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[nyrocron]

Icinix wrote...

I started writing them all down - but got distracted and lost the notes...but how many times through ME3 does it constantly remind you there is hope.

That there is a way out of the darkness.

Even Liara's vision right at the end is you and her in the darkness, with a light getting closer.

The whole game is telling you to keep hope no matter what. BioWare even came out on their twitter feeds and said - have faith.

I honestly believe the ending is not here yet - what we got was cobbled together quick smart to look like a real ending (the normandy crash, the reuse and recolouring of the videos etc) - with the real ending to come when we had all given up.

I think (or at least hope) that this is true. The first tweets and reactions really pointed towards that.
Also I think it will be one or two weeks from now, most likely at PAX. Remember that it's only been out for some days in some regions and they specifically said that they want more players to finish it before explaining.

[Cpt_Hook]

Capeo wrote...

All of you clearly weren't in the PR thread last night, huh? Jessica was talking with us. These ARE the endings people. There is no indoctrination. This cult can disband.

It seems BW is working on something to better explain the ending but this is the ending. It's been her job to collect questions people have about the ending. There's nothing beyond it. You can drop the conspiracy claptrap.

you got a link for that?
would like to read it myself

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Capeo wrote...

All of you clearly weren't in the PR thread last night, huh? Jessica was talking with us. These ARE the endings people. There is no indoctrination. This cult can disband.

It seems BW is working on something to better explain the ending but this is the ending. It's been her job to collect questions people have about the ending. There's nothing beyond it. You can drop the conspiracy claptrap.

Oh really? Some quotes and such would be really nice, because with the amount of people in this Thread following and analyzing every quote coming from Bioware I am much more liable to believe the people here.

Thank you.

[CitadelSurfer]

Capeo wrote...

All of you clearly weren't in the PR thread last night, huh? Jessica was talking with us. These ARE the endings people. There is no indoctrination. This cult can disband.

It seems BW is working on something to better explain the ending but this is the ending. It's been her job to collect questions people have about the ending. There's nothing beyond it. You can drop the conspiracy claptrap.

it's not claptrap. People who believe the ending is how it ends are the people who were fooled. It is so obvious. The ending makes no sense what so ever. Story wise, time wise, logistics wise. It's borderline retarded to be honest. But the fact we all got so emotionally attached at the end and was twisted into it. Only after looking outside the box that it is all so obvious. From the very first mass effect to this one. 

This could well be the ending. But we are just interpreting the ending the way it was clearly supposed to be interpreted to get people talking.

They will expand. Given the publicity this has got if they were to expand on this theory, they would get **** loads of dollar. Would probably be their best DLC to date.

You clearly have given up hope dude! 

Also Jessica was sending out proper hints to this theory too! And even cryptic messages! She is playing both sides as she legally can't say anything. So what she says you got to take with a pinch of salt mate.

[Icinix]

Capeo wrote...

All of you clearly weren't in the PR thread last night, huh? Jessica was talking with us. These ARE the endings people. There is no indoctrination. This cult can disband.

It seems BW is working on something to better explain the ending but this is the ending. It's been her job to collect questions people have about the ending. There's nothing beyond it. You can drop the conspiracy claptrap.

Shes still preaching patience and merely saying to stop jumpng to crazy PR/ Damage Controls speculation. In fact - her conversation was surprising devoid of her commenting on the endings - beyond her commenting she couldn't comment yet.

[nyrocron]

Could anyone please link to said thread? Thanks.

[Icinix]

nyrocron wrote...

Could anyone please link to said thread? Thanks.

Just Dev / Mod posts.

http://social.biowar...x/10084349&lf=8 

[Interslice]

ZajoE38 wrote...

This is the most sophisticated ending ever seen in game.. but, I still want some closure. What happened when Shep get rid of indoctrination and woke up under the rock. What was next? How exactly they defeated the Reapers? What was happening while Shep was "dreaming"

Yeah, I mean, if the endgame really IS all an indoctrination sequence, wouldn't the war still technically be going on? I mean, that is, unless Shepard's indoctrination is somehow linked to the fate of the Reapers...

