common theme with the above hypothesis of the branches representing Shep's mind. One relay fires the beam, From there two relays fire the beam, then four and so on in the same way that a single branch will grow out to become two. If indoc theory holds then the mass relays could be representations of Sheps mind overcoming or giving in to the Reapers based on the choices the player makes.

I hope Bioware have just expanded our understanding of the Reapers most dangerous weapon in their arsenal and given us time to reflect on what it is to be indoctrinated. It's one thing to watch others be indoctrinated but for Shepard to go through it himself sheds new light on old characters like Saren.

Nice comparision with the Relays and the Brain, never thought of it that way.

But yes if this entire theory is correct Bioware has created the most intense and realistic depiction of how Indoctrination works, far more effectful and frightening than any explanation could be because we the gamer were the ones who were fooled and succumbed to it, not just Shepard.

If true, Bioware have completely changed the way people think about the gaming medium in how we percieve story and character development. Which is pretty scary.  Truly raised the bar by indoctrinating so many of us.

And also props to 
Raistlin Majare 1992 for the brain analogy. Very interesting indeed! 

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

CitadelSurfer wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Redbelle wrote...

All evidence for indoc theory seems circumstantial but it's piling up. From a certain perspective it seems a genius move by Bioware to get players to understand the nature of indoctrination instead of just choosing the needed responses on the conversation wheel to break or succumb to it's hold. However from my viewpoint the Indoc theory will only play out if Bioware release an ending that confirms all the theories and speculation.

A few points I've not read anywhere that may contribute to the discussion.

Firstly: Why is the Synthesis ending green? The decision wheel deals with the blue red and grey. Each colour linking to good bad or neutral. Green has thus far not appeared.... or has it?

Looking back to project overlord David i.e. the guy strapped to the control frame with his eyes held open ala Clockwork orange interfaced with the Geth resulting in the colour green being displayed in their eyepiece and as a data surge out the body of a destoyed Geth platform. David, though he was insane at the time, was ultimately the one who directed the Geth in that instance, thereby removing the Geth's free will as was the projects intention.

Second: In the 1st dream sequence the camera holds it's view on a system of branches. However before the camera pans down to reveal the tree's I was thinking if those branches were nerves or represented blood vessels in the brain. It is only after the pan that we are given the context that they branches connected to trees. Given that the sequence is a dream and if Shepard is being indocrinated the close up of the branches may imply we are in Shepard's mind. Later on when the black smoke is being released this could further imply an active assualt by the reapers on his perceptions of what is right and wrong.

Lastly: The ending whereby all the mass relays are destroyed shared a common theme with the above hypothesis of the branches representing Shep's mind. One relay fires the beam, From there two relays fire the beam, then four and so on in the same way that a single branch will grow out to become two. If indoc theory holds then the mass relays could be representations of Sheps mind overcoming or giving in to the Reapers based on the choices the player makes.

I hope Bioware have just expanded our understanding of the Reapers most dangerous weapon in their arsenal and given us time to reflect on what it is to be indoctrinated. It's one thing to watch others be indoctrinated but for Shepard to go through it himself sheds new light on old characters like Saren.

Nice comparision with the Relays and the Brain, never thought of it that way.

But yes if this entire theory is correct Bioware has created the most intense and realistic depiction of how Indoctrination works, far more effectful and frightening than any explanation could be because we the gamer were the ones who were fooled and succumbed to it, not just Shepard.

If true, Bioware have completely changed the way people think about the gaming medium in how we percieve story and character development. Which is pretty scary.  Truly raised the bar by indoctrinating so many of us.

And also props to 
Raistlin Majare 1992 for the brain analogy. Very interesting indeed! 

I was complimenting RedBelle for that brain thing as it is him who posted the part comparing the Relays firing to Sheaprds Mind, it is not my idea.

Also Salarian STG team in Denmark reporting in. Managed to scavenge a few heat sinks and other supplies from an abandoned supply station and heading towards the outskirts of Coopenhagen. Suprsingly little Reaper activity and it is keeping us on the edge.

Modifié par Raistlin Majare 1992, 21 mars 2012 - 11:26 .

[Kazalord2]

I can finally post here !
I am certainly convinced that the ending is definitely a false one. For example, I chose Garrus and James for the last fight, and guess what : Garrus appeared on the crashed Normady site.

Aaah, logic and space magic just don't mix.

[Rifneno]

You know, I just thought of something else that indicates it's all in Shepard's head. The mass relay network we see passing the signal along as it self-destructs is only relays that we (and by extention, Shepard) are acquainted with through the series. There are thousands of relays in all. It's possible that the CGI guys who made that movie didn't know their lore but...