[Icinix]

Interslice wrote...

ZajoE38 wrote...

This is the most sophisticated ending ever seen in game.. but, I still want some closure. What happened when Shep get rid of indoctrination and woke up under the rock. What was next? How exactly they defeated the Reapers? What was happening while Shep was "dreaming"

Yeah, I mean, if the endgame really IS all an indoctrination sequence, wouldn't the war still technically be going on? I mean, that is, unless Shepard's indoctrination is somehow linked to the fate of the Reapers...

Which is exactly why a lot of people believe thee is more to come.

If they pull it off it will be one of the most incredible things done in computing game history.

Indoctrinate the gamer themselves. Its far fetched, its crazy, its insane and it makes the people who believe look like raving lunatics....

...but once again, that might just be the point.

[Capeo]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Capeo wrote...

All of you clearly weren't in the PR thread last night, huh? Jessica was talking with us. These ARE the endings people. There is no indoctrination. This cult can disband.

It seems BW is working on something to better explain the ending but this is the ending. It's been her job to collect questions people have about the ending. There's nothing beyond it. You can drop the conspiracy claptrap.

Oh really? Some quotes and such would be really nice, because with the amount of people in this Thread following and analyzing every quote coming from Bioware I am much more liable to believe the people here.

Thank you.

Starts on page 313 of the PR Damage control thread and goes on for many pages.  

Obviously "the people here" don't even realize when there's a Bioware employee on the boards.

They're montioring how many people have finished the game.  When it reaches a certain threshhold they'll try to clarify the ending.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Icinix wrote...

Interslice wrote...

ZajoE38 wrote...

This is the most sophisticated ending ever seen in game.. but, I still want some closure. What happened when Shep get rid of indoctrination and woke up under the rock. What was next? How exactly they defeated the Reapers? What was happening while Shep was "dreaming"

Yeah, I mean, if the endgame really IS all an indoctrination sequence, wouldn't the war still technically be going on? I mean, that is, unless Shepard's indoctrination is somehow linked to the fate of the Reapers...

Which is exactly why a lot of people believe thee is more to come.

If they pull it off it will be one of the most incredible things done in computing game history.

Indoctrinate the gamer themselves. Its far fetched, its crazy, its insane and it makes the people who believe look like raving lunatics....

...but once again, that might just be the point.

Couldnt have put it better myself. We must look pretty crazy to all those taking the ending at face value

But then again idd rather be crazy and hopeful than sane and without hope

[Capeo]

Icinix wrote...

Capeo wrote...

All of you clearly weren't in the PR thread last night, huh? Jessica was talking with us. These ARE the endings people. There is no indoctrination. This cult can disband.

It seems BW is working on something to better explain the ending but this is the ending. It's been her job to collect questions people have about the ending. There's nothing beyond it. You can drop the conspiracy claptrap.

Shes still preaching patience and merely saying to stop jumpng to crazy PR/ Damage Controls speculation. In fact - her conversation was surprising devoid of her commenting on the endings - beyond her commenting she couldn't comment yet.

BS.  She outright said BW thinks most people loved "the ending".  She says after a certain threshhold of players finish the BW will try to clarify "the ending".  She says she disagrees with the movement trying to change "the ending".  She says she's collecting things people didn't understand about "the ending" so the team can clarify "the ending".  And much more.  

Man, the delusion runs deep in this thread.

Modifié par Capeo, 21 mars 2012 - 01:26 .

[Macross]

Cpt_Hook wrote...

Just wondering, has anyone considered, that if we are indoctrinated it will not simply go away by itself? Maybe BW is paying close attention to the forum and social media and is waiting for the right connections to be discovered. Maybe we have to resist the indoctrination in this way. Maybe we are playing the game right now…

So...what you're saying is... we have to someone... blow up BSN?

[greywardencommander]

 She doesn't disprove it at all she hints that they're working on a way to allow everyone to be happy, EA, Bioware, the fans that like the ending and those that don't. In theory that could still involve having Shepard wake up prior to reaching the beam and having a 'real ending', those that don't like the ending get one, those that like the ending don't have to play. Bioware don't have to rewrite anything or look bad admitting they got it wrong, EA probably make money off of DLC (ending or otherwise because everythings hunkydory)

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Thermorium wrote...

Nadtsat wrote...

Nithe wrote...

cutegigi wrote...

please forgive me for asking a very naive question, but can please someone explain to me why there are logistics that need to be involved when we are only talking an answer to a question ??

Tis' a fair question, I will admit.

Yes, one I wouldn't mind having an answer for.
But sometimes, I think one must resort to "42"

By no means an expert on this, but i think that we're not just talking about "an answer to a question" here. 
If this is to be handled correctly, than things need to be done correctly. How do you make sure things are handled correctly? You plan meetings, and start talking. And you need to do lots of talking and plan lots of meeting to make sure this is resolved in a satisfactory way for the majority of people involved. EA needs to be ok with it, bioware need to be ok with it, the fans who disliked the ending have to like it, and you don't want to disenfranchise people who liked the ending.

Just think about it for a bit, it takes a lot more effort than you'd think on first glance.

THIS. And that's all I can say on the matter 

Modifié par greywardencommander, 21 mars 2012 - 01:31 .

[CitadelSurfer]

Capeo wrote...

Icinix wrote...

Capeo wrote...

All of you clearly weren't in the PR thread last night, huh? Jessica was talking with us. These ARE the endings people. There is no indoctrination. This cult can disband.

It seems BW is working on something to better explain the ending but this is the ending. It's been her job to collect questions people have about the ending. There's nothing beyond it. You can drop the conspiracy claptrap.

Shes still preaching patience and merely saying to stop jumpng to crazy PR/ Damage Controls speculation. In fact - her conversation was surprising devoid of her commenting on the endings - beyond her commenting she couldn't comment yet.

BS.  She outright said BW thinks most people loved "the ending".  She says after a certain threshhold of players finish the BW will try to clarify "the ending".  She says she disagrees with the movement trying to change "the ending".  She says she's collecting things people didn't understand about "the ending" so the team can clarify "the ending".  And much more.  

Man, the delusion runs deep in this thread.

Oh my word. You are indoctrinated. Seriously all of the quotes you have stated could clearly be in favour of the indoctrination?!!!!!! She could clear things up soon by saying " hey you were all fooled and shep was indoctrinated" .

They are more likely to say that when they announce something than say "sorry we ****ed up the writing and have no answer for all the gigantic plot holes"

[Capeo]

greywardencommander wrote...

 She doesn't disprove it at all she hints that they're working on a way to allow everyone to be happy, EA, Bioware, the fans that like the ending and those that don't

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Thermorium wrote...

Nadtsat wrote...

Nithe wrote...

cutegigi wrote...

please forgive me for asking a very naive question, but can please someone explain to me why there are logistics that need to be involved when we are only talking an answer to a question ??

Tis' a fair question, I will admit.

Yes, one I wouldn't mind having an answer for.
But sometimes, I think one must resort to "42"

By no means an expert on this, but i think that we're not just talking about "an answer to a question" here. 
If this is to be handled correctly, than things need to be done correctly. How do you make sure things are handled correctly? You plan meetings, and start talking. And you need to do lots of talking and plan lots of meeting to make sure this is resolved in a satisfactory way for the majority of people involved. EA needs to be ok with it, bioware need to be ok with it, the fans who disliked the ending have to like it, and you don't want to disenfranchise people who liked the ending.

Just think about it for a bit, it takes a lot more effort than you'd think on first glance.

THIS. And that's all I can say on the matter 

WTF?  What don't you get about "THE ENDING".  Read all her posts.  This IS the ending.  At most they're figuring out how to clarify it.  Do you think she spend her first giant post defending the ending and saying how BW is sure that the vast majority of players like the ending as is, if the plan was to invalidate that ending?  