Anyways,

[quote]MrFob wrote...

Well, I actually agree with that assessment. I also agree that a final boss fight is not needed. I though that was about the only good ting about the ending. I saw the reaper-TIM concepts in the art book. They definitely did well in cutting that and replacing it with the dialogue.
[/quote]

Except for one thing. TIM shouldn't be the final boss in the first place. This is about the Reapers, not some racist supremists. Sure, they're Reaper slaves so we have to fight them. I get that. But the final boss should never be just a mook to the real threat.

[quote]Irishkev wrote...

Granted I don't expect game developers to explain what dark energy is but simple research would suggest that sytnineses is atleast not possible in that weapon design.[/quote]

Plus there's the fact that the entire notion is magnificently retarded. I mean holy crap, have you guys seen that ending lately? I mean after you were done raging over it all (not insulting, EVERYONE raged over the ending)? It literally had me laughing it was so absurd. We see tree leaves and Joker's skin has printed circuitry on it like the inside of a $5 alarm clock. If you took this idea to Warner Brothers as an idea for a new Looney Tunes, they'd call you a neanderthal and have security throw you out. The mere idea of a "new DNA" that combines synthetic and organic life to everyone, everywhere, for eternity, is itself asinine. But they took extra steps to make sure you understand how much LSD they had to take to even come up with the idea. If there was a purple elephant playing a bango in the background, the whole thing still wouldn't have made any less sense.

[quote]Claym0re wrote...

The easter egg is the breathing scene which is the only "real evidence" that there is something shaky going there.[/quote]

No. BW says what's an easter egg and what's not, and they've only said that the Stargazer scene is an easter egg. Not the breathing scene. On the contrary, Jessica Merizan specifically told people on twitter that Shepard lives in the destroy ending. It is not "an easter egg." It's fact.

[quote]yumesama wrote...

I still want to know how we beat the reapers, but i can wait a little longer.[/quote]

... wish I could say the same. I'm crawling up the damn walls.

[quote]MrFob wrote...

I love the theory and if it were true, it would certainly make a whole lot of sense but there is just NO evidence and hardly even any indication whatsoever to support it. Also some of the bits just don't really fit IMO. Part of TIM's dialogue is very specific and doesn't sound to me like it's some representation of an inner conflict within Sheps mind.[/quote]

First of all, that's a ton of evidence. You can say that it doesn't convince you but don't claim it's not there. That's a blatant lie. Second, while a few bits may not sound exactly right in the context of IT, the entire thing fits like a brick down an anthill if it isn't all in Shepard's head. For example when Shepard asks TIM why he's sitting here talking if he can control the Reapers as he claims and TIM responds, "Because... I need you to believe." Riiiight. The same guy who on Mars told Shepard "I don't expect you to understand, and I'm certainly not looking for your approval."

[quote]Dwailing wrote...

I just had a thought. When Shepard goes to the Ardat-Yakshi monastery, Samara's daughter, Rila, had already begun experiencing the effects of indoctrination. She couldn't have been near to the Reapers for THAT long, and yet, she was already suffering the effects of being exposed to them. I wonder if something similar was happening with Shepard. [/quote]

A minor OT, but I really want to call Samara on her bull****. "There's only 3 ardat-yakshi known to exist. " Really? Sure seemed like there were more than 2 AY at that place. And these banshees are frickin' everywhere. 2 ardat-yakshi my ass...

[quote]wathc me tyep wrote...

The eyes have nothing to do with indoctrination. They are prosthetic eyes - Shepard's eyes have probably melted away or deteriorated enough that they need replacement/enhancement when he was revived. The 3dot design for eye prosthetics is also seen on EDI.[/quote]

You mean you think it has nothing to do with that. And you're wrong. It's established canon where TIM got those eyes, and I've give you a clue what billion year old race of sentient starships was involved in it.

[quote]chkchkchk wrote...

My God, why don't we just have the fans make the epilogue? It could be a series of still shots with music and text for all I care. Where did these pictures come from? Are there more? My mind is blown.[/quote]

inorite. The one I want to see the most is that scene somebody wrote where a swarm of like a thousand rachni just engulf a Reaper Destroyer like a swarm of killer bees and disassemble it. That is... I know the word gets overused on the internet, but that is truly epic.

[quote]Direwolf0294 wrote...

To suddenly come out and say "no Shepard was being mind controlled" is stupid. Shepard's death on the other hand was something that was hinted at numerous times during the game. The ending we got with Shepard dying was clearly the ending BioWare intended.[/quote]

Oh, is that why BW confirmed Shepard lives in the destroy ending? Funny, I thought it meant the opposite. Thanks for clarifying!