Wow, crazy people are crazy.

[Kazalord2]

Oh god, my dream is ruined now. But at least it will be resolved:'(

[Jaii der Herr]

Capeo wrote...

greywardencommander wrote...

 She doesn't disprove it at all she hints that they're working on a way to allow everyone to be happy, EA, Bioware, the fans that like the ending and those that don't

Jessica MerizanJoined: 2011-09-14
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Thermorium wrote...

Nadtsat wrote...

Nithe wrote...

cutegigi wrote...

please forgive me for asking a very naive question, but can please someone explain to me why there are logistics that need to be involved when we are only talking an answer to a question ??

Tis' a fair question, I will admit.

Yes, one I wouldn't mind having an answer for.
But sometimes, I think one must resort to "42"

By no means an expert on this, but i think that we're not just talking about "an answer to a question" here. 
If this is to be handled correctly, than things need to be done correctly. How do you make sure things are handled correctly? You plan meetings, and start talking. And you need to do lots of talking and plan lots of meeting to make sure this is resolved in a satisfactory way for the majority of people involved. EA needs to be ok with it, bioware need to be ok with it, the fans who disliked the ending have to like it, and you don't want to disenfranchise people who liked the ending.

Just think about it for a bit, it takes a lot more effort than you'd think on first glance.

THIS. And that's all I can say on the matter 

WTF?  What don't you get about "THE ENDING".  Read all her posts.  This IS the ending.  At most they're figuring out how to clarify it.  Do you think she spend her first giant post defending the ending and saying how BW is sure that the vast majority of players like the ending as is, if the plan was to invalidate that ending?  

Wow, crazy people are crazy.

Well, there is no problem, with this beeing the ending. Perhaps the are figuring out, how to clarify to everyone, that Shepard is fighting with indoctrination. Think about it.

[lex0r11]

gee, someone is really angry about something.

[Interslice]

Icinix wrote...

Interslice wrote...

ZajoE38 wrote...

This is the most sophisticated ending ever seen in game.. but, I still want some closure. What happened when Shep get rid of indoctrination and woke up under the rock. What was next? How exactly they defeated the Reapers? What was happening while Shep was "dreaming"

Yeah, I mean, if the endgame really IS all an indoctrination sequence, wouldn't the war still technically be going on? I mean, that is, unless Shepard's indoctrination is somehow linked to the fate of the Reapers...

Which is exactly why a lot of people believe thee is more to come.

If they pull it off it will be one of the most incredible things done in computing game history.

Indoctrinate the gamer themselves. Its far fetched, its crazy, its insane and it makes the people who believe look like raving lunatics....

...but once again, that might just be the point.

Oh, I whole-heartedly agree. With the explanation/theory provided, it's the best ending ever created.

My only concern is that little more explanation could have, and probably should have, been provided. They may have been a little TOO subtle. Admittedly, I was also confused at the ending when I first played and I can see any casual gamer missing all of these details. But on the other hand, it must have been exciting for the more dedicated players to connect the dots and figure it out on their own. I guess now that the game is out, Bioware/EA can't exactly just announce what the end was about because it ruins the end for those people who haven't played it yet. But yeah, we'll have to see.

[Spectre-61]

If that is really the ending (wich I still don't believe one bit), BW should have a damn good explanation for this ending!

[xXdmndmnXx]

nyrocron wrote...

Icinix wrote...

I started writing them all down - but got distracted and lost the notes...but how many times through ME3 does it constantly remind you there is hope.

That there is a way out of the darkness.

Even Liara's vision right at the end is you and her in the darkness, with a light getting closer.

The whole game is telling you to keep hope no matter what. BioWare even came out on their twitter feeds and said - have faith.

I honestly believe the ending is not here yet - what we got was cobbled together quick smart to look like a real ending (the normandy crash, the reuse and recolouring of the videos etc) - with the real ending to come when we had all given up.

I think (or at least hope) that this is true. The first tweets and reactions really pointed towards that.
Also I think it will be one or two weeks from now, most likely at PAX. Remember that it's only been out for some days in some regions and they specifically said that they want more players to finish it before explaining.

Waiting for the hopefull announcement at PAX then.

I must say at first i just thought the Indoctrination Theory was just that, a theory. But going through countless pages and posts and videos of evidence proving it, i must say i am a strong believer now, everything just makes sense, the two warring sides of Shep's mind, the black 'tentacles' the Rachni queen spoke of when getting indoctrinated, Shep bleeding at the same spot he shot Anderson, a background growl or such everytime Shep rejects Indoctrination and the trees behind Shep after he woke up after being shot down by Harbinger and much more. I believe in Indoctrination and i furthermore believe in Bioware that there is more to come, including a proper ending in whatever way, i'll take it.

[Kazalord2]

This is definitely something big people... Even EA itself ( Origin ) started refunding players !

[greywardencommander]

Capeo wrote...

greywardencommander wrote...

 She doesn't disprove it at all she hints that they're working on a way to allow everyone to be happy, EA, Bioware, the fans that like the ending and those that don't

Jessica MerizanJoined: 2011-09-14
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Thermorium wrote...

Nadtsat wrote...

Nithe wrote...

cutegigi wrote...

please forgive me for asking a very naive question, but can please someone explain to me why there are logistics that need to be involved when we are only talking an answer to a question ??

Tis' a fair question, I will admit.

Yes, one I wouldn't mind having an answer for.
But sometimes, I think one must resort to "42"

By no means an expert on this, but i think that we're not just talking about "an answer to a question" here. 
If this is to be handled correctly, than things need to be done correctly. How do you make sure things are handled correctly? You plan meetings, and start talking. And you need to do lots of talking and plan lots of meeting to make sure this is resolved in a satisfactory way for the majority of people involved. EA needs to be ok with it, bioware need to be ok with it, the fans who disliked the ending have to like it, and you don't want to disenfranchise people who liked the ending.

Just think about it for a bit, it takes a lot more effort than you'd think on first glance.

THIS. And that's all I can say on the matter 

WTF?  What don't you get about "THE ENDING".  Read all her posts.  This IS the ending.  At most they're figuring out how to clarify it.  Do you think she spend her first giant post defending the ending and saying how BW is sure that the vast majority of players like the ending as is, if the plan was to invalidate that ending?  

Wow, crazy people are crazy.

The ending as it is I 'get', you sacrifice everything, even in the destroy option the galaxy to end the cycle blah blah blah. I'm fine with Shepard dying for the greater good, heck i'm even fine with the galaxy but the ending just throws in a minute of here's the bad guy you can't question him or argue with him, choose your favourite colour - awful writing regardless.

It just flies in the face of everything they promised no A, B, C ending (instead a R, G, B ending), wildly different endings, no 'canon shoehorned ending' etc. It goes against Shepard the character who always finds an option even when there was none, it goes against the whole premise of their series 'hope' and against their own lore and with gaping plotholes that aren't explained.

How even with FTL are they able to outrun the explosion in less than a few minutes, it's impossible, someone's already done the maths on the forums. How in the Shepard breathing easter egg is he breathing he just got blown up and entered the atmosphere something that had killed him previously. How did my squad mates who were with me and should be dead alive on the Normandy. Regardless of IDT, the endings in many ways make no sense even if the overarcing theme of saving the galaxy at all costs does.

I'm not going to abandon Bioware and never buy one of their games or unsubscribe from swtor but it's sure going to make me think i'll wait with future games to see if it's worthwhile whereas before I'd buy a Bioware game, often on day one because I knew what i'd be getting - an epic, thought out story, something ME is without the ending.

So long story short yes in many ways as I said I need the ending explained to me.

Modifié par greywardencommander, 21 mars 2012 - 01:49 .

[Excl]

Uh ... also, has anybody pointed out that April 1st is just around the corner? Could the ending just be the biggest April Fools prank ever pulled off?

Suprise! You were indocrinated and the endings weren't real! APRIL FOOLS!