[quote]Legion109 wrote...

I don't really believe that Bioware planned the IT but I do think Bioware would be fools not to roll with it now that so much of ME3 lines up with it and I wanted to thank you Mass Effectors for giving me hope that ME3 can be fixed.
[/quote]

I don't know why so many people think it wasn't done on purpose. Some of the evidence could be coincidental, but stuff like the growl when Anderson distracts Shepard, the occasional ringing and buzzing sounds through the game, Shepard's eyes turning like TIM's, ect. had to have been done on purpose. Hell, even the model for the control option is actually labeled as the "bad" choice in the internal files! There's no way they didn't intend this.

[quote]T16skyhopp wrote...

I'm tired of people coming in here and saying that we're "grasping at straws". Ugh. They're "EMERGENCY. INDUCTION. PORTS." Get it right, people![/quote]

If darkspawn were meme's, this series would be a broodmother. When the Rannoch Reaper oddly using Sovereign's voice opens the conversation by saying "Shepard." I half expected Shepard to go, "Nazara."

[CitadelSurfer]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

CitadelSurfer wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Redbelle wrote...

All evidence for indoc theory seems circumstantial but it's piling up. From a certain perspective it seems a genius move by Bioware to get players to understand the nature of indoctrination instead of just choosing the needed responses on the conversation wheel to break or succumb to it's hold. However from my viewpoint the Indoc theory will only play out if Bioware release an ending that confirms all the theories and speculation.

A few points I've not read anywhere that may contribute to the discussion.

Firstly: Why is the Synthesis ending green? The decision wheel deals with the blue red and grey. Each colour linking to good bad or neutral. Green has thus far not appeared.... or has it?

Looking back to project overlord David i.e. the guy strapped to the control frame with his eyes held open ala Clockwork orange interfaced with the Geth resulting in the colour green being displayed in their eyepiece and as a data surge out the body of a destoyed Geth platform. David, though he was insane at the time, was ultimately the one who directed the Geth in that instance, thereby removing the Geth's free will as was the projects intention.

Second: In the 1st dream sequence the camera holds it's view on a system of branches. However before the camera pans down to reveal the tree's I was thinking if those branches were nerves or represented blood vessels in the brain. It is only after the pan that we are given the context that they branches connected to trees. Given that the sequence is a dream and if Shepard is being indocrinated the close up of the branches may imply we are in Shepard's mind. Later on when the black smoke is being released this could further imply an active assualt by the reapers on his perceptions of what is right and wrong.

Lastly: The ending whereby all the mass relays are destroyed shared a common theme with the above hypothesis of the branches representing Shep's mind. One relay fires the beam, From there two relays fire the beam, then four and so on in the same way that a single branch will grow out to become two. If indoc theory holds then the mass relays could be representations of Sheps mind overcoming or giving in to the Reapers based on the choices the player makes.

I hope Bioware have just expanded our understanding of the Reapers most dangerous weapon in their arsenal and given us time to reflect on what it is to be indoctrinated. It's one thing to watch others be indoctrinated but for Shepard to go through it himself sheds new light on old characters like Saren.

Nice comparision with the Relays and the Brain, never thought of it that way.

But yes if this entire theory is correct Bioware has created the most intense and realistic depiction of how Indoctrination works, far more effectful and frightening than any explanation could be because we the gamer were the ones who were fooled and succumbed to it, not just Shepard.

If true, Bioware have completely changed the way people think about the gaming medium in how we percieve story and character development. Which is pretty scary.  Truly raised the bar by indoctrinating so many of us.

And also props to 
Raistlin Majare 1992 for the brain analogy. Very interesting indeed! 

I was complimenting RedBelle for that brain thing as it is him who posted the part comparing the Relays firing to Sheaprds Mind, it is not my idea.

Also Salarian STG team in Denmark reporting in. Managed to scavenge a few heat sinks and other supplies from an abandoned supply station and heading towards the outskirts of Coopenhagen. Suprsingly little Reaper activity and it is keeping us on the edge.

I do apologise props to 
RedBelle then! I'm still getting used to how forums work. I rarely post anything on here but with this ending being so interesting I have ended up living here for the past few days!

I just can't wait any longer hurry up Bioware! 

[Lakeshow1986]

I agree that the mass relays represent Shepard's mind being purged of the reapers, taken over or flat out destroyed!

The reason the Destroy option is the only option with low EMS is that the reapers just simply kill Shepard off. They no longer perceive him as a threat, with the inability to rally the galaxy so are not interested and simply kill him. This is represented by earth getting torched.

The higher the EMS, the more the reapers deem you valuable enough to indoctrinate. Then with high enough EMS you finally gain the ability to break free of their control.

Just my $0.02

[Red Starblazer]

CitadelSurfer wrote...

I do apologise props to 
RedBelle then! I'm still getting used to how forums work. I rarely post anything on here but with this ending being so interesting I have ended up living here for the past few days!

I just can't wait any longer hurry up Bioware! 

Join the club. See that corner over there..no not that one, that ONE. Yeah, I've been nesting over there. I got my futon, a mini fridge, a game of travel scrabble and my lightsaber should anyone try to steal one of my pillows.

I was thinking about installing a soda fountain and some bean bag chairs. I think we are gonna be here for awhle..

[Icinix]

Is this part of the conduit sitting on the ground? Maybe Harbinger actually destroyed the conduit and thats what knocked Shep out - not the beam?


http://www.youtube.c..._GkEBck#t=1155s 

[byne]

Well, since people seem to be talking about the Relays in the end representing Shep's brain, I figure I'll quote something I said nearly a hundred pages back:

byne wrote...

Wait wait wait, hold everything.

Can someone verify if the chain reaction starts in the Viper system or not?

Because, I have seen multiple people (myself included) say they believe that at the end, the galaxy is representative of the neural pathways in Shep's brain, with red being the brain rejecting indoctrination, and blue/green accepting it.

If the chain reaction does in fact start in the Viper nebula, we could assume that Shep's brain perceives that zone of space as being where indoctrination started (by being unconscious near Object Rho for two days), hence why the chain reaction of rejection/acceptance would start there.

I think I just blew my own mind.

We did in fact verify that it seems that the chain reaction starts in the Viper Nebula, which makes no sense, because the only Relay in that system was the Alpha Relay, which we destroyed.

[CitadelSurfer]

Red Starblazer wrote...

CitadelSurfer wrote...

I do apologise props to 
RedBelle then! I'm still getting used to how forums work. I rarely post anything on here but with this ending being so interesting I have ended up living here for the past few days!

I just can't wait any longer hurry up Bioware! 

Join the club. See that corner over there..no not that one, that ONE. Yeah, I've been nesting over there. I got my futon, a mini fridge, a game of travel scrabble and my lightsaber should anyone try to steal one of my pillows.

I was thinking about installing a soda fountain and some bean bag chairs. I think we are gonna be here for awhle..

Can I join your corner? Scrabble and a beer sounds too good  

I just wish a lot more threads were as friendly as this one. The other major thread is just everyone ****ing and whining about the ending as they have been taking it at face value. If the indoc theory is what they wanted all along, it is a feat of gaming writing and because of that, and this amazing discussion that is being had with us fans, I would be willing to hand over my money for the ending part 2! 

[Hacedor1566]

Amh, I don't know if it's important, but I'm replaying the game and, every time Shepard wakes up from her dreams, do the same *GASP* than the "London awake" after destruction ending.

[Earthborn_Shepard]

byne wrote...

Well, since people seem to be talking about the Relays in the end representing Shep's brain, I figure I'll quote something I said nearly a hundred pages back:

byne wrote...

Wait wait wait, hold everything.

Can someone verify if the chain reaction starts in the Viper system or not?

Because, I have seen multiple people (myself included) say they believe that at the end, the galaxy is representative of the neural pathways in Shep's brain, with red being the brain rejecting indoctrination, and blue/green accepting it.

If the chain reaction does in fact start in the Viper nebula, we could assume that Shep's brain perceives that zone of space as being where indoctrination started (by being unconscious near Object Rho for two days), hence why the chain reaction of rejection/acceptance would start there.

I think I just blew my own mind.

We did in fact verify that it seems that the chain reaction starts in the Viper Nebula, which makes no sense, because the only Relay in that system was the Alpha Relay, which we destroyed.

Now.. that's EXTREMELY interesting! Either very good evidence or a giant ****up.

[Red Starblazer]

CitadelSurfer wrote...

Red Starblazer wrote...

CitadelSurfer wrote...

I do apologise props to 
RedBelle then! I'm still getting used to how forums work. I rarely post anything on here but with this ending being so interesting I have ended up living here for the past few days!

I just can't wait any longer hurry up Bioware! 

Join the club. See that corner over there..no not that one, that ONE. Yeah, I've been nesting over there. I got my futon, a mini fridge, a game of travel scrabble and my lightsaber should anypony try to steal one of my pillows.

I was thinking about installing a soda fountain and some bean bag chairs. I think we are gonna be here for awhle..

Can I join your corner? Scrabble and a beer sounds too good  

I just wish a lot more threads were as friendly as this one. The other major thread is just everypony ****ing and whining about the ending as they have been taking it at face value. If the indoc theory is what they wanted all along, it is a feat of gaming writing and because of that, and this amazing discussion that is being had with us fans, I would be willing to hoof over my bits for the ending part 2! 

By all means! I love company. And this thread is super friendly, I've been here since page one (really). And I have more than Travel Scrabble. You see that back pack over there? I borrowed Hermoine's Extension Curse. I have tons of stuff.

Watch. "Accio Risk!"

*Risk boardgame pops out of bag*

I call blue!

[Cpt_Hook]

Just wondering, has anyone considered, that if we are indoctrinated it will not simply go away by itself? Maybe BW is paying close attention to the forum and social media and is waiting for the right connections to be discovered. Maybe we have to resist the indoctrination in this way. Maybe we are playing the game right now…

[Wobba]

I have just read the initial few pages on this huge thread.

I completed ME3 2 days ago and felt...sad, at a loss...and incomplete. I initially chose the Synergie option. At the end, I had that powerful feeling you get when you finally put down the last book in an epic saga.

Unlike the ending to a good book, I did feel there were many unanswered questions, and it seemed all a bit...strange...but I begrudginly accepted that this was the end of the main story of Shepard and the Reapers, however strange an end it seemed.

At the time I put the strangeness down to the fact that 'my' Commander Shepherd had in effect entered an 'alien landscape' and the Universe had been sublty altered somehow with the activation of the Crucible, messing with my perception, thus somehow allowing the changes to the Galaxy and the bilologicals/synthetics the StarChild spoke of (it said it was able to do things it was not able too before with the addition of the Crucible).

However, having read the theory here and seen the pictures I am having second thoughts. I also spotted the 1M1 symbol, I also felt it was dreamy...the enemies died so easily when approacing the beam reinforced this feeling, the gun seemed to suddenly have gained infinite thermal clips too...I don't remember speccing that upgrade...why the hell was the father figure for Shepard, Anderson, up in the Citadel of all people?

I would say that the bodies seen all around the beam, before you enter it on Earth, they are perhaps the biological material the Reapers are sending up to the Citadel, so can be explained.

I could go on and on, but I guess most of my ideas have been said before.

What I do know though, this thread has given me a glimmer of hope and helped remove the cloud of loss that's been surrounding me since playing the end of ME3. Perhaps it IS some kind of hallucination. If this is a super-plot by Bioware...wow. MORE PLEASE!

All three endings were indeed a bitterwseet finale to what has been an awesome experience over the years. Most of us posting here have invested a lot of time, effort (and I daresay emotional currency) into our Commander Shepards, LR's and squads. It's hard to let go. I guess this is perhaps the sacrifice we as players have to make.

If this is not the end though...and Shepard, EDI, Geth etc do not have to be sacrificed (depending on the choice you make or if it was all a dream sequence) then Bioware: COUNT ME IN FOR THE NEXT SAGA!

[CitadelSurfer]

Red Starblazer wrote...

CitadelSurfer wrote...

Red Starblazer wrote...

CitadelSurfer wrote...

I do apologise props to 
RedBelle then! I'm still getting used to how forums work. I rarely post anything on here but with this ending being so interesting I have ended up living here for the past few days!

I just can't wait any longer hurry up Bioware! 

Join the club. See that corner over there..no not that one, that ONE. Yeah, I've been nesting over there. I got my futon, a mini fridge, a game of travel scrabble and my lightsaber should anypony try to steal one of my pillows.

I was thinking about installing a soda fountain and some bean bag chairs. I think we are gonna be here for awhle..

Can I join your corner? Scrabble and a beer sounds too good  

I just wish a lot more threads were as friendly as this one. The other major thread is just everypony ****ing and whining about the ending as they have been taking it at face value. If the indoc theory is what they wanted all along, it is a feat of gaming writing and because of that, and this amazing discussion that is being had with us fans, I would be willing to hoof over my bits for the ending part 2! 

By all means! I love company. And this thread is super friendly, I've been here since page one (really). And I have more than Travel Scrabble. You see that back pack over there? I borrowed Hermoine's Extension Curse. I have tons of stuff.

Watch. "Accio Risk!"

*Risk boardgame pops out of bag*

I call blue!

Haha! Oh my word I remember playing Risk back in the day. :') Jesus I feel old! What that guy said above has got me even more interested in the brain neural theory! If that is where the Viper system is where Shepard was knocked out by object rho then that is very compelling evidence. If someone has an image if the galaxy map with that system that would be great to post on here?